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tymorial

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55. I believe it is more than a far stretch. I find it a preposterous notion.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jun 2015

In the beginning of the civil war, many men volunteered. As the war processed the gross majority were forced into service. This was the case on both sides. To assume that fighting for the confederacy is automatic proof of support for slavery and racism is ridiculous. This is revisionist history by people who sooth their internalized guilt by placing the north in pristine egalitarian brilliance. This flies in the face of historical fact. Many in the north supported slavery. Many believed black people to be inferior. Look at the soldiers and officers who refused to fight along side black men in uniform. I see no suggestions to lay waste to cemeteries where these men rest. Further, how many men on both sides were responsible for families and had the choice between prison for sedition/desertion or go to war and receive whatever meager wage they were provided for their families. Do we know the beliefs of all of these men? How many died within minutes of their first battle?

I wonder how many of these people who propose such ridiculous notions would stand up and allow their families to starve rather than compromise their principles by going to war. Its easy to arm chair quarterback when our cupboards and refrigerators are full of food and we fail to consider the reality of daily life 150 years go.

I totally support the changing of military bases named for unrepentant racists (excellent term). I totally support relocating the various confederate flags from public land to museums and history books. Some of these other suggestions though are the product of emotionalism which has clouded all objectivity logic and reason.

"Our men will be compelled to wander like vagabonds" gratuitous Jun 2015 #1
Mr. Benning's Speech to the VA State Convention (Vote of Secession) TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #4
Yes they need to be renamed. neverforget Jun 2015 #2
Could we JackInGreen Jun 2015 #71
That stuck in my father's craw n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #3
I Cannot Fathom A Reason For It To Continue TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #6
My dad entered the military in the late 1950's JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #30
+ 1 DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #90
Very interesting. femmocrat Jun 2015 #5
Thanks for the Rec. TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #7
First step would be to repeal the law making Confederate soldiers US veterans Kaleva Jun 2015 #8
Or Pass A Law Making Confederate Service Ineligible for Naming Rights. TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #9
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #14
I think you miss the point. TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #16
That would only affect those who served exclusivly in the confederate military. Angleae Jun 2015 #33
Are you going to dig up the thousands of Confederate soldiers buried at Arlington? former9thward Jun 2015 #75
Yes. Tear that thing down. mwrguy Jun 2015 #76
The Union soldiers beat you to it in Savannah. nt B2G Jun 2015 #79
Ridiculous. former9thward Jun 2015 #80
Move it to your front yard if you like it so much mwrguy Jun 2015 #81
The law I refer to was passed in 1958 Kaleva Jun 2015 #86
I think Obama has the better approach. former9thward Jun 2015 #87
Damn, I agree with GHWB on something. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #89
They should have never been considered US veterans... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #88
Would you support the bulldozing and destruction of confederate Graves? n/t oneshooter Jun 2015 #10
Reductio ad absurdum TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #17
So how you feel about our capitol named for a slave owning Virginian? Telcontar Jun 2015 #19
Do you mean the only Founder to free his slaves at his death? TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #22
Owning slaves is ok as long as you free them at your death? NobodyHere Jun 2015 #29
So he enjoyed their services throughout his life? Telcontar Jun 2015 #35
Several Biographies Are Worth A Read TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #38
That is about right, when Washington reached Boston in 1775 he was shocked... happyslug Jun 2015 #63
But he did not participate in secession over it treestar Jun 2015 #69
I believe it is more than a far stretch. I find it a preposterous notion. tymorial Jun 2015 #55
k and r niyad Jun 2015 #11
K&R Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #13
Laws can be changed or amended. TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #18
Why don't we have a Fort Benedict Arnold? neverforget Jun 2015 #21
Excellent Points TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #24
Definitely not a great or even good general really. Plan A never survives the first shot so he neverforget Jun 2015 #25
Aha! TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #26
What about the Boot Monument???? happyslug Jun 2015 #62
I have often wondered about this. n/t MadrasT Jun 2015 #15
I always thought that was weird (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #20
Excellent point and post indeed. nt MrScorpio Jun 2015 #23
Yes they should be renamed and an apology issued Kalidurga Jun 2015 #27
Camp Beauregard struggle4progress Jun 2015 #28
we're gonna have to sandblast the fuck out of Stone Mountain... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2015 #31
Wonder what folks opinion on the Taliban and ISIS destroying historical artifacts Telcontar Jun 2015 #36
Our military bases are not antiquities n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #39
Changing the name of a military base is equivalent to the Taliban's destruction bullwinkle428 Jun 2015 #42
Of course it is Telcontar Jun 2015 #43
Denying the government the ability to endorse a religion does not destroy that religion. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #51
Completely Wrong erpowers Jun 2015 #45
The statues they are destroying were of slavers and traitors? Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #44
Yeah, you might want to review the Sigalovada Sutta Telcontar Jun 2015 #52
LOL. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #53
Which specific monuments in the US are scheduled to be destroyed? LanternWaste Jun 2015 #56
Let us see now Telcontar Jun 2015 #67
Simple solution KamaAina Jun 2015 #48
used to live and work there... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2015 #50
Very good post. K&R myrna minx Jun 2015 #32
What about nathan bedford forrest state park? DiverDave Jun 2015 #34
It should be renamed JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #40
Remember George "Macaca" Allen, former LibDemAlways Jun 2015 #74
All the roads named after confederate generals also... boston bean Jun 2015 #37
NOLA activists have dealt with Jefferson Davis Parkway KamaAina Jun 2015 #49
Or towns - my hometown was named for the first Confederate commander to die csziggy Jun 2015 #54
I was stationed at Ft. Lee, Virginia.. kentuck Jun 2015 #41
It does seem peculiar to name military installations for enemy soldiers. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #46
The government took my mother's family farm to build A.P. Hill. malthaussen Jun 2015 #47
Until we take Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill, we're just being hypocrites.[n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #57
And Jefferson off the $2 bill 1939 Jun 2015 #59
At what point was Andrew Jackson a traitor to the US? rpannier Jun 2015 #64
Jackson Did a Little Something Called Genocide DrAlCarroll Jun 2015 #77
When he flouted the Supreme Court mwrguy Jun 2015 #78
I don't really care about "traitors" as much as I care about genocide.[n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #83
Michigan 1939 Jun 2015 #58
The deplorable ones should be renamed, but... JPZenger Jun 2015 #60
I'd certainly be in favor of no longer naming carriers after politicians... malthaussen Jun 2015 #61
Never did understand JackInGreen Jun 2015 #65
I must have been in high school 1939 Jun 2015 #66
General Grant and General Lee knew that it was time to end the war Always Randy Jun 2015 #68
Fort Homer Simpson TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #70
Braxton Bragg 1939 Jun 2015 #72
Sorry but imo this entire topic is absurd. nt cstanleytech Jun 2015 #73
I don't have a problem with that DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #82
Close them down! B Calm Jun 2015 #84
Tom Tomorrow agrees with you d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #85
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