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because they are trying to prove who has more socialist cred snooper2 Jun 2015 #1
Interesting points. MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #2
That sounds a lot like what you get from the RW...deny the facts....deflect from the topic. Why? Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #7
I do notice that some people want to redefine unemployment now that President Obama has lowered it. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #92
Don't have a dog in this fight, but DU has talked about the poor way Exultant Democracy Jun 2015 #100
Yes, without getting the weeds I realize the difference DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #105
+1 hifiguy Jun 2015 #179
Exactly...Anybody who is part of that redefinition is no friend of mine, no liberal, nuh uh randys1 Jun 2015 #152
Dare I say, that sounds a lot like what Republicans would say. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #196
They said it under Bush every time we brought up the real unemployment rate. Exultant Democracy Jun 2015 #200
Well actually... kenfrequed Jun 2015 #108
Indeed. Look at my reply (#6) below. Wilms Jun 2015 #8
I'm game (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #11
OK. Draw! MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #54
Sure, Manny, I'll draw ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #82
Paul Krugman disagrees with you, for one. DanTex Jun 2015 #89
"Actively looking" is a pretty hard measure ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #134
It's still a subjective measure, like U6 is. And this thread is not about political value, DanTex Jun 2015 #137
But that has been the case for a long time BainsBane Jul 2015 #230
Maybe because we live in areas of high unemployment or are unemployed ourselves? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #3
That's an interesting point Recursion Jun 2015 #12
Do you know what the unemployment rate is for young, African American males eg? sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #60
Yes, apparently some people are deprived of any empathy. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #150
You should probably be looking to your municipality or state, then frazzled Jun 2015 #31
I have family reasons that prevent me from moving. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #33
My husband was laid off at age 59. LibDemAlways Jun 2015 #86
"underemployment and part-time benefit-less employment that have become the norm." marions ghost Jun 2015 #167
You and I are in the same boat, and I am 48. Efilroft Sul Jun 2015 #170
because all they want to do is complain. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #4
You just described my office cube mate. tridim Jun 2015 #96
Not quite true. Their lack of action may be because they aren't able to just pick up and move. haele Jun 2015 #160
Great post. Good read. Thanks. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #226
Dystopian Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #5
D'oh Recursion Jun 2015 #10
Homeless people don't count, and we have many of them. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #228
Inflation-adjusted wages 1967-2013 Wilms Jun 2015 #6
That's the same chart I used EDIT sorry you posted incomes Recursion Jun 2015 #9
Indeed. It's an attempt at something, but not something I really understand completely. MineralMan Jun 2015 #13
Read some of the replies in this thread edhopper Jun 2015 #14
Maybe because LWolf Jun 2015 #15
I take you and Erich's point: some regions haven't shared in the growth Recursion Jun 2015 #18
Wouldn't you get some optimism out of the statistics presented? treestar Jun 2015 #38
Here are some things that would engender optimism: LWolf Jun 2015 #47
Then you could never be optimistic at any time to date treestar Jun 2015 #57
Much of that situation does exist, just not in the USA... Human101948 Jun 2015 #117
So there is no reason to be optimistic treestar Jun 2015 #216
Good for who? Human101948 Jun 2015 #218
Hope for progress on those fronts LWolf Jun 2015 #141
It is a little hard to read on the chart with certaintly, but haven't LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #130
I think that you don't understand that many of us are still screwed with today's "jobs"... cascadiance Jun 2015 #16
exactly virtualobserver Jun 2015 #66
How Much Money Do You Make ??? WillyT Jun 2015 #17
What's a vacation? azmom Jun 2015 #70
My Point Exactly... WillyT Jun 2015 #88
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #19
Well that second chart is simply a straight up lie Recursion Jun 2015 #22
Duh! YOU provided NO links in your OP's "factual claims: Divernan Jun 2015 #39
Don't be trying to explain things so simply AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #55
Believe it or not your charts got hidden. hifiguy Jun 2015 #181
That is INSANE!!! truebrit71 Jun 2015 #183
Exactly, they should be tombstoned. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with AZ's post. kath Jun 2015 #185
Really. What sort of bullshit hide was that? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #192
What Warren Said! ProfessorGAC Jun 2015 #217
*points down thread* Prism Jun 2015 #194
WTF?! TM99 Jun 2015 #202
Up is Down hifiguy Jun 2015 #204
Shitty hide, anyone with results? (Oh, LegalInsurrction) joshcryer Jun 2015 #215
Retired and taking early Social Security instead of becoming homeless n/t eridani Jul 2015 #233
The myth of early retirement joshcryer Jul 2015 #235
Nice comfortsplaining for the people who had to sign up at 62 eridani Jul 2015 #236
Please. joshcryer Jul 2015 #237
Without a doubt that is the dumbest hide I've ever seen on DU. nt laundry_queen Jul 2015 #225
Insanity is right!!! How the hell could factual charts get a hide????? RiverLover Jul 2015 #240
I was gonna disagree with the OP nilesobek Jun 2015 #193
That was a BS hide. Quackers Jul 2015 #232
Wow. Talk about straight up lies. 35% unemployment in black communities because every one retired? jtuck004 Jun 2015 #103
why are you citing rightwing Republican blogs in your attempts to attack geek tragedy Jun 2015 #59
I've been working the last 5 years from home managing an industrial supply website. I'm 50... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #20
Ironworker? Go Vols Jun 2015 #110
Hi Go Vols, please check your DU mail. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #155
The picture as a whole has definitely improved, pennylane100 Jun 2015 #21
About 1% of the workforce earns the minimum wage Recursion Jun 2015 #24
The rust belt isn't in that bad of shape for employment frazzled Jun 2015 #36
Good point (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #52
See, there's this thing called LINKS. Without them, ZERO credibility! Divernan Jun 2015 #41
I think a true inquiring mind would already know, pennylane100 Jun 2015 #76
Thanks for the links LongTomH Jun 2015 #85
I have to get ready for a long dentist visit, pennylane100 Jun 2015 #87
I think I know where that number comes from (accurate and misleading) Bradical79 Jun 2015 #84
And with how LOW the minimum wage is these days, that isn't saying much! cascadiance Jun 2015 #90
The scum at the top has taken virtually every penny hifiguy Jun 2015 #184
Yea GummyBearz Jun 2015 #23
So your theory is whatthehey Jun 2015 #104
All it takes is some simple logic GummyBearz Jun 2015 #144
Here it is Recursion. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #25
The wealth gap should absolutely be our top priority Recursion Jun 2015 #26
Agree overall. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #32
If you think that, then you have changed your mind closeupready Jun 2015 #118
I've stated the wage level is more important than the wealth gap Recursion Jun 2015 #121
Yep, everything is just peachy. RiverLover Jun 2015 #27
Nice graphic... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #49
I am SO saving that one for further use. hifiguy Jun 2015 #187
The one that annoys me the most SheilaT Jun 2015 #28
Wealthsplaining happens when those whose economic condition is more fortunate explain to RadiationTherapy Jun 2015 #29
As I've repeatedly pointed out to Recursion: Show us your cites! Divernan Jun 2015 #44
Why would a known disruptor do that? Rex Jun 2015 #136
What planet are you living on? I work in a state government job and recent wage increases, if any, raccoon Jun 2015 #30
The OP gets recs from people that have no idea what real life is like in America. Rex Jun 2015 #140
English must not be your first language, smartass. raccoon Jun 2015 #159
Why are you attacking Rex? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #201
Im getting a 3% raise this year.. rbnyc Jun 2015 #175
And none of that is Obama's fault, in fact, without him you and I and many others randys1 Jun 2015 #176
it's no single person's fault... rbnyc Jun 2015 #177
While I agree about the doom-and gloom stuff, you are being overly rosy. For example: DanTex Jun 2015 #34
Thank you Recursion Jun 2015 #48
Like I said, I agree with you about the doom-and-gloom. DanTex Jun 2015 #56
So FRED doesn't do a completely age-adjusted pop/employment ratio. DanTex Jun 2015 #75
Good question Andy823 Jun 2015 #35
I did not know the U.S. bureau of the census nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #40
That was pure projection by said poster. Rex Jun 2015 #164
I know, but when they even accuse government agencies nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #168
I agree, at this point in time all I can do is laugh at them. Rex Jun 2015 #169
employment to population ratio lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #37
0.5% have given up Recursion Jun 2015 #43
Cite! Cite! Cite! - where are your bloody cites? Divernan Jun 2015 #45
BLS. I've cited all of these in numerous OPs Recursion Jun 2015 #50
U3 is 5.5 but U5 is 6.6 lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #65
U5 is day laborers + discouraged + jobless and looking Recursion Jun 2015 #69
Now was that so hard? We don't keep your prior OPs printed out and pasted to the Divernan Jun 2015 #73
Odd that they all did so in the same year... and didn't return to work when things got sooo good. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #51
All 0.3% of them? Yes, that's remarkable Recursion Jun 2015 #58
5% of the population left work in 2008 and about .5% have returned. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #68
And what in fucking hell makes you think that is always voluntary? eridani Jul 2015 #234
If you would take an offered job BLS counts you as "discouraged" Recursion Jul 2015 #239
It's great that things are so rosy for you notadmblnd Jun 2015 #42
Sorry for what you & your family are going through. Divernan Jun 2015 #71
Oh, don't feel sorry for me. I'm the lucky widow. notadmblnd Jun 2015 #79
Where do you buy your rose-tinted glasses? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #46
It looks like from responses treestar Jun 2015 #53
0.3% (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #61
Let them eat cake!!! Zorra Jun 2015 #62
My college statistics professor, Jack Shannon, used to say, Cosmic Dancer Jun 2015 #116
What's in *your* wallet? Fumesucker Jun 2015 #63
The problem with this line of thinking... WestCoastLib Jun 2015 #107
Perspective counts for a lot Fumesucker Jun 2015 #126
"Both sides are the same" = Rand2016 blm Jun 2015 #64
Why do you not have links to your sources so we can scrutinize them? Cleita Jun 2015 #67
Rhetorical question? Zorra Jun 2015 #102
Being controlled by the oligarchy isn't all that bad. L0oniX Jun 2015 #72
Don't you live in India? grasswire Jun 2015 #74
Good Catch! nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #101
WTF India? azmom Jun 2015 #112
Maybe outsourcing US jobs there? PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #119
Way to crap on government service, there Recursion Jun 2015 #124
whatever PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #129
Isn't your wife from that "shitty part of the world" And you work for the US government by your SammyWinstonJack Jun 2015 #197
India? Really? I guess he knows all about the US standard of living. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #125
Yes they do, it is funny all the 'people' here like the OP that make up the biggest lies Rex Jun 2015 #142
+1 nt grasswire Jun 2015 #153
Regardless of the economic situation one way or another, pogglethrope Jun 2015 #77
Mostly because your utopian picture hasn't trickled down to us peasants yet. MindPilot Jun 2015 #78
+1 azmom Jun 2015 #81
Keep calm, eat a sandwich. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #80
This post is offensive. Two Americas. Yours may be great. Others face daily struggles. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #83
Here's the labor stats for anyone interested. Bradical79 Jun 2015 #91
Reasons I don't trust the labor stats daredtowork Jun 2015 #199
Are you trying to appropriate Manny's 3rd way bit? corkhead Jun 2015 #93
Well, it must be admitted that TWM sets a very high hifiguy Jun 2015 #189
If you see DU or its membership as the problem, Skinner's forum closeupready Jun 2015 #94
Well in my experience these are true Autumn Jun 2015 #95
When I turned 50, I was told by one employer that there was "a reason men JDPriestly Jul 2015 #231
Reality is not up for discussion. SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2015 #97
When did you first see this "very troubled land"? tridim Jun 2015 #149
About 1980 SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2015 #211
A segment is also very invested in the corporations making it one. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #98
Don't you remember what Rush Limpballs said right after the election? FlaGatorJD Jun 2015 #99
You have no idea. Fearless Jun 2015 #106
Let's get the real numbers. Exilednight Jun 2015 #109
2.5 billion to mislead the populace azmom Jun 2015 #111
Ringling called. They are running out of clowns. kairos12 Jun 2015 #113
Everybody needs to talk about the HoosierCowboy Jun 2015 #114
take a look at how this about a young man I know pasto76 Jun 2015 #115
"They make those employees clean parts of the restaurant BEFORE they clock in." mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2015 #158
"The reality-based community." n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #120
Wages flat for 40 years. The worst inequality since the Gilded Age. Lowest workforce participation Romulox Jun 2015 #122
Try looking up statistics on labor participation rate instead of U3. jeff47 Jun 2015 #123
OK, Let's play pretend... raindaddy Jun 2015 #127
It is absolutely obscene. I'm so happy Bernie azmom Jun 2015 #154
If this were intended as a joke, it might have been a pretty good one. Orsino Jun 2015 #128
This thread reminds me that numbers don't lie but liars can number. KauaiK Jun 2015 #131
People over 50 having difficulty finding new jobs is true, lark Jun 2015 #132
It is all true, just take what the OP says and reverse it. They love to lie about this stuff Rex Jun 2015 #139
Yes you are getting annoyed, because the truth hurts so you just make up stuff and stir the pot. Rex Jun 2015 #133
Because hungry people don't give a shit about statistics and how they hurt/help a politician... MadDAsHell Jun 2015 #135
The OP is annoyed at the truth, poor baby. Rex Jun 2015 #138
wages or income? counting the yuppie 401k class that sold out workers is wrong MisterP Jun 2015 #143
Wages more than income Recursion Jun 2015 #145
Mass surveillance, wealth inequality, police criminality... Taitertots Jun 2015 #146
Good call, "haters gonna hate" NM_Birder Jun 2015 #147
The US is somewhere in between DYSTOPIA and UTOPIA Martin Eden Jun 2015 #148
Regarding the well-employed 50+ crowd... Orrex Jun 2015 #151
Because it worked against Clinton might as well do it again, Gore made a mistake distancing himself. uponit7771 Jun 2015 #156
Clinton's econ success? Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #229
A large number of the people I know live in a dystopian version of the U.S. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #157
The OP lives in India, how they know anything about America is a mystery to us all. Rex Jun 2015 #162
He's an American, working with the Foreign Service. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #163
Must be nice to know so much, thousands of miles away from the actual country. Rex Jun 2015 #165
Um...they are American. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #238
because those statistics aren't reflecting what we see in our own lives... rbnyc Jun 2015 #161
"There's lies, damned lies, and statistics."-Mark Twain. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #166
love that quote (nt) rbnyc Jun 2015 #171
And a tiny group here is desperately doing their best for Wall Street and the status quo. Rex Jun 2015 #172
Not really. moondust Jun 2015 #173
What the heck is going on in this thread, where someone had a post hidden that just showed some DATA kath Jun 2015 #174
I agree with that. It was a bad alert, bad hide. Hoyt Jun 2015 #180
agreed questionseverything Jun 2015 #190
No idea who alerted or why that was hidden Recursion Jun 2015 #191
i suspect the alerter claimed it was a right wing source m-lekktor Jun 2015 #212
Didn't mean for my earlier post to be a reply to you. kath Jun 2015 #186
That's what I figured. moondust Jun 2015 #188
You can't get so-called progressives elected if the so-called "centrists" are marking progress. Hoyt Jun 2015 #178
Well put. So many here seem completely sold on wikileaks FUD ucrdem Jun 2015 #182
They don't get out much? lovemydog Jun 2015 #195
cool story , bro KG Jun 2015 #198
The US is in a dystopian present. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #203
The US I grew up in was not full roody Jun 2015 #205
I am sorry but I am going TM99 Jun 2015 #206
It's time to expand SocSec to age 50, enlarge the safety net. CK_John Jun 2015 #207
Some covet the struggle LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #208
Maybe in your world. Marrah_G Jun 2015 #209
the relentless, hate-filled assault on women's rights in this country is a fact. niyad Jun 2015 #210
Racism, too. F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #213
your post deserves its own op, so it can be rec'ced. niyad Jun 2015 #219
Incorporated into this OP. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #220
thank you. excellent post. niyad Jul 2015 #224
That's always the case. joshcryer Jun 2015 #214
None of that really matters. Look at the wealth concentration percentages LittleBlue Jul 2015 #221
A future where people don't need to work sounds awesome, personally (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #222
Oh ho ho, that's not how it will work LittleBlue Jul 2015 #223
Hmm. Your post is provocative. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #227
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