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In reply to the discussion: Why is it we forced "de-nazification" on Germany but not the equivalent on Confederates? [View all]BumRushDaShow
(126,616 posts)82. "There were not "separate" schools, restrooms, water fountains, seats a diner counters"
Cotton Club in New York City
And the School District of Philadelphia (pre-Brown v Board of Ed.) -
And at that time in the early '50s, my mother and her friends - all of whom had degrees in secondary education, were not allowed to teach at the secondary level - i.e, high schools, until AFTER Brown vs Board. This is something that my mother railed against for years. Some of her friends remained in elementary schools until retirement, although one bucked it and eventually became a (regional) District Superintendent before retirement.
And the School District of Philadelphia (pre-Brown v Board of Ed.) -
In the early 20th century, Philadelphia had a higher percentage of blacks in its public schools than any other big city. And the proportion grew steadily - from 5.3 percent in 1910 to 47 percent in 1960.
In part, this was because the city has long housed two separate systems. In 1960, the heyday of urban Catholicism, 52 percent of white children went to parochial schools, but just 8 percent of black students did.
But the public schools were also segregated, because officials simply ignored the 1881 state law outlawing discrimination in education. In 1908, School Superintendent Martin Brumbaugh created several all-black elementary schools to employ black teachers, who were prohibited from teaching white students. Brumbaugh, who later became governor, had also concluded that black students were unfit to learn an academic curriculum.
"The difference between Philadelphia and the Southern states," said V.P. Franklin, a historian who wrote a book called The Education of Black Philadelphia, "is that since it was against the law . . . to segregate students, they segregated the teachers. So a form of de jure segregation was maintained."
http://articles.philly.com/2004-07-11/news/25371735_1_black-teachers-black-students-black-children
In part, this was because the city has long housed two separate systems. In 1960, the heyday of urban Catholicism, 52 percent of white children went to parochial schools, but just 8 percent of black students did.
But the public schools were also segregated, because officials simply ignored the 1881 state law outlawing discrimination in education. In 1908, School Superintendent Martin Brumbaugh created several all-black elementary schools to employ black teachers, who were prohibited from teaching white students. Brumbaugh, who later became governor, had also concluded that black students were unfit to learn an academic curriculum.
"The difference between Philadelphia and the Southern states," said V.P. Franklin, a historian who wrote a book called The Education of Black Philadelphia, "is that since it was against the law . . . to segregate students, they segregated the teachers. So a form of de jure segregation was maintained."
http://articles.philly.com/2004-07-11/news/25371735_1_black-teachers-black-students-black-children
And at that time in the early '50s, my mother and her friends - all of whom had degrees in secondary education, were not allowed to teach at the secondary level - i.e, high schools, until AFTER Brown vs Board. This is something that my mother railed against for years. Some of her friends remained in elementary schools until retirement, although one bucked it and eventually became a (regional) District Superintendent before retirement.
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Why is it we forced "de-nazification" on Germany but not the equivalent on Confederates? [View all]
yurbud
Jun 2015
OP
The fact that they are slave owners, and when you commit open rebellion and commit human rights
ncjustice80
Jun 2015
#111
*The four days of the 1863 New York City Draft Riots, the largest civil insurrection
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#53
Legal slavery existed in all of the 13 original colonies, and after we became an independent country
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#62
That's something I've never heard or considered. Even if the South had won Gettysburg, and thank
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#73
Lee's forces were extremely depleted and in no way could have carried on into PA and NY even
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#100
This is true, Dr. King called Chicago the most segregated city in the US.
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#55
Absolutely. My grandfather was principal of an all black Chicago grammar school in the 1940's
hedda_foil
Jun 2015
#123
Your refusal to read, and learn the truth will not serve you well in life. And we're being nice
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#66
Black people like Sammy Davis Jr. the entertainer & singer Dorothy Dandridge couldn't stay in
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#47
"There were not "separate" schools, restrooms, water fountains, seats a diner counters"
BumRushDaShow
Jun 2015
#82
Google "sundown towns." Plenty of them were in states north of the Mason-Dixon lines.
raccoon
Jun 2015
#85
sharecropping was arguably better for planters. Former slaves ended up OWING them money.
yurbud
Jun 2015
#23
This country was build on the back of black slaves and the graves of Native Americans.
Rex
Jun 2015
#9
Indeed, the Atlantic Coast Slavocracy operated 300 years from New England to Brazil, making
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#49
At what point did the forced labor begin? It reach 20% of the German labor force
HereSince1628
Jun 2015
#14
Correct. Slavs considered inferior were to be worked as a Nazi slave underclass like serfs in
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#45
Eastern Europe and Russia were to be 'cleared out' for Lebensraum, space for white
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#50
For sure, between the laxness towards Nazis by Allies when Russia started becoming a threat,
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#63
Eh, it';s where they originallyt came from, and I wouldn't want to dump toxic trash in Mexico.
ncjustice80
Jun 2015
#118
An excellent book by Jay Winik, "April 1865: The Month that Saved America" . . .
Journeyman
Jun 2015
#15
My straight up, walking in blind, off the top of my head answer is: To avoid Civil War II.
Iggo
Jun 2015
#18
It would be tough to have Civil War II if the leaders of the South were in prison or dead.
yurbud
Jun 2015
#117
The kkk did recover after Grant. they were huge by the 1910's and 20's. But to answer your question
craigmatic
Jun 2015
#30
Would American blacks be better off today if a harsher policy had been followed?
Jim Lane
Jun 2015
#39
So you let loose Sherman, burn every Confed city to the ground, and push the traitors into the sea.
ncjustice80
Jun 2015
#60
The Civil War was fought "brother against brother" and the goal after the CW was to
merrily
Jun 2015
#76
You're thinking of voiding the Confederate debt as an amelioration for the south
Yupster
Jun 2015
#90
I'm thinking of what the 14th Amendment to which you directed my attention clearly says.
merrily
Jun 2015
#91
You should consider putting the information in your posts here into a separate OP. There are many
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#104
Radical reconstruction was pretty radical while it lasted -- MS had the first black Senator
Recursion
Jun 2015
#84
Remember that all of these me served together for years in a very small army.
oneshooter
Jun 2015
#105
We tried but after Grant the anti-reconstruction coalition won and undid those efforts.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
#94
The analogy with the catastrophe of de-Baathisation in Iraq is just as sound. N.T.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jun 2015
#106