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In reply to the discussion: UPDATE: If the TPP Passes Bernie Sanders Will Be the Next President of the US. And Here's Why: [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)35. That was then, now the people KNOW what NAFTA was really all about. I was so naive back then.
But now I am wide awake, like millions of other people who back then were still caught up in the 'red team' V the 'blue team' game that kept us all thinking that we were really fighting for something.
Thankfully the younger generation is suffering from no such naivete and knows full well what these trade deals do the American working class.
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UPDATE: If the TPP Passes Bernie Sanders Will Be the Next President of the US. And Here's Why: [View all]
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
OP
I think he will win anyhow, but I'm looking at the sheer numbers of people who are opposed to
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#14
Only if he goes on the independent ticket and that is a long shot. The 'clinton machine' have
Purveyor
Jun 2015
#2
And then there is this: "In a tweet, Clinton said she is "looking forward to a real conversation"
Purveyor
Jun 2015
#16
If she does not show, the other candidates including Bernie will debate, and the American
JDPriestly
Jun 2015
#36
He was at 3% in Jan. So he is definitely gaining votes from the Dem base. However that is not
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#41
And thinking voters should be independents. The party system is just a way to trap voters.
erronis
Jun 2015
#81
That's down from the over 80% polls were consistently posted here so yes, she is losing support.
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#86
You mean you missed all the polls on DU where she was consistently in the 80s?
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#134
I see her chances going down. We have two great candidates in the race now though they are not known
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#179
We need more than those scripted debates. Sanders has offered a way for the people to
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#9
See my post below. I see no reason why he should not still run as a Democrat. Take that party out of
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#30
It's not that the Party leaders are f'n stupid, it's that their are arrogant to a fault.
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#183
I don't think he'll need to do that. The anger they will face IF this secret Corporate Deal passes
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#10
No it does not. I am as opposed to this abomination as Sanders is. BUT if there was any question
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#7
Yes, exactly. I believe he will win anyhow, but IF they are stupid enough to pass this, I agree, it
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#22
Because she is for it...lock, stock and barrel as she as indicated some 40+ times... eom
Purveyor
Jun 2015
#19
Oh yes...she has 'evolved', indeed! Expect more evolution depending on how the wind blows. eom
Purveyor
Jun 2015
#24
Welcome to DU Oh Yes. I believe you are correct, the anger will be intense. As someone above said,
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#120
+1 The wrath of the people against injustice has never fared well for oppressors throughout history.
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#158
No, I believe she said we should 'watch what Nancy Pelosi does'. Not exactly the kind of statement
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#27
Candidate Hillary does think the deal SofS Hillary helped negotiate and dubbed the Gold Standard is
merrily
Jun 2015
#155
Sen. Durbin has been great on this, thanks for reminding me. There are a few good ones who
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#37
Exactly, Corporate Greed may very well finally have gone too far. And yes, it will be a game changer
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#38
Yes, stunning isn't it, and not one of them has been allowed to see what is in this monstrosity. It
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#39
We are living in strange, and definitely changing times. The old ways have failed millions of people
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#31
Thank you, didn't see that anywhere on the news here. Sky is a Murdoch owned media airc, however
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#33
That was then, now the people KNOW what NAFTA was really all about. I was so naive back then.
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#35
According to Obama and McConnell, NAFTA needs the fix provided by the TPP.
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#184
Who would have ever thought in the sheer joy of the results of the election in 2008
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#188
We were easily manipulated because we wanted it to be true. We wanted someone
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#224
You have no idea how important an issue this is then. Probably THE most important
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#42
I'm not disagreeing on the importance, I'm disagreeing that it will decisively change the votes
CreekDog
Jun 2015
#46
I responded to what you wrote, sorry if you don't people to respond to your comments. I'm playing NO
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#74
I agree with you on TPP and also I'm glad you've posted about how horrible Putin is
CreekDog
Jun 2015
#113
There is an old saying, and I believe it applies here, my advice, meant in all sincerity and in the
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#125
No one can say I didn't try to save you from embarrassing yourself, but when someone is bound and
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#142
I do not like one issue voting either but the TPP may be one bill but it effects a whole range of
jwirr
Jun 2015
#110
I think it is a one issue election, and the issue is integrity. HRC and George Bush both
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#185
republicans have more to worry about from voter retribution on fast track than Democrats do.
pampango
Jun 2015
#49
Well, I am not going to vote for Debbie Wasserman-DINO, or Bill Nelson or any other
djean111
Jun 2015
#54
The 17% of Democrats who are 'less likely' to vote for a pro-fast track politician is a large number
pampango
Jun 2015
#61
Those are partisan positions. Dems standing up for their team and Repubs viewing this as an Obama
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#132
I don't agree that the Democratic base consists of mindless partisan cheerleaders.
pampango
Jun 2015
#137
How soon after the TPP passes will Bernie surge to the lead in national polls for the nomination?
Freddie Stubbs
Jun 2015
#51
In normal times your conventional wisdom might be right, but these are not normal times, so I
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#53
I'm in Cook County in a town that went 80 percent for President Obama in 2012.
greatauntoftriplets
Jun 2015
#152
Do you ever talk about the issues your candidate stands for? No offense, but your comments always
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#66
They talk about politics as if it was a football game or a horse race. No interest in ordinary
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#210
WHY won't he 'have the ability to get to enough audiences to deal with Clinton's massive lead'?
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#197
And you support a system that locks out, because of MONEY, the people's right to learn about
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#203
The Clinton fix is obviously in. Remember the "Super Delegates"? They will install Hillary. nt
Romulox
Jun 2015
#58
Ok ...so they don't need our votes. Great ...cause I wasn't really wanting to vote for Hillary.
L0oniX
Jun 2015
#173
Try asking your neighbors about NAFTA and then tell them the TPP is another NAFTA. Or how
jwirr
Jun 2015
#111
Yes, I see what you are saying. Here in MN many of us get newsletters from the unions so we are
jwirr
Jun 2015
#116
You just provided the old 'conventional wisdom' that has no application at all to today's
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#82
Well it looks like it isn't Bernie who has the math problem, as was pointed out in the DK thread
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#121
Where are you getting this from? Your retirement funds are NOT going to be taxed. I don't think
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#128
So Corps are risking your pension by gambling with it on Wall St. Like Enron. And you are not
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#177
Yes, most of us have fought battles with GOP Governor's on how to invest the funds (or not)!!
Sancho
Jun 2015
#178
How about you just post BERNIE'S own plan? Rather than the disgruntled 'investor' types who don't
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#100
I have responded, but you are correct. I have read the links and it is not Bernie who has the
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#130
Could you post some links to back up your opinion on this? Because following it from several years
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#72
I did ask you not to give me a Murdoch owned WSJ poll. That demographic is Wall St so naturally
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#75
Good point, they will not be felt for a while. But this is post Nafta where we know the effects of
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#78
Thank the gods for the internets! They are an instant cure for the amnesia that appears to
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#198
Thank you, UL, however I hope this does not pass, but I have no illusions about Corporate power
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#127
That's a good question, I do not know the answer. I doubt it, as it involves 11 other countries
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#103
Libertarians kept thinking Ron Paul would become President of the United States, too.
pogglethrope
Jun 2015
#101
Liberals kept thinking Obama would become President of the United States also. He did.
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#129
That was a good take on an interesting angle to this, thanks for posting it (nt)
Babel_17
Jun 2015
#106
I do too, but Bernie will need overwhelming support even if he wins, they won't give up
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#189
I love DeFazio, that would be a great choice. I will help you unseat the betrayers, wherever they
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#160
Me too. 2008, same thing. We knew Obama could win, but were more or less dismissed then too.
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#148
i guess there was no error in my post because i asked you to point out where i was wrong
CreekDog
Jun 2015
#149
"You" knew Howard Dean, Bill Bradley, Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich, George McGovern, etc. could win.
wyldwolf
Jun 2015
#150
Wrong guess. I knew Kucinich would be attacked, after all he stood up to the Bush regime at a time
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#156
Absolutely not wrong. Obama won and you think that means you're a good political prognosticator.
wyldwolf
Jun 2015
#162
You're doing it again, you are telling me what I THINK. This is a very bad habit some people have on
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#181
Bernie isn't running against an unpopular president. He's running FROM a popular one.
wyldwolf
Jun 2015
#196
Bernie isn't running FOR the Corporations, he's running AGAINST THEM and against the MONEY
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#199
In 2008, Obama was the trade opponent in the primaries yet he lost those industrial states
CreekDog
Jun 2015
#153
Down from the over 80% we kept seeing here on a weekly basis. And way down in NH
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#235
Of course they'll pass, Corporate bought members of Congress will do their job for their
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#208
It definitely seem unconstitutional to me. And such a lawsuit might get exposure of just who
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#231
That's too easy a question. Real Representatives of the PEOPLE. Anyone who votes for this
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#176
Let's be real...there won't be mass primaries of every Dem who voted for TPA.
brooklynite
Jun 2015
#195
Wow, again speaking for the average voter without any knowledge clearly, of what is important to
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#221
Speaking for myself: a person involved in political campaigns for 35 years
brooklynite
Jun 2015
#222
The Unions promised to do that IF they were betrayed. The Teachers Union that just endorsed Sanders
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#228
Regarding all the polls we are being presented with, you are correct to want to see some independent
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#186
Wow, you sound pleased that Americans are deprived of information that is critical to their
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#220
Looks like Sanders has it in the bag. Not just in the bag, but landslide. nt.
NCTraveler
Jun 2015
#204
Every Union in the country opposed the TPP. They represent the labor force in this country.
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#227
They would not have if it were not for the betrayers, Third Way Dems, Debbie Wasserman of course
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#237