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GGJohn

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59. The difference, as I'm sure you know, is that a university ID isn't a govt issued ID,

Reply to Electric Monk (Reply #41)

Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:19 PM

Jun 2015

whereas, a CCW license is a govt. issued ID.

Another fail.

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Does Right To Own Guns Trump Right To Live? [View all] Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 OP

That belief is a derivative Turbineguy Jun 2015 #1

+100. Even if one accepts "right" to carry/own guns, it doesn't mean good/civilized people should. Hoyt Jun 2015 #2

"My rights trump your dead" BainsBane Jun 2015 #3

Does he really thing that fighting in the Iraq or Afghanistan war passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #33

Not only that, he thinks it makes his right to have guns more important BainsBane Jun 2015 #34

Yes, but that I expected from a gun nut. The NRA sells that loud and clear. passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #40

Links Electric Monk Jun 2015 #38

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #50

I have been told several times Bettie Jun 2015 #76

OMG there is something wrong with him treestar Jun 2015 #82

I own guns but I don't go around saying I want to start a race war, civil war, etc. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #4

I have several relatives who hunt. They are good, kind people. I think we need to emphasize JDPriestly Jun 2015 #24

Pointing fingers at the NRA for fighting sensible bills to hold people and gun dealers Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #35

True. I would favor requiring gun owners to insure their guns and to post bonds to cover JDPriestly Jun 2015 #46

And they very successful in scaring some of their members into thinking Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #48

Around the world, people hunt and eat what they kill, and most other countries in which JDPriestly Jun 2015 #66

The problem isn't gun owners BainsBane Jun 2015 #54

Very true, NRA thinks everyone should have guns, manufactured by the groups they represent Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #80

Then you are guilty, and have blood on your hands. According to this DU poster. oneshooter Jun 2015 #77

Very good post TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #5

I call them "The #2s". Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #36

LOL BainsBane Jun 2015 #39

"My right trumps your dead." From the 3-11-2013 speech of Aaron Weiss. Paladin Jun 2015 #6

According to gun nuts, yes. Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #7

I think lumping all gun rights defenders together is inaccurate cali Jun 2015 #8

Don't confuse "gun owners" with "gun rights activists." Paladin Jun 2015 #16

I didn't. The OP used the phrase gun defenders. cali Jun 2015 #23

I would agree with that distinction and that is why drray23 Jun 2015 #29

Our resident gun rights cadre has more leeway now than they used to. Paladin Jun 2015 #30

Well said nt Mojorabbit Jun 2015 #43

That's what makes them the moral equivalent of climate deniers. villager Jun 2015 #9

It's not an either/or question Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #10

I am told the Deacons for Defense saw no dichotemy. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #11

For many in this benighted idiocracy, hifiguy Jun 2015 #12

Not mutually exclusive One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #13

No, in the same way that the right to free speech doesn't trump crimes involving speech aikoaiko Jun 2015 #14

False dichotomy. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #15

+1. It's so ridiculous pintobean Jun 2015 #75

Gun owners literally have more rights than non-gun owners in the U.S. onehandle Jun 2015 #17

Specifically, what rights do you believe gun owners have that you don't? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #18

In Texas, for example, a CCW license is ok ID to vote, while a University Student ID card isn't. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #41

a CCW license is issued by the government cali Jun 2015 #44

You went and ruined a perfectly good rant with inconvenient truth friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #49

So are driver's licenses- so what's your point? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #51

I answered the question you posed in post #18 with a specific example. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #52

What has this "right" to use another form of ID while voting deprived others of? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #53

It is harder for a university student (with photo ID) to vote than for a gun toter. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #55

The id is not government owned yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #57

It doesn't bother the state of Kansas NoGOPZone Jun 2015 #67

Is the student ID issued by the state? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #58

An obvious attempt to hang the Voter ID thing on gun owners friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #60

Yep Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #65

Not only that, most gun owners don't *have* ID cards-not required where they live friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #68

I doubt he will nt Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #74

It seems that gratuitous swipe didn't work out as planned... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #84

The difference, as I'm sure you know, is that a university ID isn't a govt issued ID, GGJohn Jun 2015 #59

Gun-averse Massachusetts allows Firearms ID cards to be used as proof of residence... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #61

How dare you introduce facts into the conversation. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #64

Exactly. SoapBox Jun 2015 #19

There can be no civil rights at the expense of another. tymorial Jun 2015 #20

This is not an ether or arguement. imthevicar Jun 2015 #21

Live by the sword, die by the sword... americannightmare Jun 2015 #22

there are many cases where two people are armed and the murderer kills the innocent one samsingh Jun 2015 #25

in America, yes Skittles Jun 2015 #26

k&r CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #27

And we can have guns HassleCat Jun 2015 #28

Apparently yes. SheilaT Jun 2015 #31

According to some gun advocates, yes Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #32

Then there's this group... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #37

"Your right to live is not on the Bill of Rights." Matrosov Jun 2015 #42

Does the right to get intoxicated trump the right to not die from drunk drivers and criminals? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #45

There is no right to get intoxicated outside your own home BainsBane Jun 2015 #56

Wow. So little fact in that post. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #63

"Just stop working to ensure felons have access" Any evidence NU is doing such a thing? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #70

"The only thing you criticize is people who want to stop that." beevul Jun 2015 #73

Things would be so much better if you could trouble yourself to lose the snotty rhetoric. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #78

Outside of video extremists... beevul Jun 2015 #47

Does my right to not self-incriminate trump your right to life? X_Digger Jun 2015 #62

No. Ban all guns!! n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #69

And what are *you* doing to that effect, aside from parroting that phrase? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #71

Do you believe the same as this poster? oneshooter Jun 2015 #79

When dealing with bullies seveneyes Jun 2015 #72

Hell, not only is owning guns not a trump it's not even a high card! rock Jun 2015 #81

Yes, always has and always will. In another time it would be, "do spears trump the right to live?" Rex Jun 2015 #83