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Recursion

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105. Nope. Look at the chart
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:38 AM
Jun 2015

Look at what happens after 1994 compared to before.



Things got better after NAFTA. Compensation rose, after 25 years of losing ground.

EDIT: I helpfully included a red vertical line showing when NAFTA was. Would you rather have worked in the 20 years before that red line, or the 20 years after?

EDIT AGAIN: They also break it out by gender (but remember that this is cumulative, and women are starting from a lower median salary in 1970, so women don't actually end up making more than men):



Again, which side of that red line would you prefer to work in? (If you're male it's roughly a wash; white male incomes have been treading water since 1970 or so.)

Ok then. nt DURHAM D Jun 2015 #1
If she is not against it then she is for it. If she was against it she would have come out swinging snagglepuss Jun 2015 #2
She has no answers because she's for it bigdarryl Jun 2015 #3
Obama is trying to push the monster through Congress before Hillary comes out with her JDPriestly Jun 2015 #27
She has the option to rally her substantial base to oppose at the very least fast track. snagglepuss Jun 2015 #54
She favors the TPP. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #100
In a world were you can't be sure your candidate can win you grasp for straws. upaloopa Jun 2015 #12
Interesting that you don't defend her stand, you don't defend the TPP, why is that? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #18
So, where do you think Hillary stands on the TPP? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #30
Yep. What a pickle to be in. Can't pick a side because HRC hasn't told her swooners which side to GoneFishin Jun 2015 #97
Since the alternative is a corporacratic nightmare demwing Jun 2015 #75
Oh no you don't. I've waited to for her VIEW on this as it cuts Medicare. I tolerated Keystone... TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #83
"You're either with us, or you are with the terrorists" George W. Bush MohRokTah Jun 2015 #29
Do you support the TPP? sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #98
The more I hear from folks like you and others on DU... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #116
That makes no sense. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #122
I vote for Democrats who are real Democrats. truedelphi Jun 2015 #4
You are in good company because nobody is going to vote for your mythical Dem. upaloopa Jun 2015 #13
What? No one has ever voted in a Jackie Spier? Or a John Garamendi? n/t truedelphi Jun 2015 #19
You may not have noticed ... GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #5
Well neither do we, but we have an opinion. MoonchildCA Jun 2015 #8
Here is good information. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #33
I think everyone knows that. GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #10
She has voice. It was glaringly silent. 99Forever Jun 2015 #15
What difference does that make? She supports the TPP and other killer rhett o rick Jun 2015 #20
She could do what leaders are supposed to do which is to rally her base to demand snagglepuss Jun 2015 #56
But she's asking for one demwing Jun 2015 #82
Beginning of the End for Hillary # 45.. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #6
HRC's Waterloo, I tell ya! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #7
Bernie okasha Jun 2015 #67
Keep dreaming. Better get used to saying Madame President! leftofcool Jun 2015 #9
I will keep dreaming, dreaming of a government not controlled by the billionaires. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #21
As long as it is not "President Fiorina" that you are talking about. eom. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #31
One can only hope. GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #11
Thank you for playing! OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #14
Beginning of the end of President Obama's administration as well? brooklynite Jun 2015 #16
If Tom Hartman said it, well... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #17
That post says all I need to know about you. 99Forever Jun 2015 #22
He fawns all over Robert Kennedy when Kennedy pushes his anti-vaxxer bullshit. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #24
Thom tells it like it is and to you that's woo. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #23
Yeah, anti-vaxxer bullshit and JFK theories. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #26
Kennedy talks about the thimerosal component of the multiple vaccines. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #35
Kennedy is an anti-vax woo merchant. Nothing more MohRokTah Jun 2015 #36
Did you read the link I provided? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #39
I listened to him push anti-vax woo LIVE on the Thom Hartmann show. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #43
I also have listened to Kennedy on WCPT. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #48
Saying the vaccines could be dangerous is not anti-vaxxer. WDIM Jun 2015 #86
Everything he has to say about Thimerisol is wrong and is woo, eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #118
Who cares about the anti-vaxxers? Only You because its a great way to hijack a TPP Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #64
+1 AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #115
I am guessing you don't like anyone that might dare to question authority. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #84
No. I despise merchants of woo like Hartmann and Kennedy. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #117
I see, Truth = woo. Don't speak out against the authority. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #119
I think the 8 days for the "I didn't want to carry 2 phones" Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #25
Was her private server hacked by the Chinese when the rest of the govt was hacked? Hekate Jun 2015 #71
Bwahahah... The rest of the government!!!! Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #93
I can't speak for anyone fredamae Jun 2015 #28
Here's a link to Senator Sanders remarks on HRC's stance GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #32
Here is a reply to Senator Sanders. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #34
Good to hear. GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #40
All Hillary needs to do is tell us where she stands. Vinca Jun 2015 #37
here Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #42
Ooooh, she has 'problems" with a couple of provisions! markpkessinger Jun 2015 #55
Did you see this in her statement? I did not see that. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #59
Not explicitly . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #61
Wait until she says something to the effect before jumping on the wagon Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #65
I have to assume that if was an area of significant concern to her . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #66
This is why we wait. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #78
TPP is a total game changer, if you are alive & breathing & don't understand how screwed people and mother earth Jun 2015 #38
Actually, the vast majority of likely voters simply don't give shit. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #45
YET. They soon will feel its impact & there is no room for complacency on anyone's part. mother earth Jun 2015 #49
If it goes anything like after NAFTA... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #60
NAFTA was a great success? I beg to differ...or perhaps it was successful for the corporations? mother earth Jun 2015 #88
Were you working in the late 1990s and early 2000s? Recursion Jun 2015 #101
Supporting NAFTA Was the Kiss of Death for Democrats --Why Dems Should Think Twice About Voting for mother earth Jun 2015 #120
The reality of NAFTA: same link from huffpo, there's no shortage of articles on NAFTA failures. mother earth Jun 2015 #121
With or without an equity bubble? MFrohike Jun 2015 #92
I'll turn that back at you: point to the damage Recursion Jun 2015 #102
Challenge accepted MFrohike Jun 2015 #103
Nope. Look at the chart Recursion Jun 2015 #105
heh MFrohike Jun 2015 #107
Where are you getting 1995? You should read your link. Plus it said "real income" Recursion Jun 2015 #108
Check the chart again MFrohike Jun 2015 #109
Oh, I see, you don't care that average workers were making more money after NAFTA Recursion Jun 2015 #110
Nice bullshit you got there MFrohike Jun 2015 #111
400K jobs to Mexico in a period during which 23 million jobs were created Recursion Jun 2015 #112
Wonk wonk wonk MFrohike Jun 2015 #113
There, that worked pretty well. We both made arguments Recursion Jun 2015 #114
You can ask the average Democratic voter what TPP is and they will say "What?" leftofcool Jun 2015 #50
So far, that may be true, come the election it may well not be so. Naysayers, I'm repeating, TPP is mother earth Jun 2015 #52
And you think that says something positive about the "average Democratic voter"? tularetom Jun 2015 #53
Politicans are elected to give a damn, a damn about people not snagglepuss Jun 2015 #58
Where is Hillary's leadership when it's needed the most? Martin Eden Jun 2015 #41
Here Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #44
That is not Leadership. Martin Eden Jun 2015 #51
Your opinion, a real leader gathers the information before making decisions, makes Hillary very Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #57
Well the clock is ticking. If she needs more time than she should snagglepuss Jun 2015 #62
Is she in the line of passing TPP? No, in fact this will be decided before she could Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #68
What do you mean non-issue? She is an American isnt she? She and every one snagglepuss Jun 2015 #94
Hillary will not be voting on TPP or signing it after it passes in Congress. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #96
Considering that she's already called it the "Gold Standard of trade agreements", Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #70
She is a leader, she has not seen the final agreement, she will not be forced into going in either Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #73
Oh, for crying out loud Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #74
My thoughts also, for crying out loud, how many times does she need to repeat her decision. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #76
You can be an apologist all you want for this crap Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #80
Good, continue to believe them, in the meantime allow those who wants to wait until the final Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #87
The agreement is already complete Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #91
"Godot is going to arrive before she forcefully comes out against it." snagglepuss Jun 2015 #95
The TPP and other so-called Trade Agreements have been around long rhett o rick Jun 2015 #85
Sounds more like wishful thinking to me LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #46
It certainly isn't going to help her. Aerows Jun 2015 #47
Wishful thinking. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #63
I sure wish she'd say SOMETHING about it! CanonRay Jun 2015 #69
I'm a Sanders supporter, ejbr Jun 2015 #72
Her refusal to talk about it and take a stand hifiguy Jun 2015 #77
Then for the sake of the nation and the party JackInGreen Jun 2015 #79
Series-ly this is the umpteenth DU post giving a reason why Hilary is destined to lose... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #81
No, they don't realize that. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #89
NAFTA and all of these trade deals are despised.... ms liberty Jun 2015 #90
North Carolina had no banking or biotech industry to speak of in 1993 Recursion Jun 2015 #104
I think the American people care about TPP... joshcryer Jun 2015 #99
Alrighty then! Lil Missy Jun 2015 #106
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