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5. Don't blame Lincoln. Blame Andrew Johnson, who did very little
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jun 2015

during the crucial years just after the shooting stopped, and John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Abraham Lincoln just when the freed slaves needed him most.

http://millercenter.org/president/grant/essays/biography/3

About 70 years difference in time BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #1
Evidently not brutal enough. ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #58
Lincoln was dead Yupster Jun 2015 #67
Why didn't we just nuke everyting south of the mason-dixie line? GummyBearz Jun 2015 #68
On What Legal Basis RobinA Jun 2015 #102
The fact that they are slave owners, and when you commit open rebellion and commit human rights ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #111
We learned from mistakes? eShirl Jun 2015 #2
Agree ann--- Jun 2015 #3
"the south adopted"? former9thward Jun 2015 #4
No, they weren't ann--- Jun 2015 #13
Chicago is the most segregated city in the U.S. former9thward Jun 2015 #17
Not legally ann--- Jun 2015 #19
*The four days of the 1863 New York City Draft Riots, the largest civil insurrection appalachiablue Jun 2015 #53
What does that have to do with it? ann--- Jun 2015 #54
Legal slavery existed in all of the 13 original colonies, and after we became an independent country appalachiablue Jun 2015 #62
Thank you. Apparently that poster doesn't know much about US history. nt raccoon Jun 2015 #86
Quick note of interest Yupster Jun 2015 #69
I thought this was the south's best chance to win the war Yupster Jun 2015 #70
That's something I've never heard or considered. Even if the South had won Gettysburg, and thank appalachiablue Jun 2015 #73
The south wasn't going to win the war by occupying northern cities Yupster Jun 2015 #74
Road net at Gettysburg 1939 Jun 2015 #113
No doubt Longstreet's plan was dangerous Yupster Jun 2015 #114
If Gen Pickett had been successful in his charge, 1939 Jun 2015 #98
Lee's forces were extremely depleted and in no way could have carried on into PA and NY even appalachiablue Jun 2015 #100
You are correct Yupster Jun 2015 #107
You're right Yupster Jun 2015 #108
This is true, Dr. King called Chicago the most segregated city in the US. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #55
It seems that Detroit has that dubious distinction now Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #81
Absolutely. My grandfather was principal of an all black Chicago grammar school in the 1940's hedda_foil Jun 2015 #123
The fuck?!? Go pick up a book on the subject. X_Digger Jun 2015 #38
I did pick up a book - in school ann--- Jun 2015 #43
I guess DU's admin were all educated in the south also? uppityperson Jun 2015 #44
Then go back and read it again. You obviously missed a few pages. X_Digger Jun 2015 #48
Here's another clue ann--- Jun 2015 #56
Your refusal to read, and learn the truth will not serve you well in life. And we're being nice appalachiablue Jun 2015 #66
I don't have to look further than South Boston. X_Digger Jun 2015 #115
Black people like Sammy Davis Jr. the entertainer & singer Dorothy Dandridge couldn't stay in appalachiablue Jun 2015 #47
jim crow was the law of the land, including the north, east and west noiretextatique Jun 2015 #51
Who resisted the Civil Rights Movement? ann--- Jun 2015 #52
my point is: there was resistance all over this country noiretextatique Jun 2015 #75
True, ugly as it is. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #65
"There were not "separate" schools, restrooms, water fountains, seats a diner counters" BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #82
Google "sundown towns." Plenty of them were in states north of the Mason-Dixon lines. raccoon Jun 2015 #85
You seem really upset RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #83
Pointing out that there was segregation in the North is being upset? former9thward Jun 2015 #97
Yes, it was only necessary that the South treat blacks no worse than the North. goldent Jun 2015 #7
sharecropping was arguably better for planters. Former slaves ended up OWING them money. yurbud Jun 2015 #23
Don't blame Lincoln. Blame Andrew Johnson, who did very little ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2015 #5
You know why malaise Jun 2015 #6
This country was build on the back of black slaves and the graves of Native Americans. Rex Jun 2015 #9
Not just Native American graves malaise Jun 2015 #16
Wall St (built by slaves)... HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #77
Indeed, the Atlantic Coast Slavocracy operated 300 years from New England to Brazil, making appalachiablue Jun 2015 #49
The world was a different place in 1863 and 1945. Rex Jun 2015 #8
At what point did the forced labor begin? It reach 20% of the German labor force HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #14
Actually the Nazis did want slaves. ananda Jun 2015 #20
Correct. Slavs considered inferior were to be worked as a Nazi slave underclass like serfs in appalachiablue Jun 2015 #45
Yes. And so the real Nazi part of WWII was fought in the Soviet Union. ananda Jun 2015 #46
Eastern Europe and Russia were to be 'cleared out' for Lebensraum, space for white appalachiablue Jun 2015 #50
The word "slave" comes from Slav NT 1939 Jun 2015 #99
Um.. Significant slave labor jberryhill Jun 2015 #31
The Nazis loved slavery and slave labor and made ample use of it davepc Jun 2015 #35
Umm.. yeah, slave labor in Nazi Germany.. it was a thing. X_Digger Jun 2015 #40
A lot of lives were lost on both sides of that war... kentuck Jun 2015 #10
Why is it we prosecuted their war criminals but not our own? PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #11
Germans weren't Americans. Yes, I know its obvious, but its relevant. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #12
and we did quietly recycle some of the nastiest Nazis. yurbud Jun 2015 #26
Yep. Project Paperclip. hifiguy Jun 2015 #33
For sure, between the laxness towards Nazis by Allies when Russia started becoming a threat, appalachiablue Jun 2015 #63
Confederates aren't Americans either.n/t ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #59
If you believe that then you legitimated their secession. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #95
Actually I just think they gave that up when they turned traitor. ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #109
They weren't from Europe so you couldn't send them back there. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #112
Eh, it';s where they originallyt came from, and I wouldn't want to dump toxic trash in Mexico. ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #118
An excellent book by Jay Winik, "April 1865: The Month that Saved America" . . . Journeyman Jun 2015 #15
I forgot one part of the World War II analogy: the Soviet Union yurbud Jun 2015 #25
And at the same time we needed them. Igel Jun 2015 #28
My straight up, walking in blind, off the top of my head answer is: To avoid Civil War II. Iggo Jun 2015 #18
It would be tough to have Civil War II if the leaders of the South were in prison or dead. yurbud Jun 2015 #117
Jerfferson Davis wanted his trial Yupster Jun 2015 #120
if the charge was treason, he was probably glad they didn't call his bluff. yurbud Jun 2015 #124
I don't think so Yupster Jun 2015 #129
Unenforceable. n/t moondust Jun 2015 #21
R#5 & K n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #22
The First Amendment probably treestar Jun 2015 #24
because anyone with any power always says 'do as i say' HFRN Jun 2015 #27
Because the official war was to keep the union. Igel Jun 2015 #29
+1 Well said. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #71
The kkk did recover after Grant. they were huge by the 1910's and 20's. But to answer your question craigmatic Jun 2015 #30
The new KKK of the 1920's Yupster Jun 2015 #72
I've often wondered the same thing. hifiguy Jun 2015 #32
Absolutely agree. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #127
Jeff Davis wanted guerrilla warfare in 1865 1939 Jun 2015 #34
The horors of guerrilla warfare did fall on the sounterhn population post 1865. davepc Jun 2015 #36
Operation Paperclip. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #37
Would American blacks be better off today if a harsher policy had been followed? Jim Lane Jun 2015 #39
Can you imagine ann--- Jun 2015 #57
they have won the peace. yurbud Jun 2015 #61
I imagine kind of like Canada and the US Yupster Jun 2015 #78
So you let loose Sherman, burn every Confed city to the ground, and push the traitors into the sea. ncjustice80 Jun 2015 #60
It is assumed that most of the soldiers stationed in the South.... kentuck Jun 2015 #41
We Need Truth and Reconciliation TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #42
Germany accepted that they lost Skittles Jun 2015 #64
There we go with that broad brush again. ladyVet Jun 2015 #121
I've lived in the south for 40 years Skittles Jun 2015 #128
The Civil War was fought "brother against brother" and the goal after the CW was to merrily Jun 2015 #76
The Fourteenth Amendment Yupster Jun 2015 #79
I will edit my post, but merrily Jun 2015 #80
You're thinking of voiding the Confederate debt as an amelioration for the south Yupster Jun 2015 #90
I'm thinking of what the 14th Amendment to which you directed my attention clearly says. merrily Jun 2015 #91
Sorry - just an old history teacher and textbook author Yupster Jun 2015 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Jun 2015 #93
You should consider putting the information in your posts here into a separate OP. There are many appalachiablue Jun 2015 #104
Radical reconstruction was pretty radical while it lasted -- MS had the first black Senator Recursion Jun 2015 #84
Mental masturbation. CK_John Jun 2015 #87
If Lincoln had been President until early 1869, as intended, LeftinOH Jun 2015 #88
I think you're right Yupster Jun 2015 #96
that is pretty cosy. Sort of like bin Laden being W's best man. yurbud Jun 2015 #103
Remember that all of these me served together for years in a very small army. oneshooter Jun 2015 #105
Germany was a very heavily paranoia situation JonLP24 Jun 2015 #89
We tried but after Grant the anti-reconstruction coalition won and undid those efforts. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #94
The immense tragedy of slavery and the Civil War ... earthside Jun 2015 #101
The analogy with the catastrophe of de-Baathisation in Iraq is just as sound. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #106
+1 nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #116
You can almost smell the vapors... kentuck Jun 2015 #110
Some change did happen but it was lost in the "Corrupt Bargain" of 1877. roamer65 Jun 2015 #119
Amazing how many nasty people in one thread can get put on ignore. nt ladyVet Jun 2015 #122
The need (by the Republicans to elect Hayes in 1876) ended 'radical' JCMach1 Jun 2015 #125
Projection. Orsino Jun 2015 #126
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