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TBF

(31,921 posts)
99. Exactly - and the people who want to do that are likely
Sun May 13, 2012, 09:34 PM
May 2012

doing it to undermine consenting civil unions between ANY adults. Just a backdoor homophobic question in my view ...

Marriage poll [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 OP
So people who are married would no longer be legally related? XemaSab May 2012 #1
In the dictionary sense... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #4
If I understand the question: not gonna happen. Nt xchrom May 2012 #2
I kind of figured that. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #5
As heard on Thom Hartmann... Permanut May 2012 #3
marriage began as... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #6
But it's a civil contract NOW. xchrom May 2012 #7
Yes... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #8
I favor it if it is not for all consenting adults. etherealtruth May 2012 #21
I not clear... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #24
I favor [your response] ... with my caveat etherealtruth May 2012 #32
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #39
No, it didn't. jeff47 May 2012 #145
What's your point? discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #147
My point is that your claim is wrong jeff47 May 2012 #148
Very true... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #151
Someone has to record them. jeff47 May 2012 #155
It's been 30 years... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #156
And I've had to do so multiple times jeff47 May 2012 #162
My point isn't... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #163
Ok, you're unconscious in the hospital. jeff47 May 2012 #164
Shame on my spouse... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #165
So did your insurance company find out who your spouse is using telepathy? Bluenorthwest May 2012 #177
That's because it is automatic, kid. Bluenorthwest May 2012 #176
I didn't say... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #183
you're part of the problem because when the LGBT community was about to gain marriage rights CreekDog Feb 2016 #208
Marriage may predate all modern religions, but superstition has probably been around even longer MNBrewer May 2012 #189
Except the anti-"Gay Marriage" people are basing it on Christianity. jeff47 May 2012 #200
This is what I don't like... cynatnite May 2012 #9
so then... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #11
I'm not saying that... cynatnite May 2012 #14
In a word... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #19
This is one time when it should be legislated.. cynatnite May 2012 #26
nutjobs discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #28
Agreed. I just did a bit of reading on polygamy... cynatnite May 2012 #33
Don't get all... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #38
So there is some other institution in our country for enforcing contracts? eridani May 2012 #96
I think you'd have better luck... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #98
So, you are agreeing that the government, and only the government, enforces collection? eridani May 2012 #100
Yes but... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #102
Which is legally a contract between two people n/t eridani May 2012 #107
That is the current reality. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #110
And the alternative to the government for dealing with contract disputes is what? eridani May 2012 #116
Settling a disagreement... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #118
Where else but at state archives would such records be kept? n/t eridani May 2012 #121
I'm not quite sure what you're driving at. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #126
Not all people can afford personal attorneys, and records get lost eridani May 2012 #136
Of course there are big common sense issues with it... But ideologically I'm with you. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #10
other options exist discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #12
Most personal matters, like faith and love are better without government involvement, yes. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #13
There is no essential reason for marriage to be... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #16
Marriage is not a religious practice jeff47 May 2012 #146
Religions WERE civil law for most of recorded history. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #166
Because Caesar existed for all of the Roman Republic/Empire jeff47 May 2012 #169
The Romans ran an empire, and they did not impose their own religion onto Bluenorthwest May 2012 #178
Interesting facts. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #203
You forgot the "Hell NO!" option RC May 2012 #15
And aside from... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #25
See post #17 RC May 2012 #72
I feel like I've heard this argument before. Iggo May 2012 #17
Not "get rid of" discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #22
I'm not sure you phrased that right. nt alphafemale May 2012 #18
Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #20
I don't hate the idea, but I am against it, so I can't accurately vote in your poll. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #23
You could hit the "Pass" button :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #27
That would pass the time, but it wouldn't mean very much. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #35
You seem to be a very precise person. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #104
I try. Thank you for noticing. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #106
Marriage grants important legal rights NutmegYankee May 2012 #29
These same entitlements... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #30
Please detail then. NutmegYankee May 2012 #34
Whatever you need... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #36
So why not keep them available in the package they are in now? Why go fill out numerous forms, file uppityperson May 2012 #47
The lawyer is probably cheaper than a wedding. ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #57
wtf? No. Here in WA it costs $35-65 for a license, depending on the county. License fees are much uppityperson May 2012 #60
Because now gay people want them, too, silly. Iggo May 2012 #61
You must be a lawyer... NutmegYankee May 2012 #49
That's a negative! discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #53
Not immigration. wickerwoman May 2012 #204
I would suggest... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #205
How would that work with immigration and green cards? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2012 #31
Same as now... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #37
How can it work "the same as now, but without marriage"? Nye Bevan May 2012 #50
No. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #56
So you would prevent Americans from marriage to those outside the country. Bluenorthwest May 2012 #179
bad hat discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #185
Well you have not provided, in your little system treestar May 2012 #197
I would suggest... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #199
Yes, please anything to avoid letting TEH GAY have the M word! Warren DeMontague May 2012 #40
"avoid letting TEH GAY have the M word!" discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #42
Saying "get rid of civil marriage entirely" is a no sale argument, not to mention Warren DeMontague May 2012 #44
Well the equal rights aspect... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #51
Good luck with that. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #52
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #55
he wasn't actually wishing you good luck CreekDog Feb 2016 #209
I'm not actually wishing you good luck either. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #210
That's ok CreekDog Feb 2016 #211
~ discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #212
Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair. H2O Man May 2012 #41
Why? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #43
Obvious answer: H2O Man May 2012 #45
If all those legal things are available otherwise, I don't get why you don't want them available. uppityperson May 2012 #46
I this what you meant? SoutherDem May 2012 #48
I would be fine... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #54
If it's quite alright with you MattBaggins May 2012 #70
Why not just have... Chellee May 2012 #132
This is essentially... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #133
I do not believe marriage should have privileges not given to other types of relationships. alarimer May 2012 #58
I would prefer... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #62
It is funny to me that those who say that are ALWAYS married themselves Bluenorthwest May 2012 #184
My wife and I... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #186
Nope....I'm all for the civil union recognized by the government taking precedence ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #59
I vote "pass" though I agree in princple, in reality it doesn't work that way. joshcryer May 2012 #63
"Marriage conveys rights that non-married people don't have..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #68
You didn't read the rest of my post. That's what society endows marriage, not some magical... joshcryer May 2012 #69
It is easy... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #78
Yes. And we'd call it marriage, because that contract has, by our societal standards... joshcryer May 2012 #108
My route eliminates... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #112
Your route requires institutions to stop recognizing the institution of marriage. joshcryer May 2012 #123
It has nothing to do with "fairness" and everything to do with reality MattBaggins May 2012 #71
Why is it okay... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #79
Can't have it both ways. Signing a legal document conveys rights that those who don't sign don't uppityperson May 2012 #73
I don't think it's fair that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #80
DUers HELP please? I can never remember the difference between a strawman and a red herring. uppityperson May 2012 #85
At your service discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #88
The poster is for relationship equality, but against marriage. joshcryer May 2012 #109
I think we mostly agree... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #130
It's a slippery slope. If you advocate for this (which is in theory more egalitarian)... joshcryer May 2012 #134
And yet you are personally married. As are all of the folks who claim they are 'against it in Bluenorthwest May 2012 #187
Were the government to... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #190
There are all sorts of civil things that accrue to SheilaT May 2012 #64
IMHO... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #66
Chances are, in the hypothetical case of the SheilaT May 2012 #137
Thanks for the thoughtful response. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #140
and undo hundreds of years in women's rights? no thanks. La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #65
Which rights are you talking about? discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #67
For starters, the right to inherit property and other such spousal rights. uppityperson May 2012 #74
I had no trouble... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #75
Nonsequitur. eom uppityperson May 2012 #84
Irony ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #87
Civil Marriage provides legal protections. It's a contract. So the govt has to be involved, if you Honeycombe8 May 2012 #76
"It's a contract. So the govt has to be involved..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #82
Of course not every contract demands a fee but laws and contracts are by civil, ie government, autho uppityperson May 2012 #86
A contract is... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #89
If it is legal, the gvt is involved. eom uppityperson May 2012 #90
You are free to believe as you wish. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #91
And you are free to believe that "while legally binding and potentially court enforceable" has uppityperson May 2012 #92
If The Contract Is Breached, What Do You Do? ProfessorGAC May 2012 #139
A family unit is good thing. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #141
Yes, gvt does approve participation of the parties. Can a 6 yr old sign a legal contract for S-corp? uppityperson May 2012 #93
We are and are discussing adults and adult actions here. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #94
It is sexual ORIENTATION, not "sexual preference". Orientation is hard wired, preference not uppityperson May 2012 #95
I'm an engineer. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #97
Exactly - and the people who want to do that are likely TBF May 2012 #99
It could be just a contract treestar May 2012 #198
i think marriage should mean something. barbtries May 2012 #77
Me too. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #81
AN UPDATE: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #83
for the record barbtries May 2012 #101
Yay! discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #103
question.... unkachuck May 2012 #105
Question.... uppityperson May 2012 #111
'If "marriage" was gotten rid of, could you never have sex?' unkachuck May 2012 #113
Why would anyone outlaw marriage? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #115
Why would anyone outlaw it for those of the same sex? n/t uppityperson May 2012 #117
I asked you first. :) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #120
Because. uppityperson May 2012 #124
Have a great time. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #128
You made a reference to marriage being outlawed. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #144
Outlawed, taken outside the law. The law being put in place by the gvt. uppityperson May 2012 #154
You and your intended... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #114
"You and your intended..." unkachuck May 2012 #119
I can think of a number of strategies but... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #122
What? Take a doctor's advice over that of an anonymous internet forum poster? uppityperson May 2012 #125
I know my limits. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #127
Unfortunately the legal aspect of marriage is important. Renew Deal May 2012 #129
Could you be more specific... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #131
Property, children, who is and isn't married... Renew Deal May 2012 #135
This whole "burn it all down" thing seems to crop up any time progress is made for gay civil rights. The Link May 2012 #138
I didn't primarily have gay civil rights in mind. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #143
But you are yourself married, so clearly you don't have yourself in mind either.... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #194
Maybe if I used CAPITAL letters. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #195
There is not enough information to make a decision Taverner May 2012 #142
Why do you feel that way? Blue_Tires May 2012 #149
Because... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #153
ok... Blue_Tires May 2012 #158
I get that what I propose... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #161
You have it backwards. kristopher May 2012 #150
No I don't. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #152
Beats letting religious institutions do it. kristopher May 2012 #157
rules, religion and discrimination discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #159
Whatever happens, it has to be EXACTLY IDENTICAL v-a-v straight/gay closeupready May 2012 #160
Marriage is still the most straightforward way to convey inheritance rights OmahaBlueDog May 2012 #167
True enough! discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #168
Since laws are the government, how do you propose gvt getting out of anything to do with uppityperson May 2012 #170
I would prefer... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #171
How can you have legal things without the gvt? Laws are passed, implemented, upheld, BY the gvt. uppityperson May 2012 #172
I sign a contact with... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #173
So you just don't want to have to get "permission", not have gvt out of legal affairs. uppityperson May 2012 #174
"statutes in most states are far too restrictive" discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #180
That's utterly false. Many people make their own pre nuptial agreements which define the Bluenorthwest May 2012 #188
You proved my point. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #191
No, you said all marriages are made out of a preset contract to which the parties can only agree Bluenorthwest May 2012 #192
I don't recall... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #193
Kick. sarcasmo May 2012 #175
Thanks for the kick. :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #182
i've always felt that laws and policies promoting long-term, monogamous relationships would benefit maggiesfarmer May 2012 #181
I'm not sure that I disagree with you that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #196
My government represents me, at least partially, or it has failed. WriteWrong May 2012 #201
I can accept that. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #202
Hate the idea tabbycat31 May 2012 #206
Okay by me. n/t :) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #207
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