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jeff47

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8. Ok, let's pretend you're in this church.

Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:56 PM

Jun 2015

You're sitting there. A guy walks in and sits down in the back. Doesn't do much for an hour. You hear a noise behind you as he gets up.

You think "Hey, I wonder why the facial expression of the person in front of me just changed. They seem to be scared and looking behind me." So you turn around in your seat and, oops, the bullet's already inside your skull.

We are the most armed first-world nation on the planet. If your theory about armed civilians preventing violent crime was true, we should be among the safest first-world nations on the planet. We aren't. Repeated experiments show that an armed person in the crowd does not react fast enough, nor accurately enough, to the sudden appearance of a shooter in order to prevent their shooting spree.

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So how the hell are we supposed to know? [View all] Atman Jun 2015 OP

K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #1

The gun fanciers would have thrown fit if someone had asked him to leave because Hoyt Jun 2015 #2

No they wouldn't and you it because the gungeon endorses respecting private property rights. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #7

Yeah, gungeoneers have supported shooting a kid rummaging through a trash can on gunner's property Hoyt Jun 2015 #14

Changing subjects because you can't back up your rhetoric with facts. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #16

Why don't you gunners just go the fuck away for a while HERVEPA Jun 2015 #54

Because you don't like what we have to say? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #56

Yes. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #57

Tough. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #58

Because you just want your fucking guns and have zero empathy or common sense HERVEPA Jun 2015 #61

The same can be said of your comrades on this issue. GGJohn Jun 2015 #64

So what's to be done with the heaven05 Jun 2015 #78

That's a tough one, being a racist is not illegal, GGJohn Jun 2015 #80

if their parents and heaven05 Jun 2015 #82

Thank you for the reasoned and thoughtful reply, GGJohn Jun 2015 #83

No facts for the rhetoric so you have nothing left but to hopefully bully others. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #70

+1000. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #81

No. Property rights are paramount hack89 Jun 2015 #12

Yeah, right. Hoyt Jun 2015 #15

Here you go. RKBA advocates siding with property owners -- Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #84

Yeap, make it easier to kill people with guns is what they're doing with these laws uponit7771 Jun 2015 #3

Ok, let's pretend you're in this church. jeff47 Jun 2015 #8

+1 G_j Jun 2015 #13

+Brazilian Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #19

+1 : Perhaps if you're wearing body armor and are trained for instant response erronis Jun 2015 #23

John Hinckley Jr. demonstrates that trained for instant response isn't even enough. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #37

+a zillion truebluegreen Jun 2015 #59

I feel my right is to be able to come and go madokie Jun 2015 #4

People should keep their guns at home Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #20

Fetishism madokie Jun 2015 #30

They have action-movie-inspired or video-game-inspired fantasies where they save the day. jeff47 Jun 2015 #5

Silly, Atman. If they're white, you're safe. If they're black, police will shoot them on sight. arcane1 Jun 2015 #6

Actually he DOESN'T have the right to carry... brooklynite Jun 2015 #9

Not to mention - I doubt he was concerned with the laws much regardless. /nt TampaAnimusVortex Jun 2015 #36

in an syg state open carry people can be shot out of fear for safety Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #10

This may be helpful to some... Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #24

That's pure unadulterated bullshit. GGJohn Jun 2015 #48

im sure we'll get the chance to find out if that's true Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #49

Maybe you should study up on the requirements for a successful SYG defense GGJohn Jun 2015 #50

The church could have asked him to leave. Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #11

Maybe they feel he's someone looking for help. Hoyt Jun 2015 #18

Ask him to leave? Remember he's there for a purpose. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #26

I thought the SC law permitted him to carry in a church. Ilsa Jun 2015 #32

No. Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #34

No. Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #35

How would anyone know if someone was illegally concealing a weapon until it was too late? pnwmom Jun 2015 #42

Here's the thing, GGJohn Jun 2015 #51

He wasn't open-carrying. There's security camera footage of him entering the church. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #38

They may not have known he had a gun...I noticed a squarish fannypack one him in the pic Lars39 Jun 2015 #39

It's only a matter of time kcr Jun 2015 #73

Send a note to Governor Nikki malaise Jun 2015 #17

Fuck open carry. And fuck concealed carry. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #21

I don't agree with you on much, Nye, but on this, you are absolutely 100% correct. KitSileya Jun 2015 #47

Hmmm. GGJohn Jun 2015 #52

You been under a rock? President Obama isn't a progressive. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #63

He isn't a progressive, and neither are you. KitSileya Jun 2015 #68

Progressives also care about rights, GGJohn Jun 2015 #69

Bullshit. KitSileya Jun 2015 #71

I disagree about the 2A as do the majority of your fellow Americans. GGJohn Jun 2015 #74

You do that. KitSileya Jun 2015 #76

^^ Almost PERFECT. Atman Jun 2015 #77

... GGJohn Jun 2015 #53

Yes. a load of excrement HERVEPA Jun 2015 #55

Are we agreeing again? GGJohn Jun 2015 #60

Please re-ask question in English language HERVEPA Jun 2015 #62

Fixed. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #65

a country with a gun on every streetcorner isn't saving itself from a police state, MisterP Jun 2015 #22

Anyone that needs to parade around openly carrying their weapons has issues. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #25

"Normal" people have consideration of other people and the way they affect them. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #27

Like I said "issues" hobbit709 Jun 2015 #28

Issues is a nice term. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #40

Yesterday talked with a couple that lives in Atlanta... SoapBox Jun 2015 #29

Considering there has never been a shooting at Hartsfield-Jackson Int'l airport Calista241 Jun 2015 #46

Ammosexual whore legislators don't give a shit about us in Ammomerica. nt valerief Jun 2015 #31

Too bad so many of the pro gun types don't even like to hear questions. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jun 2015 #41

Pathological society Fairgo Jun 2015 #43

^^ Great post! Atman Jun 2015 #45

^this^ truebluegreen Jun 2015 #66

Concealed, open . . . does it matter? Vinca Jun 2015 #44

And how is that going to happen? yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #75

It's not going to happen. It's wishful thinking. Vinca Jun 2015 #79

We're not supposed to know, and that's part of the fun for these gun humpers. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #67

what law or surveillance would stop illegal concealed carry? alc Jun 2015 #72