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Why gun control is doomed [View all] damnedifIknow Jun 2015 OP
The pro-massacre lobby won. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #1
Because the Bible study group wasn't packing enough heat themselves? Are you fucking kidding me? Electric Monk Jun 2015 #10
No, because a possibly mentally ill white supremacist fuckwit was able to get a gun. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #37
I will not call this young man mentally ill nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #112
Shooter reportedly motivated in part by black on white violent crime. ed_shaw Jun 2015 #151
I read the statement in full nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #155
Yes, it sounds like he did. ed_shaw Jun 2015 #170
Well lone wolves are far more common than they used to be nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #171
cowards won Skittles Jun 2015 #12
Yep shenmue Jun 2015 #126
I happen to be in favof of total SheilaT Jun 2015 #2
guns are the perfect 4 yr old's toy: loud noise, bright flash, breaks stuff nt msongs Jun 2015 #3
... GGJohn Jun 2015 #5
It does not matter if the majority of firearms owners are law abiding. SheilaT Jun 2015 #7
Hey Sheila Shamash Jun 2015 #20
"And I'm perfectly happy with the way things are now..." daleanime Jun 2015 #33
Maybe you are, but I'm not Shamash Jun 2015 #41
There needs to be an investigation to see where NICS failed EL34x4 Jun 2015 #49
I agree. Virginia's broke down in the VT killings, yet its reporting system was 2nd only to CA. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #68
Get back to you never, the pro-gun side talks well.... daleanime Jun 2015 #50
Here is the dilemma you are in: Wanting pro-gunners to do what you can't... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #67
You never fail to come thru, El! CTyankee Jun 2015 #115
Every tragedy pipoman Jun 2015 #116
more of the same old, same old...I know you guys have your "sources." I see them CTyankee Jun 2015 #131
And the gun control usual suspects were the first on the scene pipoman Jun 2015 #133
so I guess it's "impossible" so just give up and don't try anything anymore... CTyankee Jun 2015 #134
There's actually a lot of things which could be done pipoman Jun 2015 #139
let's get them done then... CTyankee Jun 2015 #141
Get what done? The possible? pipoman Jun 2015 #143
And the NRA opposes absolutely all of the things that can be done mythology Jun 2015 #168
I'm not an NRA member and most of the things which could be done pipoman Jun 2015 #169
another guy whooping and hollering... CTyankee Jun 2015 #135
I have no idea what this has to do with what I said... pipoman Jun 2015 #140
think harder... CTyankee Jun 2015 #142
barely since it has nothing to do with DU... pipoman Jun 2015 #144
as long as some people blame the victims for their deaths by gun violence we avoid CTyankee Jun 2015 #145
you'll have to give me a post number for the problems and solutions as you see it.... pipoman Jun 2015 #157
It is there and I think you'll find what you are looking for. CTyankee Jun 2015 #162
Who was first in line with the animosity, CT? THAT is what never fails. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #163
I disagree strongly with your ideas on this issue, it is not personal animosity. CTyankee Jun 2015 #165
??? SheilaT Jun 2015 #38
I'm an older guy Shamash Jun 2015 #42
Okay, you win. SheilaT Jun 2015 #44
Yes, I -will- be surprised Shamash Jun 2015 #46
At around 10k non suicide deaths annually pipoman Jun 2015 #120
"There's another readily identifiable minority" - guns are a choice you make to own. The Straight Story Jun 2015 #62
Because committing violent crimes is a matter of desire/intent. Which invites comparison. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #130
So start the process to repeal the 2A, GGJohn Jun 2015 #29
With your rationale we would have to reinstate Prohibition. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #58
I would say that 80+ million gun owners downright disagree with that. beevul Jun 2015 #80
That "culture war thingy"... Chan790 Jun 2015 #32
LOL. GGJohn Jun 2015 #34
Have you ever even considered the logistics of a "total gun confiscation"?? It would NEVER happen, Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #6
It happened in Australia. SheilaT Jun 2015 #8
The bad guys in Australia just build their own now. davepc Jun 2015 #11
And the cops have got them off the street. Are you claiming gun control doesn't work here? n/t Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #14
"Gun control" is not a panacea. They problem is the "why" - why these mass shootings? jonno99 Jun 2015 #55
Which means they're not available to ordinary members of the public. SwissTony Jun 2015 #17
Oh. I guess I've missed their frequent mass murders as well. SheilaT Jun 2015 #39
I'm not a fan of our then Prime Minister John Howard SwissTony Jun 2015 #16
Nor me, but he was awesome when it came to gun control... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #36
Just like Electronic Frontier Foundation members are all responsible for child porn friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #18
Even Australians did not put up with it Shamash Jun 2015 #21
Let me tell you how the gun control laws help us as a whole... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #31
If one is correlating crime with gun ownership Shamash Jun 2015 #43
Um, I didn't expect my home to be less likely to be burgled... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #127
If I were PM of Australia... Shamash Jun 2015 #132
And the Australian public would have had four words for you... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #147
I didn't ask the Australian public, I asked -you- Shamash Jun 2015 #150
And I'm telling you how the vast majority of Australians felt... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #152
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #153
yes there are gejohnston Jun 2015 #123
I disagree. One can support a civil liberty and still condemn those who exploit it to do harm aikoaiko Jun 2015 #22
Actually, no, they *bought* them. You ready to pony up market prices for 350 million guns? X_Digger Jun 2015 #65
"Fuck you. You are, each and every one of you, responsible for Charleston and every single other.. Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #66
Classy, huh? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #98
Yep, a real class act there... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #113
This has gone out of control ed_shaw Jun 2015 #172
Happened in Australia because their people consented to it LittleBlue Jun 2015 #77
These people are playing with matches- Lulu Belle Jun 2015 #148
Well, that changes everything. beevul Jun 2015 #81
The United States has almost FOURTEEN TIMES the population of Australia. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #83
Disgustingly, this vulgar, irrational, insulting POS post was (barely) sustained. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #97
Not surprising here Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #104
and legal gun ownership is the same gejohnston Jun 2015 #121
And if you go to, enjoy, or have a swimming pool pipoman Jun 2015 #122
Pass laws to freeze the assets of people with guns Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #9
How do you propose to get the 20-25% of Americans that own guns to go along with that... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #13
Those Americans will have bank accounts Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #47
even if such a law were possible, which it isn't, you wouldn't know where to look in most cases. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #24
Pass laws to freeze the assets of people convicted of DUI Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #73
Have you read the Bill of Rights lately? delta17 Jun 2015 #119
You do it how Japan did it. Chan790 Jun 2015 #35
Thanks for that information, as I didn't know that about Japan. SheilaT Jun 2015 #40
A wonderful addition to this thread - very informative Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #45
Now this approach is interesting. It sounds similar to what the bad guys have done w Roe v Wade. calimary Jun 2015 #57
Sure put a dent in their suicide rate. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #69
So, basically, you support Communism? Which Constitutional Right are YOU willing to give up?? Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #76
What does revoking RKBA have to do with state ownership of the means of production of capital? Chan790 Jun 2015 #79
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #87
"So on...chip chip chip." beevul Jun 2015 #82
Thank goodness the Constitution protects us from people like you. tritsofme Jun 2015 #102
This is exactly why many of us RKBA'ers argue that gun control is a slippery slope. appal_jack Jun 2015 #146
And you see ANY POSSIBILITY of that ever passing any congress? nt Logical Jun 2015 #23
I'm with you, SheilaT. calimary Jun 2015 #53
unless you repeal the 2nd amendment it cant happen rdking647 Jun 2015 #167
It's easy to forget: (1) We really can change things; (2) Changing things takes lots of time struggle4progress Jun 2015 #4
Gun control is not doomed, however given the US' history, it will be akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #15
That's sounds pretty elitist. LAGC Jun 2015 #61
Remember folks Shamash Jun 2015 #19
Probably no more gun control, per se... but more surveillance, more people control seems possible HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #25
Self-fulfilling prophecy. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #26
Amazing how many Democrats also have this bizzare fetish for guns. DCBob Jun 2015 #27
Yep Shamash Jun 2015 #48
LOL laundry_queen Jun 2015 #78
Its right there in so many anti-gun posts for all to see. beevul Jun 2015 #84
Again LOL laundry_queen Jun 2015 #88
Thats what I'd say if I were in denial of it, myself. N/T beevul Jun 2015 #89
Denial of what? laundry_queen Jun 2015 #91
The behavior you're ignoring. beevul Jun 2015 #94
plenty of hateful behavior laundry_queen Jun 2015 #96
Whatever "hateful" behavior is coming from the pro-gun side, it PALES in comparison... beevul Jun 2015 #99
If there is plenty Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #105
Simply crashing a thread laundry_queen Jun 2015 #107
I see you could not link to any Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #108
I see the search function escapes your capabilities. nt laundry_queen Jun 2015 #109
No, it does not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #110
and what am I searching for? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #111
Some folks "like" guns just because the guns are "cool" and go bang. jonno99 Jun 2015 #59
Neither do I. smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #158
I grew up on a farm in the midwest and did alot of hunting. DCBob Jun 2015 #160
Because of Republicans. Same as most everything else. DanTex Jun 2015 #28
Let me fix that title for you: 99Forever Jun 2015 #30
Weapon manufacturers benefit from mass murders. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #51
So if bar owners can be held liable for the murder that's committed when a drunk calimary Jun 2015 #60
No, your analogy is off. X_Digger Jun 2015 #74
Because they bought politicians to make it that way SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #103
apples and oranges and you know it Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #106
President Obama, House Speaker Pelosi, AG Holder ALL advocated banning.... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #72
There are two ways to get pro-gun legislators to vote on gun bills. valerief Jun 2015 #52
Theres nothing ethical... beevul Jun 2015 #86
It has to be a community project. hunter Jun 2015 #54
It's sick is what it is damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #63
Gun control is a political loser. earthside Jun 2015 #56
I think it should be up to the person who wants a gun to prove they are not a gun pervert... hunter Jun 2015 #64
lol, NM_Birder Jun 2015 #70
White Republican Gun Love is extinct as a political issue in my community. hunter Jun 2015 #85
"Obsessing about tools of death, collecting them, admiring them, is a perverse sick fetish". smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #159
A lot of people in the South had to "prove" they knew constitutional law to vote... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #75
Don't know anything about that. hunter Jun 2015 #90
Well, you sound like an American! Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #93
This was up until the 1960s (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #136
I had trouble with the "gun gets you the vote and protects you from the night rider..." hunter Jun 2015 #154
There's a PBS docu about armed Black defense in the 60s. it's interesting. Recursion Jun 2015 #156
Because the proposal is insufficient. Chan790 Jun 2015 #117
Rights aren't based on 'need', they're inherent friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #128
I'm a vocal adherent, even in this thread, of 2nd A. repeal. Chan790 Jun 2015 #149
I support both pro-gun and anti-gun ideas madville Jun 2015 #71
the problem comes when a responsible, non-violent member of society becomes CTyankee Jun 2015 #138
I own guns that nobody knows about. I doubt I'm the only one. Throd Jun 2015 #92
We had a Rethug Congress in 2012. But eventually we won't -- demographics are moving pnwmom Jun 2015 #95
I don't know why so many Americans are so twisted compared to other humans in other Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #100
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #161
The people still believing in the promised land of gun control Shamash Jun 2015 #101
an amerikan disease/plague. pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #114
The idea that the earth is not flat was doomed Aerows Jun 2015 #118
1992 was the apology: Galileo got in trouble for burning every bridge and not having proof to separa MisterP Jun 2015 #124
He was sentenced and excommunicated Aerows Jun 2015 #125
... without evidence MisterP Jun 2015 #164
Your reply is confusing Aerows Jun 2015 #166
I don't think anyone has ever thought the earth was flat Recursion Jun 2015 #137
The REAL reason (warning, some will be offended) DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #129
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