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Elmer S. E. Dump

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163. Tell them no more country of origin labeling.

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Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:06 PM

Jun 2015

When people understand the ramifications of only that - it strikes fear and outrage in most people.

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UPDATE: If the TPP Passes Bernie Sanders Will Be the Next President of the US. And Here's Why: [View all] sabrina 1 Jun 2015 OP

I really do want to see Senator Sanders get elected to the Presidency. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2015 #1

took the words right out of my mouth marym625 Jun 2015 #13

I think he will win anyhow, but I'm looking at the sheer numbers of people who are opposed to sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #14

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2015 #167

Only if he goes on the independent ticket and that is a long shot. The 'clinton machine' have Purveyor Jun 2015 #2

The primary debates have already been set up. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #4

Do you have a time, place and participants? I'd love to see the details... eom Purveyor Jun 2015 #8

This is all that has been announced so far. pnwmom Jun 2015 #12

And then there is this: "In a tweet, Clinton said she is "looking forward to a real conversation" Purveyor Jun 2015 #16

If she does not show, the other candidates including Bernie will debate, and the American JDPriestly Jun 2015 #36

He was at 3% in Jan. So he is definitely gaining votes from the Dem base. However that is not sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #41

And thinking voters should be independents. The party system is just a way to trap voters. erronis Jun 2015 #81

"Hillary is losing voters to Bernie"...no she isn't brooklynite Jun 2015 #56

That's down from the over 80% polls were consistently posted here so yes, she is losing support. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #86

Don't know what polls you're thinking of... brooklynite Jun 2015 #88

Look at the poll again. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #112

I see Clinton starting at 60% in Jan 2013 and ending at.....60% today. brooklynite Jun 2015 #114

You mean you missed all the polls on DU where she was consistently in the 80s? sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #134

Predictwise has her chances going up lately. OhZone Jun 2015 #165

I see her chances going down. We have two great candidates in the race now though they are not known sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #179

Just how many people is that really? zeemike Jun 2015 #187

Rallies are not votes brooklynite Jun 2015 #191

And so we went with the less enthusiastic one Kerry zeemike Jun 2015 #193

Given the choice of the guy who could win an Election in November... brooklynite Jun 2015 #194

We need more than those scripted debates. Sanders has offered a way for the people to sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #9

If the party leaders crush democracy like you say RobertEarl Jun 2015 #6

See my post below. I see no reason why he should not still run as a Democrat. Take that party out of sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #30

Totally ... Bernie is not Ralph Nader 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #80

I've been listening to Bernie's weekly phone-in segment ... staggerleem Jun 2015 #99

people will need to be reminded hopemountain Jun 2015 #141

Yep - I live in such a state (Oregon) nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #164

And I believe that in many closed-primary states ... staggerleem Jun 2015 #215

whoa! that needs to be changed - what about hopemountain Jun 2015 #238

OK, and we can work on changing it ... staggerleem Jun 2015 #241

yes, i am with you on the activism nt hopemountain Jun 2015 #242

No matter what Bernie does or doesn't do, he'll be accused of something. merrily Jun 2015 #154

It's not that the Party leaders are f'n stupid, it's that their are arrogant to a fault. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #183

I don't think he'll need to do that. The anger they will face IF this secret Corporate Deal passes sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #10

So does that mean you want it to pass? pnwmom Jun 2015 #3

No it does not. I am as opposed to this abomination as Sanders is. BUT if there was any question sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #7

ooooooooh! almost gotcha! frylock Jun 2015 #83

Lol! sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #87

Too bad if it has to go this way, but something has to give. eom. Cleita Jun 2015 #5

Bernie will win on his own but aspirant Jun 2015 #11

Yes, exactly. I believe he will win anyhow, but IF they are stupid enough to pass this, I agree, it sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #22

TPP aspirant Jun 2015 #15

Because she is for it...lock, stock and barrel as she as indicated some 40+ times... eom Purveyor Jun 2015 #19

I thought she recently said she was against it? aspirant Jun 2015 #23

Oh yes...she has 'evolved', indeed! Expect more evolution depending on how the wind blows. eom Purveyor Jun 2015 #24

And she will 'evolve' when the polls shows that TPP is very unpopular.... Oh Yes Jun 2015 #47

Welcome to DU Oh Yes. I believe you are correct, the anger will be intense. As someone above said, sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #120

+1 The wrath of the people against injustice has never fared well for oppressors throughout history. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #158

+1 azmom Jun 2015 #209

No, I believe she said we should 'watch what Nancy Pelosi does'. Not exactly the kind of statement sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #27

True leadership frylock Jun 2015 #84

The wind must have shifted. Flatulo Jun 2015 #50

Candidate Hillary does think the deal SofS Hillary helped negotiate and dubbed the Gold Standard is merrily Jun 2015 #155

She evolves with the wind. 840high Jun 2015 #175

K&R X 1,000! PatrickforO Jun 2015 #17

K&R marym625 Jun 2015 #18

Sen. Durbin has been great on this, thanks for reminding me. There are a few good ones who sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #37

Just spoke to kirk's office marym625 Jun 2015 #60

I agree. The TPP has enough potential to be a game changer. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #20

Exactly, Corporate Greed may very well finally have gone too far. And yes, it will be a game changer sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #21

Affecting 800 million people... SoapBox Jun 2015 #25

Yes, stunning isn't it, and not one of them has been allowed to see what is in this monstrosity. It sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #39

K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #26

Helluva post, Sabrina Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2015 #28

We are living in strange, and definitely changing times. The old ways have failed millions of people sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #31

Australian trade minister may have scuttled TPP for now. madfloridian Jun 2015 #29

Thank you, didn't see that anywhere on the news here. Sky is a Murdoch owned media airc, however sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #33

Probably not. NAFTA only made Bill Clinton that much more popular. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #32

That was then, now the people KNOW what NAFTA was really all about. I was so naive back then. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #35

That was then and we have seen the results. We are less impressed with TPP. jwirr Jun 2015 #108

I'm pretty sure Clinton is more popular today than in 1993. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #239

To some. jwirr Jun 2015 #240

Maybe so - but overall way more popular. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #243

According to Obama and McConnell, NAFTA needs the fix provided by the TPP. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #184

Who would have ever thought in the sheer joy of the results of the election in 2008 sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #188

We were easily manipulated because we wanted it to be true. We wanted someone rhett o rick Jun 2015 #224

I really do believe that Senator Bernie Sanders madokie Jun 2015 #34

It's not that simple CreekDog Jun 2015 #40

You have no idea how important an issue this is then. Probably THE most important sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #42

+1 BeanMusical Jun 2015 #44

I'm not disagreeing on the importance, I'm disagreeing that it will decisively change the votes CreekDog Jun 2015 #46

I responded to what you wrote, sorry if you don't people to respond to your comments. I'm playing NO sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #74

I agree with you on TPP and also I'm glad you've posted about how horrible Putin is CreekDog Jun 2015 #113

There is an old saying, and I believe it applies here, my advice, meant in all sincerity and in the sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #125

Ok, then I'll edit and thank you for posting how horrible Putin is CreekDog Jun 2015 #140

No one can say I didn't try to save you from embarrassing yourself, but when someone is bound and sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #142

What was the error in my last message? Did I say something incorrect? CreekDog Jun 2015 #143

I do not like one issue voting either but the TPP may be one bill but it effects a whole range of jwirr Jun 2015 #110

I think it is a one issue election, and the issue is integrity. HRC and George Bush both rhett o rick Jun 2015 #185

You outdo yourself in this beautiful OP! delrem Jun 2015 #43

Great post(s)! BeanMusical Jun 2015 #45

I actually believe that the TPP will be the tipping point Oh Yes Jun 2015 #48

republicans have more to worry about from voter retribution on fast track than Democrats do. pampango Jun 2015 #49

Well, I am not going to vote for Debbie Wasserman-DINO, or Bill Nelson or any other djean111 Jun 2015 #54

The 17% of Democrats who are 'less likely' to vote for a pro-fast track politician is a large number pampango Jun 2015 #61

Those are partisan positions. Dems standing up for their team and Repubs viewing this as an Obama sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #132

I don't agree that the Democratic base consists of mindless partisan cheerleaders. pampango Jun 2015 #137

How soon after the TPP passes will Bernie surge to the lead in national polls for the nomination? Freddie Stubbs Jun 2015 #51

...bearing in mind, 'nothing' will happen brooklynite Jun 2015 #64

Unless Bernie Sanders has Silky Sullivan’s blood pogglethrope Jun 2015 #52

In normal times your conventional wisdom might be right, but these are not normal times, so I sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #53

If Sanders is the nominee, I guarantee you Illinois goes red. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #67

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #144

Ever see this scary thing? greatauntoftriplets Jun 2015 #146

I live outside Cook Country MohRokTah Jun 2015 #151

I'm in Cook County in a town that went 80 percent for President Obama in 2012. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2015 #152

Defeatist nonsense. Maedhros Jun 2015 #135

The average voter doesn't care.... brooklynite Jun 2015 #55

You are largely right. A Pew poll in January reflected this. pampango Jun 2015 #63

Do you ever talk about the issues your candidate stands for? No offense, but your comments always sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #66

They don't want an informed electorate because azmom Jun 2015 #207

They talk about politics as if it was a football game or a horse race. No interest in ordinary sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #210

They do, and it's offensive. azmom Jun 2015 #211

who is they? CreekDog Jun 2015 #213

WHY won't he 'have the ability to get to enough audiences to deal with Clinton's massive lead'? sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #197

Let's use Texas an an example... brooklynite Jun 2015 #202

And you support a system that locks out, because of MONEY, the people's right to learn about sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #203

I stand with the Unions and Bernie Autumn Jun 2015 #57

Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #92

The Clinton fix is obviously in. Remember the "Super Delegates"? They will install Hillary. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #58

How, precisely, since they are <20% of the delegate count? whatthehey Jun 2015 #68

Ok ...so they don't need our votes. Great ...cause I wasn't really wanting to vote for Hillary. L0oniX Jun 2015 #173

You know what's really humorous about TPP, TPA, fast track, etc... Sancho Jun 2015 #59

Stop being sensible. It upsets people. whatthehey Jun 2015 #69

I agree. chev52 Jun 2015 #79

My neighbors (retired and they vote) have never heard of it. Sancho Jun 2015 #104

Try asking your neighbors about NAFTA and then tell them the TPP is another NAFTA. Or how jwirr Jun 2015 #111

I'll ask at the mailbox this afternoon...the old engineer is pretty sharp. Sancho Jun 2015 #115

Yes, I see what you are saying. Here in MN many of us get newsletters from the unions so we are jwirr Jun 2015 #116

Tell them no more country of origin labeling. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #163

Good point - we are going to eat that stuff. jwirr Jun 2015 #166

We won't even buy our dogs treats made in China. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #170

You just provided the old 'conventional wisdom' that has no application at all to today's sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #82

Repeat... Sancho Jun 2015 #96

Well it looks like it isn't Bernie who has the math problem, as was pointed out in the DK thread sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #121

It really doesn't matter how much the tax is or how much it generates... Sancho Jun 2015 #124

Where are you getting this from? Your retirement funds are NOT going to be taxed. I don't think sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #128

Our retirement fund would be taxed...according to our analysis. Sancho Jun 2015 #138

This is one example....183 Billion in Florida invested...most in retirement Sancho Jun 2015 #139

If you look at most state retirement funds, they are invested in Wall Street Sancho Jun 2015 #169

So Corps are risking your pension by gambling with it on Wall St. Like Enron. And you are not sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #177

Yes, most of us have fought battles with GOP Governor's on how to invest the funds (or not)!! Sancho Jun 2015 #178

My wife and I both teach... Sancho Jun 2015 #117

Show me Bernie's plan to tax retirement savings. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #93

Here's some "full of shit" for you...I'll accept your apology anytime... Sancho Jun 2015 #95

How about you just post BERNIE'S own plan? Rather than the disgruntled 'investor' types who don't sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #100

Those aren't disgruntled investors... Sancho Jun 2015 #107

There will certainly be no apology. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #102

Bernie has not real numbers...just a wild idea... Sancho Jun 2015 #105

I have responded, but you are correct. I have read the links and it is not Bernie who has the sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #130

Thank you, sabrina 1. I appreciate your work on our behalf. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #131

The feeling is mutual Enthusiast! sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #133

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #62

most voters don't care about tpp taught_me_patience Jun 2015 #70

Could you post some links to back up your opinion on this? Because following it from several years sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #72

Here are some quick ones: taught_me_patience Jun 2015 #73

I did ask you not to give me a Murdoch owned WSJ poll. That demographic is Wall St so naturally sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #75

Is Pew good enough for you? taught_me_patience Jun 2015 #76

K&R raouldukelives Jun 2015 #71

One question. zentrum Jun 2015 #77

Good point, they will not be felt for a while. But this is post Nafta where we know the effects of sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #78

Good points. zentrum Jun 2015 #123

I remain unconvinced. Sorry. MineralMan Jun 2015 #85

I remember the unconvinced in 2007. They were wrong, as it turned out. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #97

Obama didn't win the primary based on the trade issue CreekDog Jun 2015 #122

Thanks to Youtube, everyone can see exactly what was said nationalize the fed Jun 2015 #180

Thank the gods for the internets! They are an instant cure for the amnesia that appears to sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #198

Well if passing TPP gets us President Sanders, it is worth it n2doc Jun 2015 #89

I like the way you think, Sabrina Utopian Leftist Jun 2015 #90

Thank you, UL, however I hope this does not pass, but I have no illusions about Corporate power sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #127

A question that I haven't been able to get a satisfactory answer to. staggerleem Jun 2015 #91

That's a good question, I do not know the answer. I doubt it, as it involves 11 other countries sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #103

BERNIE!!! AzDar Jun 2015 #94

The big red flag I see in all this is... Bubzer Jun 2015 #98

Libertarians kept thinking Ron Paul would become President of the United States, too. pogglethrope Jun 2015 #101

Liberals kept thinking Obama would become President of the United States also. He did. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #129

Obama didn't get the nomination due to his position on the trade issue CreekDog Jun 2015 #147

That was a good take on an interesting angle to this, thanks for posting it (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2015 #106

I hope you're right chapdrum Jun 2015 #109

I do too, but Bernie will need overwhelming support even if he wins, they won't give up sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #189

As a Washington resident floriduck Jun 2015 #118

I love DeFazio, that would be a great choice. I will help you unseat the betrayers, wherever they sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #160

Well, I guess I better start saving up my money SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #119

Hillary will find a way to deceive voters into thinking she ALSO closeupready Jun 2015 #126

I love DU predictions wyldwolf Jun 2015 #136

Me too. 2008, same thing. We knew Obama could win, but were more or less dismissed then too. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #148

i guess there was no error in my post because i asked you to point out where i was wrong CreekDog Jun 2015 #149

"You" knew Howard Dean, Bill Bradley, Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich, George McGovern, etc. could win. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #150

Wrong guess. I knew Kucinich would be attacked, after all he stood up to the Bush regime at a time sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #156

Absolutely not wrong. Obama won and you think that means you're a good political prognosticator. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #162

You're doing it again, you are telling me what I THINK. This is a very bad habit some people have on sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #181

Bernie isn't running against an unpopular president. He's running FROM a popular one. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #196

Bernie isn't running FOR the Corporations, he's running AGAINST THEM and against the MONEY sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #199

In 2008, Obama was the trade opponent in the primaries yet he lost those industrial states CreekDog Jun 2015 #153

Wrong: John Edwards was the darling of DU frazzled Jun 2015 #200

solid at 60% stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #145

Down from the over 80% we kept seeing here on a weekly basis. And way down in NH sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #235

Bernie is now Thespian2 Jun 2015 #157

WPF DCBob Jun 2015 #159

So you don't trust Bernie to win or to handle trade fairly? ucrdem Jun 2015 #161

Was this meant for ME? sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author underthematrix Jun 2015 #168

Of course they'll pass, Corporate bought members of Congress will do their job for their sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #208

Wonder if TPP bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #171

I was wondering about that also, or can the people sue due to a law sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #219

It's all written by lawyers bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #229

That might be the best angle bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #230

It definitely seem unconstitutional to me. And such a lawsuit might get exposure of just who sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #231

You've hit it, that strikes right to the core of the law bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #232

I hope so, sabrina..will work tirelessly for him. K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #172

I'm confused. If TPP passes and all of the Dems who supported it are ousted onenote Jun 2015 #174

That's too easy a question. Real Representatives of the PEOPLE. Anyone who votes for this sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #176

Let's be real...there won't be mass primaries of every Dem who voted for TPA. brooklynite Jun 2015 #195

Wow, again speaking for the average voter without any knowledge clearly, of what is important to sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #221

Speaking for myself: a person involved in political campaigns for 35 years brooklynite Jun 2015 #222

Here, first Union to endorse Sanders today: sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #225

We're talking about going after the TPA votes in the House and Senate. brooklynite Jun 2015 #226

The Unions promised to do that IF they were betrayed. The Teachers Union that just endorsed Sanders sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #228

K&R for an outstanding thread, sabrina... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #182

Regarding all the polls we are being presented with, you are correct to want to see some independent sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #186

I believe there IS a "tipping point"... sendero Jun 2015 #190

K & R LWolf Jun 2015 #192

I'll bet you can't find 10% of voters who upaloopa Jun 2015 #201

It's our job to inform them. We need an informed electorate azmom Jun 2015 #205

"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and upaloopa Jun 2015 #212

Framing is everything. azmom Jun 2015 #214

You can talk until you are blue to my wife upaloopa Jun 2015 #217

Wow, you sound pleased that Americans are deprived of information that is critical to their sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #220

Looks like Sanders has it in the bag. Not just in the bag, but landslide. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #204

"... the entire labor force" ? Bit of an exaggeration, yes? Myrina Jun 2015 #216

Every Union in the country opposed the TPP. They represent the labor force in this country. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #227

Like Phoenix rising from the ashes. nt Zorra Jun 2015 #218

Bookmarking. Rex Jun 2015 #223

They would not have if it were not for the betrayers, Third Way Dems, Debbie Wasserman of course sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #237

Unconstitutional bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #233

Thank you for adding that here. I agree. Now what are we going to do about it? Btw, see the update, sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #234

Constitutional Scholars bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #236