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Showing Original Post only (View all)Some shocking views of the group known as The Family or the Fellowship. [View all]
There are reasons why some have concerns about their goals.
Interestingly enough the group was founded as an anti-union movement.
While 700 plus policemen patrolled the 1934 union strikes, The Family founder prayed with the elite.
These are a couple of paragraphs I transcribed from Jeff Sharlet's book The Family.
This part showed a sharp contrast between the wealthy and the workers. They seemed to take the efforts of the unions to gain power very personally...or as Sharlet once said Abram Vereides considered it a challenge to God's sovereignty. From page 104 about the 1934 union strikes:
From page 104 about the 1934 union strikes:
Seven hundred policemen in dark blue patrolled the waterfront on foot and in black cars and on high chestnut horses. Twice that number and more picketed and searched for strikebreakers. The middle class began contemplating last minute vacations. The wives of the wealthy bunkered up at the Union Club, where Abram led prayer meetings for businessmen. As the blue tear gas sent tendrils up the hill, they must have felt frustrated by his optimistic lessons in biblical capitalism. Scripture has much to say about honest dealing and even more about handling the heathen, but not once does it mention organized labor.
From page 108:
The strike went on, but the shippers were defeated by the time the coffins went into the ground. Their old beliefs could not compete. Management-capital-would require a new faith if it was to survive.
The strike of 1934 scared Abram into launching the movement that would become the vanguard of elite fundamentalism, and elite fundamentalism took as its first challenge the destruction of militant labor. Destruction was not the word Christians used however. They called it cooperation.
Abram Vereides was given much power by the end of WW II.
In 1944, Vereide had foreseen what he called 'the new world order.' 'Upon the termination of the war there will be many men available to carry on,' Vereide wrote in a letter to his wife. 'Now the ground-work must be laid and our leadership brought to face God in humility, prayer and obedience.' He began organizing prayer meetings for delegates to the United Nations, at which he would instruct them in God's plan for rebuilding from the wreckage of the war. Donald Stone, a high-ranking administrator of the Marshall Plan, joined the directorship of Vereide's organization. In an undated letter, he wrote Vereide that he would 'soon begin a tour around the world for the (Marshall Plan), combining with this a spiritual mission.'
In 1946, Vereide, too, toured the world, traveling with letters of introduction from a half dozen senators and representatives, and from Paul G. Hoffman, the director of the Marshall Plan. He traveled also with a mandate from General John Hildring, assistant secretary of state, to oversee the creation of a list of good Germans of 'the predictable type' (many of whom, Vereide believed, were being held for having 'the faintest connection' with the Nazi regime), who could be released from prison 'to be used, according to their ability in the tremendous task of reconstruction.' Vereides met with Jewish survivors and listened to their stories, but he nevertheless considered ex-Nazis well suited for the demands of 'strong' government, so long as they were willing to worship Christ as they had Hitler.
More from a Salon article in 2009.
Sex and power inside the C Street House
The Family likes to call itself a Christian Mafia, but it began 74 years ago as an anti-New Deal coalition of businessmen convinced that organized labor was under the sway of Satan. The Great Depression, they believed, was a punishment from God for what they viewed as FDRs socialism. The Familys goal was the consecration of America to God, first through the repeal of New Deal reforms, then through the aggressive expansion of American power during the Cold War. They called this a Worldwide Spiritual Offensive, but in Washington, it amounted to the nations first fundamentalist lobby. Early participants included Southern Sens. Strom Thurmond, Herman Talmadge and Absalom Willis Robertson Pat Robertsons father. Membership lists stored in the Familys archive at the Billy Graham Center at evangelical Wheaton College in Illinois show active participation at any given time over the years by dozens of congressmen.
Todays roll call is just as impressive: Men under the Familys religio-political counsel include, in addition to Ensign, Coburn and Pickering, Sens. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Jim DeMint and Lindsey Graham, both R-S.C.; James Inhofe, R-Okla., John Thune, R-S.D., and recent senators and high officials such as John Ashcroft, Ed Meese, Pete Domenici and Don Nickles. Over in the House theres Joe Pitts, R-Penn., Frank Wolf, R-Va., Zach Wamp, R-Tenn., Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., Ander Crenshaw, R-Fla., Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., Jo Ann Emerson, R-Mo., and John R. Carter, R-Texas. Historically, the Family has been strongly Republican, but it includes Democrats, too. Theres Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, for instance, a vocal defender of putting the Ten Commandments in public places, and Sen. Mark Pryor, the pro-war Arkansas Democrat responsible for scuttling Obamas labor agenda. Sen. Pryor explained to me the meaning of bipartisanship hed learned through the Family: Jesus didnt come to take sides. He came to take over. And by Jesus, the Family means the Family.
In 2007 the Miami Herald quoted Grace Nelson, wife of Florida's Senator Bill Nelson.
Mother Jones, the progressive politics magazine, delves into Dem prez contender Hillary Clinton's religious and political life - and among the few in her inner circle who would talk for the story was Grace Nelson, wife of Florida Sen. Bill Nelson.
Nelson, the magazine notes, was one of Clinton's "cell mates" in the DC-based Fellowship, described by the magazine as "a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business and military leaders dedicated to 'spiritual war' on behalf of Christ."
The magazine quotes Nelson - whom it describes as "a piety broker in Florida politics" because of her role as organizer of the Governor's Prayer Breakfast - as cautioning that she's not "at liberty" to reveal much.
Here's what the story says:
"Clinton's prayer cell was tight-knit, according to Nelson, who recalled that one of her conservative prayer partners was at first loath to pray for the first lady, but learned to 'love Hillary as much as any of us love Hillary.' Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in 'parliaments all over the world,' with all welcome so long as they submit to 'the person of Jesus' as the source of their power."
There are two more shocking statements from the Salon article. The statement by the son of the present head of The Family is especially shocking in light of recent news stories.
But David Coe, Doug Coes son and heir apparent, calls himself simply a friend to men such as John Ensign, whom he guided through the coverup of his affair. I met the younger Coe when I lived for several weeks as a member of the Family. Hes a surprising source of counsel, spiritual or otherwise. Attempting to explain what it means to be chosen for leadership like King David was or Mark Sanford, according to his own estimate he asked a young man whod put himself, body and soul, under the Familys authority, Lets say I hear you raped three little girls. What would I think of you? The man guessed that Coe would probably think that he was a monster. No, answered Coe, I wouldnt. Why? Because, as a member of the Family, hes among what Family leaders refer to as the new chosen. If youre chosen, the normal rules dont apply.
Their support of dictators around the world who commit atrocities is also a shocking stance, and it seems to prove the point about the group being about power....not about religion.
If the Family men who stood over John Ensign as he wrote a baldly insincere breakup letter to his mistress were naive about hearts that want what they want, they dont claim ignorance about the strongmen with whom they build bonds of prayer and foreign aid. They admire them. Counseling Rep. Tiahrt, Doug Coe offered Pol Pot and Osama bin Laden as men whose commitment to their causes is to be emulated. Preaching on the meaning of Christs words, he says, You know Jesus said You got to put Him before mother-father-brother sister? Hitler, Lenin, Mao, thats what they taught the kids. Mao even had the kids killing their own mother and father. But it wasnt murder. It was for building the new nation. The new kingdom.
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Some shocking views of the group known as The Family or the Fellowship. [View all]
madfloridian
May 2015
OP
The Family or the Fellowship, Anti-Union, this all makes sense.... Was Hillary a friend or member?
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#1
She participated in their weekly women's prayer and bible reading group. Men and women are
Luminous Animal
May 2015
#4
Power is their ultimate goal. And they admire Hitler and Mao because they see the way to
sabrina 1
May 2015
#18
It's a very dangerous group, another group wanting to bring down America in the name of thier god.
RKP5637
May 2015
#84
Imagine if we learned Bernie Sanders was in a sex segregated fundie cult
Cheese Sandwich
May 2015
#26
NYC_SKP & MF: Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics--Mother Jones/2007
KoKo
May 2015
#142
Hey, cool coincidence. When I first read the OP I Googled for "The Family + Hillary" and
BeanMusical
May 2015
#161
It's true that a reply was hidden by a jury for having that link and two or three others.
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#164
Hillary could always say..."I've Grown....and Changed" and "Here's What I've Learned" ...and
KoKo
May 2015
#165
You mention them being anti-union... I just started a book called "One Nation Under God"
arcane1
May 2015
#3
Very interesting for sure from this passage. Thanks for the OP, hard to fathom but exists.
appalachiablue
May 2015
#11
First of all, we as a party are screwed. When the party bows down to billionaires
rhett o rick
May 2015
#10
I volunteer at a local foodbank. I have seen changes. The poverty level is increasing.
rhett o rick
May 2015
#15
The first step is to get past the denial stage. Just because a few people get to vote
rhett o rick
May 2015
#128
Are you a supporter of Citizens United? Do you think the billionaires should be able to
rhett o rick
May 2015
#131
Okay, thumbs down to what? To the existence of the group? To Sharlet's book?
madfloridian
May 2015
#24
My agenda is pointing out scary cultish movements that affect our government.
madfloridian
May 2015
#46
The word is 'informative'. If Sanders or O'Malley are involved in anything like this
sabrina 1
May 2015
#72
A few years ago Rachel Maddow did a series of shows on The Family. Those people are SCARY.
sabrina 1
May 2015
#16
Well, do you dispute David Coe said that? Do you want to challenge that statement?
madfloridian
May 2015
#22
Excuse me? Who is running for president who might believe that? Rachel Maddow
sabrina 1
May 2015
#23
Did you read the OP? You didn't answer the questions, why are you reposting them to ME
sabrina 1
May 2015
#40
I certainly always try to be CLEAR AS DAY. I like people who are CLEAR AS DAY.
sabrina 1
May 2015
#52
It gives us insight into of one of our candidates, who was clearly associated with this group
peacebird
May 2015
#77
Stop what? Hillary's self admitted admiration to a self admitted fascist? This is all public record.
Luminous Animal
May 2015
#47
So the whole cult thing didn't stick so now you'll throw in Kissinger and Mubarak?
Agschmid
May 2015
#53
Really. Her admiration for fascists and dictators is public record on her own
Luminous Animal
May 2015
#59
He should shut the site down because a Democratic candidate for President has ties to a cult?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
May 2015
#79
Insane religious fundamentalism is okay if Clinton sometimes has breakfast with them
Scootaloo
May 2015
#87
Don't worry. Her advisers may get Hillary to think about evolving....again. K&R
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2015
#42
Oh, that is just hyperbole, and, in addition, there is an attempt to hijack the thread
djean111
May 2015
#68
That's why instead of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, they reach back into the Old Testament so much
peacebird
May 2015
#82
Fundies are experts at using the old to justify the new, Jesus jacked up with an
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#86
I doubt it will have an effect at all. It's old news. Now suddenly everyone's mad when it's posted.
madfloridian
May 2015
#108
So you don't think a week from now Hillary's involvement with The Fellowship will lead the news?
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#100
I believe the original poster inadvertently fell on an issue that will define the upcoming campaign.
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2015
#106
Please identify any one specific aspect of the information which you can show to be inaccurate.
FlatBaroque
May 2015
#134
Secrecy by design..Coe says the more invisible the organization the more powerful it can be.
madfloridian
May 2015
#143
Family stored their archived records in the Billy Graham center Wheaton College. 600 boxes
madfloridian
May 2015
#149