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swilton

(5,069 posts)
22. No one is perfect
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jun 2015

If they were, they wouldn't be running for public office.

Franklin Roosevelt had a mistress - I'm sure Eugene Debs had flaws.

I think it is a healthy exercise to expose Sanders now. I don't like the stand on Israel apartheid and Palestine and I don't like the F-35. What I do like about Sanders is that he is much less hawkish than the other candidates and I believe his sincerity on income inequality and publicly funded education and health care.

To have those issues even presented in a campaign puts the left in a much better position than we were in four years ago. Sanders - in a departure from the meme of 'American exceptionalism' mentions making the US more like Northern Europe who are NATO members and participate in that institution to varying degrees. To Sanders' credit, he has a vision that is unlike the status quo.

There is an argument to be made that Sanders' candidacy as a Democrat prevents movement toward a pure social revolution - third party wise. That argument holds that the Sanders candidacy is being used as bait when Hillary will win all along...Momentum within the past week should be evidence that there is no need to buy that... If it happens that Hillary wins the primary, I for one don't intend to vote for her; others may, some will. If nothing else, Sanders participation is helping the left wing of the Democratic Party create a vision of who it is and where it wants to go.

And some times an elected Senator has to bring home the bacon. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #1
+1 for your courage to post that here on BU LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #2
what courage? I'm a vermonter. I think he's cali Jun 2015 #10
I'll wait for the the translation. LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #12
one auto spell fuck up. it's still clear cali Jun 2015 #16
It was more than one LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #71
When one resorts H2O Man Jun 2015 #77
We know that no one is perfect! Paka Jun 2015 #26
BU - I love it liberal N proud Jun 2015 #101
With so many Vermont socialists aiming at the Oval Office, I guess merrily Jun 2015 #3
Thou shalt not question St. Bernie of Burlington. Good luck to ya. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #4
you're confused. it's Saint Hilly of the Shining sss cali Jun 2015 #8
Really? Wilms Jun 2015 #23
Bwahahahahahahaahahaha Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #52
Feh kenfrequed Jun 2015 #65
Thanks for your "advice", but when I need it, I certainly won't turn to a Bernie supporter. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #75
Right kenfrequed Jun 2015 #76
Fortunately, I don't have to be held to account for what "you think", and it matters not what "you Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #78
I don't like bernie's support for the F-35 cali Jun 2015 #5
So anything that doesn't align with your view of Bernie is a lie? LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #11
no, your lordship cali Jun 2015 #21
What specifically was bullshit... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #82
What an absurd distortion of another DUer's post Jim Lane Jun 2015 #36
For information on the F-35 basing in Burlington swilton Jun 2015 #17
please detail what this author lies about "on one thing after another" cloudythescribbler Jun 2015 #107
Interesting read... Koinos Jun 2015 #6
I'd vote to pay my constituents to put squares in round holes peecoolyour Jun 2015 #7
Thanks for posting. Always good know the candidate's record. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #9
See Reply 52 merrily Jun 2015 #54
That makes him a 3rd Way Socialist BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #18
"3rd Way Socialist" Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #62
What does it say that this is rec'd exclusively by HRC supporters? whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #14
Or it may have something to do with asking for some damned honesty once in a while. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #32
The author of the article was worried about Sanders' supporting Hillary. merrily Jun 2015 #56
I think that if people are mad at Bernie for supporting Israel, fine Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #86
and it's an article from the International Socialist Organization m-lekktor Jun 2015 #47
Really? merrily Jun 2015 #55
It's pretty fucking funny. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #51
I find this interesting. Especially this comment: Raine1967 Jun 2015 #15
The whole thing is an interesting read. I had no idea that socialists had issues with Bernie Number23 Jun 2015 #25
I'm guessing those socialists would have issues with everyone. FSogol Jun 2015 #30
Yep. The same thing many folks have been saying about alot of Obama's "left" detractors for a while Number23 Jun 2015 #38
for some people, no one is pure enough, it seems. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #41
That's why I call him a mainstream Democrat. Democratic Socialism is an established wing of the DNC. freshwest Jun 2015 #43
Awesome post, fw Number23 Jun 2015 #48
Thank you very much! freshwest Jun 2015 #49
+1, Well said. n/t FSogol Jun 2015 #68
You'd think a Socialist would know that a Democratic Socialist is not a socialist. merrily Jun 2015 #57
... handmade34 Jun 2015 #19
Yup kenfrequed Jun 2015 #66
I do not agree with him on his gun control issues either. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #20
No one is perfect swilton Jun 2015 #22
Errr... despite the bizarre and needlessly feverish defense from Bernie supporters Number23 Jun 2015 #24
+1. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #27
Umm, what? LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #31
Nowhere Depaysement Jun 2015 #34
Yup, such pointless drivel wins an ignore LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #80
You're right. You guys aren't thin skinned as all hell at all. Number23 Jun 2015 #84
Post 31 is a good example. And the other five or so posts in this thread, which you apparently are Number23 Jun 2015 #37
Once again, I thank Sir Skinner for granting us the Ignore feature. AKA, Obama's 'Bucket!' List! freshwest Jun 2015 #50
LOL LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #79
That works for me! Make it a double! Number23 Jun 2015 #83
I may be paranoid but the Socialist Worker paper olddots Jun 2015 #28
did I kill another thread ? olddots Jun 2015 #29
Another day on the left Depaysement Jun 2015 #33
Thread winner. Although some will refuse to see it. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #45
I wish we could appreciate the wisdom of our elderly..... kentuck Jun 2015 #35
Oh yeah.. Sanders is a real "hawk"! But, according to this person's opinion.. from your link,vt Cha Jun 2015 #39
I would like for him to officially say he is. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #42
Please see Reply 52. merrily Jun 2015 #58
Yes, and will be tossed under the bus very soon by some... n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #44
Ya gotta love this RobertEarl Jun 2015 #40
Poor DU Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #46
This author doesn't support the Democratic Party in general. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #53
Not take the OP seriously? Hillary supporters have applauded him or her. merrily Jun 2015 #59
Like I said upthread Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #61
Sadly, they were just too upset that Bernie was not socialist enough to read it all. merrily Jun 2015 #64
Well, they do think that something that's a gotcha for Sanders BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #63
Look who else is "very vewy concerned" ..... bettyellen Jun 2015 #94
A literal interpretation of writing is pretty much always the wrong one BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #95
I'm sowwy! Was your OP about faux "concerns" deemed identic posts to be? bettyellen Jun 2015 #96
It was a way to have a genuine talk about real issues BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #97
Except you have this delusion that outside your group everyone is a troll- so it's okay to lie and bettyellen Jun 2015 #99
Why do you hate me bettyellen? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #100
I don't. But the bizarre accusations of many good long term DUers being operatives are ridiculous bettyellen Jun 2015 #102
You mad bettyellen? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #104
You trolling us here in GD- where people actually share your concerns? bettyellen Jun 2015 #105
What's wrong bettyellen? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #106
"He marched on Selma, what else do they want!?" bettyellen Jun 2015 #109
That's fucked up bettyellen? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #110
It is super fucked up, and sad to see at DU, "Brother Ivan" bettyellen Jun 2015 #111
Are you sad bettyellen? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #112
Could you be more or a condescending jerk, Ivan? bettyellen Jun 2015 #113
Did you alert bettyellen? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #114
Well, someone did ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #115
It certainly wasn't me BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #116
That alert fail was the cherry on top of an absolutely AWESOME subthread sundae Number23 Jun 2015 #117
Thank you! Haven't seen the "repeat with petulance" routine since I last babysat bettyellen Jun 2015 #123
gosh did I ever see that coming, lol. bettyellen Jun 2015 #119
Yes. Worried that Bernie is a Democratic Socialist and worried that he is not socialist enough. merrily Jun 2015 #118
The only one that works right now is "he's unelectable" BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #120
Whether it's Hillary or Sanders or Jeb or anyone else , it's too way early to take polls to heart. merrily Jun 2015 #121
Agreed BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #122
Do we really want to get into who is more of a Hawk? Kalidurga Jun 2015 #60
Find me a candidate that agrees with me 100% on my all of my issues magical thyme Jun 2015 #67
Bernie has his skeletons in the closet...this issue is just one... Sancho Jun 2015 #69
If he has skeletons they will come out LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #72
What's most frustrating is a failure to do what Bernie says to do.... Sancho Jun 2015 #74
You think attack ads are going to be run vs. Bernie for being insufficiently committed to Marxism? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #85
Attack ads against Bernie won't be necessary... Sancho Jun 2015 #87
Ah, I see. So you didn't, actually, read the article despite claiming it illustrates his Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #88
"The Democratic voters have NOT come out for recent elections.".....You're in Florida, huh? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #89
I believe it was President Obama who pointed out the number of voters in the last election... Sancho Jun 2015 #90
And if there's a problem with turnout, wouldn't the smart analyst want to look to where turnout Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #91
Haha..pot has nothing to do with turnout here... Sancho Jun 2015 #92
Well, we'll see. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #93
The Bernie effect ucrdem Jun 2015 #70
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #103
Wasn't that debunked already? jwirr Jun 2015 #73
Hey, this doesn't say Bernie is a God! joeybee12 Jun 2015 #81
Heh. F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #98
kick cloudythescribbler Jun 2015 #108
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