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MrScorpio

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128. He identified as black because he wanted to make black music...

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:54 PM

Jun 2015

Don't forget that he's also a product of his time. A time when so-called "race music" was being rejected by the vast majority of white people in this country.

Otis was one of quite a few whites who strove to transport black music and black culture to white audiences. It's just that his racial ambiguity allowed him to use an angle of a supposed black person. No matter what he looked and sounded like, he was always a Greek-American.

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There's no such thing as "Transracial" [View all] MrScorpio Jun 2015 OP

As I said in another thread, I am waiting for studies to see. yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #1

She FELT black?? missingthebigdog Jun 2015 #32

Well you'll have to ask her. I don't have those feeling when I was young yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #49

She felt so black at age five, in her 20's she sued Howard joeybee12 Jun 2015 #36

She lost the lawsuits goldent Jun 2015 #66

That could explain it! joeybee12 Jun 2015 #68

ROFL malaise Jun 2015 #79

She really does need help...nt joeybee12 Jun 2015 #81

I suspect she is a habitual liar. Chemisse Jun 2015 #77

That's kinda weird. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #107

Were you in an environment where everybody was white? Person 2713 Jun 2015 #151

It's simple. Avalux Jun 2015 #130

Then anybody can identify as any non-real race, religion or class prayin4rain Jun 2015 #134

Certainly not. Identification isn't the issue - masquerading and lying is the issue. Avalux Jun 2015 #137

I thought your first post prayin4rain Jun 2015 #138

You got my first post correct. Avalux Jun 2015 #142

I hadn't heard about a fake medical condition? prayin4rain Jun 2015 #143

I can't believe this keeps having to be said. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #2

K&R Solly Mack Jun 2015 #3

I'm with you on this. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2015 #4

Excellent. cali Jun 2015 #5

Excellent and definitive article nt MrScorpio Jun 2015 #11

This is key! malaise Jun 2015 #88

All I know wendylaroux Jun 2015 #6

Super wrong in many ways -- still brazen and amazing! Freelancer Jun 2015 #7

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2015 #8

Really well said. eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #9

It's too bad the discussion wasn't more about race versus culture. Warpy Jun 2015 #10

According to what I've read, she represented herself as African American on applications. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #13

Is DNA the only determinant of who a person is? Warpy Jun 2015 #15

Race is physical MohRokTah Jun 2015 #17

So is gender. Warpy Jun 2015 #18

Only very light African American people could gollygee Jun 2015 #25

But so is gender.physical...right down to the DNA in every cell in the body. zeemike Jun 2015 #22

Gender goes beyond the physical DNA structure, race does not. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #26

So you can feel like the opposite sex but not like you are black. zeemike Jun 2015 #33

A white person who self identifies as black is the perfect example of white privilege. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #34

There is nothing to stop them from self identifying as white of feeling that way zeemike Jun 2015 #41

OH YES THERE FUCKING IS!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #44

When the yelling begins I quit. zeemike Jun 2015 #54

Well fucking good. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #60

The fact that people won't accept them has everything to do with it gollygee Jun 2015 #61

Discrimination was created not race. zeemike Jun 2015 #89

Race is not biological gollygee Jun 2015 #97

Not so . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #42

Excellent post Spazito Jun 2015 #52

Well stated. n/t DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #55

+1 gollygee Jun 2015 #62

well stated.nt stage left Jun 2015 #64

How do we know there is no such thing as intrinsic racial identity? zeemike Jun 2015 #98

How do we know there's no such thing as intrinsic disabled identity? Major Nikon Jun 2015 #154

Well we don't sense identity is a product of the mind not biology. zeemike Jun 2015 #155

The reason being protected classes can't be directly compared Major Nikon Jun 2015 #156

In short, all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. zeemike Jun 2015 #157

So, you are saying it's so....because you say it's so sub.theory Jun 2015 #102

No, not because I say it's so . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #148

Since we can't see into her brain pnwmom Jun 2015 #131

That is one of the clearest explanations I have seen, thank you Maeve Jun 2015 #133

Atypical gender identities likely have a physical or genetic origin. Chemisse Jun 2015 #87

And so does skin colour.. and that is not just likely but a fact. zeemike Jun 2015 #94

Only if black people are allowed to be white. bravenak Jun 2015 #115

The school district somehow labeled my light skinned, blue eyed, blond daughter DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2015 #29

I got in trouble in 1970s when had to fill out a questionnaire to graduate uppityperson Jun 2015 #45

I guess things have progressed slightly. DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2015 #51

She wasn't brought up with her black adopted brothers. Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2015 #69

It was not a paid position. notadmblnd Jun 2015 #84

"Transracial" is like "Affluenza". MohRokTah Jun 2015 #12

Borrowing a word from religion: AMEN n/t etherealtruth Jun 2015 #46

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #47

Oh Lord, YES! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #92

There are only about 6 black folks in this town, barely enough for the cops to beat up on. jtuck004 Jun 2015 #14

Dolezal is only black when it's convenient. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #16

Well said n/t Spazito Jun 2015 #19

“Damn, Rachel Dolezal. Even Vanilla Ice didn’t claim to BE black”: W. Kamau Bell KamaAina Jun 2015 #20

This sounds absurd. jalan48 Jun 2015 #21

I wonder if she understands how badly she has hurt the Exilednight Jun 2015 #23

how has she hurt the racial struggles? handmade34 Jun 2015 #30

I have known many trans racial people in my life maindawg Jun 2015 #24

So, tell us . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #65

its a cultural thing maindawg Jun 2015 #116

"Dress and act like people of color" ???? gollygee Jun 2015 #71

it's about whether we we are in the group that gets discriminated against or not. maindawg Jun 2015 #118

Thanks for outing yourself. n/t gollygee Jun 2015 #119

Gosh, no transphobia in your post... Spazito Jun 2015 #122

Every one of those people was a white person playing at being black. Codeine Jun 2015 #90

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #117

tell that to Johnny Otis uhnope Jun 2015 #27

I heard her say TNNurse Jun 2015 #28

Yep. That right there ^^^ beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #31

I just saw her on NBC TNNurse Jun 2015 #53

Classic behaviour for a pathological liar. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #57

why? handmade34 Jun 2015 #35

LOL! stage left Jun 2015 #72

I agree with you, but I do kind of feel sorry for her though. dawg Jun 2015 #37

Not sure about that LittleBlue Jun 2015 #38

There may be no such previous thing in language, the post-modernists HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #39

When a black man can "self identify" as a white man and cops stop pulling him over.... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #40

Has she undergone treatments to change her skin color? jalan48 Jun 2015 #43

The Jerk - I was born a poor black child. Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #48

Thank you, thank you, thank you ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #50

For those who doubt that 'race' (unlike gender) is 100% socially constructed . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #56

Completely correct sub.theory Jun 2015 #80

Someone has to explain it to her.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #58

in grade school + childhood, i always preferred making black friends. much easier in the hood. BUT pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #59

In adoptionland transracial is a term that POCs adopted by white people use to self-identify me b zola Jun 2015 #63

Thank you for starting a separate thread about this! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #99

I agree. stage left Jun 2015 #67

Her motto: It's not a lie if you believe it. betsuni Jun 2015 #70

Mariah Carey migsan Jun 2015 #73

She is multiracial gollygee Jun 2015 #74

Your correct migsan Jun 2015 #82

because one of their parents' is black shanti Jun 2015 #96

"its a bad thing" if your parents are lily white and you claim one of them is black. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #100

Multiracial people (white and African American) are usually treated as black by society gollygee Jun 2015 #149

agreed Skittles Jun 2015 #75

Race is far more nebulous than gender sub.theory Jun 2015 #76

Please see post #42, which addresses your question n/t markpkessinger Jun 2015 #83

I love her. JanetLovesObama Jun 2015 #85

She SUED Howard University for discrimination! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #91

Of course it's not. 840high Jun 2015 #103

Tell that to the poster who wants to give her the Arthur Ashe courage award. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #104

I hope you're joking. 840high Jun 2015 #109

Those parents ! JanetLovesObama Jun 2015 #78

If she said it hasppened - I don't believe her. 840high Jun 2015 #108

Setting Rachel Dolezal aside, race is pretty much a construct AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #86

#2 is not English MrsMatt Jun 2015 #164

Thank you. lovemydog Jun 2015 #93

I don't what to think of the entire situation... 99Forever Jun 2015 #95

As a light skinned black woman who people look at tblue Jun 2015 #101

+1 well said! nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #129

Thank you. K/r 840high Jun 2015 #105

I appreciate this post so very much. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #106

There's different angles for the pro or cons. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2015 #132

You don't know her! Omnith Jun 2015 #110

Oh, please. Frankly, I'm not certain that this woman even knows herself. MrScorpio Jun 2015 #111

Perhaps Omnith Jun 2015 #113

I have no need to cut her or any of her lies any slack. MrScorpio Jun 2015 #114

There wouldn't Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #112

+1 lovemydog Jun 2015 #121

I've got to part company with you on this . . . Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #120

"I was born a black person in a white body…" MrScorpio Jun 2015 #123

That's rather an ungenerous view of Johnny Otis. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #126

He identified as black because he wanted to make black music... MrScorpio Jun 2015 #128

correct Skittles Jun 2015 #139

Thanks! MrScorpio Jun 2015 #141

absolutely Skittles Jun 2015 #147

Demeaning the opposing views of others as Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #158

I will always demean the opposing view of bigots Skittles Jun 2015 #159

Alerting on this. nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #160

Alert failed, but just barely. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #162

Thanks, Comrade. Was trying to have Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #163

There's anything we want to be...for instance yesterday I declared myself a unicorn. ileus Jun 2015 #124

If you can shit us up some vibrant rainbows... MrScorpio Jun 2015 #125

How about if I just fix X-ray equipment??? ileus Jun 2015 #127

Says who? BKH70041 Jun 2015 #135

Dolezal has lied to support her case that she's a black woman in a white body... MrScorpio Jun 2015 #144

My opinion is that it ultimately won't matter. BKH70041 Jun 2015 #146

No, it's not. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #150

No such thing as transracial plstephen Jun 2015 #136

Rachel Dolezal tried to pull... jjewell Jun 2015 #140

+1 lovemydog Jun 2015 #145

How about Trans nationality? fadedrose Jun 2015 #152

That would make immigration easier n/t gollygee Jun 2015 #153

do you walk like an Egyptian, fadedrose? Skittles Jun 2015 #161