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madfloridian

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Sat May 30, 2015, 11:40 PM May 2015

Some shocking views of the group known as The Family or the Fellowship. [View all]

There are reasons why some have concerns about their goals.

Interestingly enough the group was founded as an anti-union movement.

While 700 plus policemen patrolled the 1934 union strikes, The Family founder prayed with the elite.

These are a couple of paragraphs I transcribed from Jeff Sharlet's book The Family.

This part showed a sharp contrast between the wealthy and the workers. They seemed to take the efforts of the unions to gain power very personally...or as Sharlet once said Abram Vereides considered it a challenge to God's sovereignty. From page 104 about the 1934 union strikes:

From page 104 about the 1934 union strikes:

Seven hundred policemen in dark blue patrolled the waterfront on foot and in black cars and on high chestnut horses. Twice that number and more picketed and searched for strikebreakers. The middle class began contemplating last minute vacations. The wives of the wealthy bunkered up at the Union Club, where Abram led prayer meetings for businessmen. As the blue tear gas sent tendrils up the hill, they must have felt frustrated by his optimistic lessons in biblical capitalism. Scripture has much to say about honest dealing and even more about handling the heathen, but not once does it mention organized labor.


From page 108:

The strike went on, but the shippers were defeated by the time the coffins went into the ground. Their old beliefs could not compete. Management-capital-would require a new faith if it was to survive.

The strike of 1934 scared Abram into launching the movement that would become the vanguard of elite fundamentalism, and elite fundamentalism took as its first challenge the destruction of militant labor. Destruction was not the word Christians used however. They called it cooperation.


Abram Vereides was given much power by the end of WW II.

In 1944, Vereide had foreseen what he called 'the new world order.' 'Upon the termination of the war there will be many men available to carry on,' Vereide wrote in a letter to his wife. 'Now the ground-work must be laid and our leadership brought to face God in humility, prayer and obedience.' He began organizing prayer meetings for delegates to the United Nations, at which he would instruct them in God's plan for rebuilding from the wreckage of the war. Donald Stone, a high-ranking administrator of the Marshall Plan, joined the directorship of Vereide's organization. In an undated letter, he wrote Vereide that he would 'soon begin a tour around the world for the (Marshall Plan), combining with this a spiritual mission.'

In 1946, Vereide, too, toured the world, traveling with letters of introduction from a half dozen senators and representatives, and from Paul G. Hoffman, the director of the Marshall Plan. He traveled also with a mandate from General John Hildring, assistant secretary of state, to oversee the creation of a list of good Germans of 'the predictable type' (many of whom, Vereide believed, were being held for having 'the faintest connection' with the Nazi regime), who could be released from prison 'to be used, according to their ability in the tremendous task of reconstruction.' Vereides met with Jewish survivors and listened to their stories, but he nevertheless considered ex-Nazis well suited for the demands of 'strong' government, so long as they were willing to worship Christ as they had Hitler.


More from a Salon article in 2009.

Sex and power inside “the C Street House”

The Family likes to call itself a “Christian Mafia,” but it began 74 years ago as an anti-New Deal coalition of businessmen convinced that organized labor was under the sway of Satan. The Great Depression, they believed, was a punishment from God for what they viewed as FDR’s socialism. The Family’s goal was the “consecration” of America to God, first through the repeal of New Deal reforms, then through the aggressive expansion of American power during the Cold War. They called this a “Worldwide Spiritual Offensive,” but in Washington, it amounted to the nation’s first fundamentalist lobby. Early participants included Southern Sens. Strom Thurmond, Herman Talmadge and Absalom Willis Robertson — Pat Robertson’s father. Membership lists stored in the Family’s archive at the Billy Graham Center at evangelical Wheaton College in Illinois show active participation at any given time over the years by dozens of congressmen.

Today’s roll call is just as impressive: Men under the Family’s religio-political counsel include, in addition to Ensign, Coburn and Pickering, Sens. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Jim DeMint and Lindsey Graham, both R-S.C.; James Inhofe, R-Okla., John Thune, R-S.D., and recent senators and high officials such as John Ashcroft, Ed Meese, Pete Domenici and Don Nickles. Over in the House there’s Joe Pitts, R-Penn., Frank Wolf, R-Va., Zach Wamp, R-Tenn., Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., Ander Crenshaw, R-Fla., Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., Jo Ann Emerson, R-Mo., and John R. Carter, R-Texas. Historically, the Family has been strongly Republican, but it includes Democrats, too. There’s Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, for instance, a vocal defender of putting the Ten Commandments in public places, and Sen. Mark Pryor, the pro-war Arkansas Democrat responsible for scuttling Obama’s labor agenda. Sen. Pryor explained to me the meaning of bipartisanship he’d learned through the Family: “Jesus didn’t come to take sides. He came to take over.” And by Jesus, the Family means the Family.


In 2007 the Miami Herald quoted Grace Nelson, wife of Florida's Senator Bill Nelson.

Mother Jones, the progressive politics magazine, delves into Dem prez contender Hillary Clinton's religious and political life - and among the few in her inner circle who would talk for the story was Grace Nelson, wife of Florida Sen. Bill Nelson.

Nelson, the magazine notes, was one of Clinton's "cell mates" in the DC-based Fellowship, described by the magazine as "a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business and military leaders dedicated to 'spiritual war' on behalf of Christ."

The magazine quotes Nelson - whom it describes as "a piety broker in Florida politics" because of her role as organizer of the Governor's Prayer Breakfast - as cautioning that she's not "at liberty" to reveal much.

Here's what the story says:

"Clinton's prayer cell was tight-knit, according to Nelson, who recalled that one of her conservative prayer partners was at first loath to pray for the first lady, but learned to 'love Hillary as much as any of us love Hillary.' Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in 'parliaments all over the world,' with all welcome so long as they submit to 'the person of Jesus' as the source of their power."


There are two more shocking statements from the Salon article. The statement by the son of the present head of The Family is especially shocking in light of recent news stories.

But David Coe, Doug Coe’s son and heir apparent, calls himself simply a friend to men such as John Ensign, whom he guided through the coverup of his affair. I met the younger Coe when I lived for several weeks as a member of the Family. He’s a surprising source of counsel, spiritual or otherwise. Attempting to explain what it means to be chosen for leadership like King David was — or Mark Sanford, according to his own estimate — he asked a young man who’d put himself, body and soul, under the Family’s authority, “Let’s say I hear you raped three little girls. What would I think of you?” The man guessed that Coe would probably think that he was a monster. “No,” answered Coe, “I wouldn’t.” Why? Because, as a member of the Family, he’s among what Family leaders refer to as the “new chosen.” If you’re chosen, the normal rules don’t apply.

Their support of dictators around the world who commit atrocities is also a shocking stance, and it seems to prove the point about the group being about power....not about religion.

If the Family men who stood over John Ensign as he wrote a baldly insincere breakup letter to his mistress were naive about hearts that want what they want, they don’t claim ignorance about the strongmen with whom they build bonds of prayer and foreign aid. They admire them. Counseling Rep. Tiahrt, Doug Coe offered Pol Pot and Osama bin Laden as men whose commitment to their causes is to be emulated. Preaching on the meaning of Christ’s words, he says, “You know Jesus said ‘You got to put Him before mother-father-brother sister? Hitler, Lenin, Mao, that’s what they taught the kids. Mao even had the kids killing their own mother and father. But it wasn’t murder. It was for building the new nation. The new kingdom.”





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The Family or the Fellowship, Anti-Union, this all makes sense.... Was Hillary a friend or member? NYC_SKP May 2015 #1
I don't know that answer. madfloridian May 2015 #2
She participated in their weekly women's prayer and bible reading group. Men and women are Luminous Animal May 2015 #4
Power is their ultimate goal. And they admire Hitler and Mao because they see the way to sabrina 1 May 2015 #18
Yes, power is their goal. It's a power movement. madfloridian May 2015 #27
It's a very dangerous group, another group wanting to bring down America in the name of thier god. RKP5637 May 2015 #84
Imagine if we learned Bernie Sanders was in a sex segregated fundie cult Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #26
NYC_SKP & MF: Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics--Mother Jones/2007 KoKo May 2015 #142
I just edited for the excerpt of the article mentioning Doug Coe & Fellowship... KoKo May 2015 #144
Hey, cool coincidence. When I first read the OP I Googled for "The Family + Hillary" and BeanMusical May 2015 #161
Mother Jones? You can't post that RW crap here! NYC_SKP May 2015 #153
It's not an anti-Hillary article at all. KoKo May 2015 #159
It's true that a reply was hidden by a jury for having that link and two or three others. NYC_SKP May 2015 #164
Hillary could always say..."I've Grown....and Changed" and "Here's What I've Learned" ...and KoKo May 2015 #165
........... madfloridian May 2015 #166
The "C Street" group (The Family kept an apartment there) bvar22 May 2015 #152
it's a darn good subject to ask her about. Voice for Peace May 2015 #157
You mention them being anti-union... I just started a book called "One Nation Under God" arcane1 May 2015 #3
That really looks interesting. madfloridian May 2015 #5
Very interesting for sure from this passage. Thanks for the OP, hard to fathom but exists. appalachiablue May 2015 #11
Wow. Thanks for this, I will see if our library has a copy & read it. peacebird May 2015 #75
I'm working on that one too...about a third of the way into it. MindPilot May 2015 #132
Thanks for the preview! I've already dog-eared every other page so far... arcane1 May 2015 #140
Okay, that review makes me determined to read it. madfloridian May 2015 #146
So conspiracy theories are okay in GD now? Agschmid May 2015 #6
We much disagree about the conspiracy part. madfloridian May 2015 #7
No alert from me. Don't stress it. Agschmid May 2015 #8
Not stressing at all. I don't alert on anything. madfloridian May 2015 #9
First of all, we as a party are screwed. When the party bows down to billionaires rhett o rick May 2015 #10
. Agschmid May 2015 #12
I volunteer at a local foodbank. I have seen changes. The poverty level is increasing. rhett o rick May 2015 #15
I'm not oblivious to all the changes. Agschmid May 2015 #17
Oh, we will accomplish much awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #67
Studies have shown no such thing treestar May 2015 #74
The first step is to get past the denial stage. Just because a few people get to vote rhett o rick May 2015 #128
Are you a supporter of Citizens United? Do you think the billionaires should be able to rhett o rick May 2015 #131
The quest for truth aspirant May 2015 #13
So what is the truth here... Agschmid May 2015 #14
So far, thumbs down aspirant May 2015 #20
You've potentially impressed me... Agschmid May 2015 #21
Okay, thumbs down to what? To the existence of the group? To Sharlet's book? madfloridian May 2015 #24
I interpreted it as a "thumbs down" to the connection... Agschmid May 2015 #31
I only posted Grace Nelson's words...that's supposition. madfloridian May 2015 #34
Thumbs down to this cult aspirant May 2015 #38
Okay, thanks. I agree. madfloridian May 2015 #39
Just for clarity I am also thumbs down to cults... Agschmid May 2015 #45
My agenda is pointing out scary cultish movements that affect our government. madfloridian May 2015 #46
Nope, not at all. Agschmid May 2015 #48
I did not "highlight" her. Not at all. madfloridian May 2015 #54
Well there we have it. Agschmid May 2015 #57
K&R! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #85
The word is 'informative'. If Sanders or O'Malley are involved in anything like this sabrina 1 May 2015 #72
A few years ago Rachel Maddow did a series of shows on The Family. Those people are SCARY. sabrina 1 May 2015 #16
Do you actually think someone currently running for President thinks this... Agschmid May 2015 #19
Well, do you dispute David Coe said that? Do you want to challenge that statement? madfloridian May 2015 #22
Is David Coe running for president? Agschmid May 2015 #25
She is mentioned only once, by Grace Nelson. madfloridian May 2015 #33
Can you link me directly to this so I don't have to weed through it? Agschmid May 2015 #35
I posted the 2 sentences for you. Yes, the post is long. madfloridian May 2015 #37
Excuse me? Who is running for president who might believe that? Rachel Maddow sabrina 1 May 2015 #23
So... Agschmid May 2015 #29
Did you read the OP? You didn't answer the questions, why are you reposting them to ME sabrina 1 May 2015 #40
Clear as day. Agschmid May 2015 #41
The agenda aspirant May 2015 #50
Unfortunately the American way sometimes is cults... Agschmid May 2015 #51
Masons = cult aspirant May 2015 #60
Did you seriously just try to conflate the Masons TM99 May 2015 #73
No please tell me. Agschmid May 2015 #92
My grandfather was a Master Mason. LuvNewcastle May 2015 #126
My point exactly. Agschmid May 2015 #127
Thank you aspirant! sabrina 1 May 2015 #71
I certainly always try to be CLEAR AS DAY. I like people who are CLEAR AS DAY. sabrina 1 May 2015 #52
Nope not a Hillary supporter. Agschmid May 2015 #55
How is this an attack on her? If she believed it was okay for her to sabrina 1 May 2015 #61
+1000 MissDeeds May 2015 #91
Sabrina, read my post before you respond please... Agschmid May 2015 #113
What does she actually think? aspirant May 2015 #28
Speak up about what?!?! Agschmid May 2015 #30
Was Hillary aspirant May 2015 #43
When you find out, let me know. Agschmid May 2015 #44
Are you saying Mrs. Nelson is untruthful aspirant May 2015 #62
So far, thumbs down Agschmid May 2015 #103
"probably isn't lying" aspirant May 2015 #137
I basically am agreeing with you but even that isn't enough... Agschmid May 2015 #138
"basically" aspirant May 2015 #139
It gives us insight into of one of our candidates, who was clearly associated with this group peacebird May 2015 #77
Well, just ask the Duggars how that works. haikugal May 2015 #69
Very true. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #169
This is getting ridiculous. KMOD May 2015 #32
We have posted about this group for years here at DU. madfloridian May 2015 #36
Yes, there are many article in the DU Archives and KoKo May 2015 #163
Stop what? Hillary's self admitted admiration to a self admitted fascist? This is all public record. Luminous Animal May 2015 #47
I'm going to bed. KMOD May 2015 #49
Sleep is a wonderful cleanser for denial. Luminous Animal May 2015 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid May 2015 #58
So the whole cult thing didn't stick so now you'll throw in Kissinger and Mubarak? Agschmid May 2015 #53
Really. Her admiration for fascists and dictators is public record on her own Luminous Animal May 2015 #59
He should shut the site down because a Democratic candidate for President has ties to a cult? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #79
Insane religious fundamentalism is okay if Clinton sometimes has breakfast with them Scootaloo May 2015 #87
Don't worry. Her advisers may get Hillary to think about evolving....again. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #42
You're making me want to vote for Hillary. byronius May 2015 #63
Okay. madfloridian May 2015 #64
Really? This post did it for you? AtomicKitten May 2015 #65
Oh, that is just hyperbole, and, in addition, there is an attempt to hijack the thread djean111 May 2015 #68
Well we all know the truth has a decidedly AtomicKitten May 2015 #70
Your right, Truth doesn't have bias, and Hillary has to orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #83
thread jackers' persistence is a wonder to behold carolinayellowdog May 2015 #121
Indeed. I used to be anti-war until protesters blocked my commute. Luminous Animal May 2015 #66
LOL! peacebird May 2015 #78
. raouldukelives May 2015 #80
lol m-lekktor May 2015 #81
+1 Scootaloo May 2015 #88
..... madfloridian May 2015 #154
hahahahahahahah FlatBaroque May 2015 #133
That's hilarious- TBF May 2015 #150
Jesus was talking about Heaven on earth and solitude, they talk Hate orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #76
That's why instead of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, they reach back into the Old Testament so much peacebird May 2015 #82
Fundies are experts at using the old to justify the new, Jesus jacked up with an orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #86
There ain't Jack Shit proof that Hillary is part of this cult. trumad May 2015 #89
Bernie? Fumesucker May 2015 #90
Hey Trumad. Grace Nelson said it, not me. madfloridian May 2015 #97
Except her own words in her book. Nt HooptieWagon May 2015 #102
Yes, actually there is. TM99 May 2015 #110
so do you want to also condemn Jimmy Carter as well? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #114
Is he currently running for President? HooptieWagon May 2015 #122
do you care about his reputation? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #123
Do you care about George Washingtons reputation? HooptieWagon May 2015 #125
I am glad madfloridian brought this up. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #93
I doubt it will have an effect at all. It's old news. Now suddenly everyone's mad when it's posted. madfloridian May 2015 #108
If it's old news why post it again? Agschmid May 2015 #117
Why not? It's about combining govt and religion and power. madfloridian May 2015 #119
Interesting, Agschmid May 2015 #120
Didn't anyone alert on this excremental CT yet? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #94
No need to alert...Let a thousand flowers bloom. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #95
How so? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #98
So you don't think a week from now Hillary's involvement with The Fellowship will lead the news? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #100
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #101
Swiftboaters for Bernie?? madfloridian May 2015 #105
Yep! VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #107
I believe the original poster inadvertently fell on an issue that will define the upcoming campaign. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #106
All of this is old news. None of it is new. madfloridian May 2015 #104
and all of it bullshit... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #109
Then please start refuting it. madfloridian May 2015 #111
I am refuting it right now.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #136
You can set your watch by VR's flameouts. AtomicKitten May 2015 #148
Hillary's own words are bullshit? HooptieWagon May 2015 #124
Yes but not me, went 1-6 leave. Agschmid May 2015 #115
Well that is because it occurred in the middle of a Saturday night VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #116
Something like that... Agschmid May 2015 #118
Please identify any one specific aspect of the information which you can show to be inaccurate. FlatBaroque May 2015 #134
The folks that bring us the Presidential Prayer Breakfast hootinholler May 2015 #96
It is a great book. kenfrequed May 2015 #130
In before the hide. HooptieWagon May 2015 #99
Thanks for posting, Mad. Everyone should know about this powerful group librechik May 2015 #129
Pallin' around with he American Taliban FlatBaroque May 2015 #135
''Chosen'' explains a lot of the last 34 years. Octafish May 2015 #141
Secrecy by design..Coe says the more invisible the organization the more powerful it can be. madfloridian May 2015 #143
there's an -ism for that: "perfectionism" where one CAN be purged of all sin MisterP May 2015 #145
unspeakable evil BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #147
Family stored their archived records in the Billy Graham center Wheaton College. 600 boxes madfloridian May 2015 #149
The "Family" is a dangerous group. k&r PufPuf23 May 2015 #151
What is in the water these days that is creating all these cult leaders? Pooka Fey May 2015 #155
Good question. madfloridian May 2015 #158
the great thing about obama shaayecanaan May 2015 #156
K&R pa28 May 2015 #160
Hillary, ‘The Family,’ and Uganda’s Anti-Gay Christian Mafia BeanMusical May 2015 #162
That just sickens me. madfloridian May 2015 #167
Yes, it's sickening... BeanMusical Jun 2015 #168
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