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Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
204. Kagan: "There is no Constitutional right to same sex marriage."
Thu May 10, 2012, 08:02 PM
May 2012

That is probably the same answer anyone nominated by Romney would give.

congrats, you have the first cynical thread complaining about what should be celebrated. dionysus May 2012 #1
Thanks, dion. elleng May 2012 #2
you're most welcome dionysus May 2012 #3
Can you understand the cynicism? EOTE May 2012 #5
Do the motivations really matter? treestar May 2012 #15
Yes, of course the motivations matter. EOTE May 2012 #22
I trust you'll be voting for him in November cali May 2012 #24
OK. Trust all you'd like. EOTE May 2012 #26
so what does he have to do? cali May 2012 #27
Well, a good start would be to make good on his promise with regard to MMJ. EOTE May 2012 #29
Jeezus, why assume I'm going to say something? Hold onto your horses cali May 2012 #39
Wait, you ask me what he can do to earn my vote and then insult me? EOTE May 2012 #43
His ACTIONS got DADT repealed and stopped the enforcement of DOMA emulatorloo May 2012 #54
And what actions were those? EOTE May 2012 #63
A president cannot overturn a law -- only Congress can do that. AtomicKitten May 2012 #79
Thank you for facts nt SunsetDreams May 2012 #82
You don't want facts, you just want words that back up your emotions. EOTE May 2012 #87
In that case here have an emoticon SunsetDreams May 2012 #113
Wow, substantial! NT EOTE May 2012 #114
It was declared unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #86
He made sure the law was gone PERMANENTLY. AtomicKitten May 2012 #91
No, it was declared unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #97
It was declared unconstitutional in a district court if I recall treestar May 2012 #162
EOs don't repeal laws. Read the Youngstown decision. nt msanthrope May 2012 #137
Where did he say "I refuse to overturn DADT"? SunsetDreams May 2012 #80
He said that he didn't support it, he called for its repeal, it was declared unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #85
Ahhh I see SunsetDreams May 2012 #88
No, especially not considering that it was declared unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #90
Again are you referring to an EO? SunsetDreams May 2012 #99
Presidents can NOT enact laws which are unconstitutional. EOTE May 2012 #103
Did the Supremes rule it unconstitutional? No, it was a lower court ruling. AtomicKitten May 2012 #106
There would have been NOTHING preventing the administration from solidifying the repeal after an EO. EOTE May 2012 #109
You're wrong. It would be appealed all the way to the Supremes. AtomicKitten May 2012 #121
You do the happy dance all you'd like. EOTE May 2012 #182
Bullshit--EOs don't repeal laws. Please don't use politcal pundits for legal analysis. nt msanthrope May 2012 #139
"Codifying the repeal of DADTafter such an EO...." cliffordu May 2012 #169
LOL Mr Dixon May 2012 #154
That's got nothing to do with marriage equality, which the thread is about treestar May 2012 #161
Threadjack much?? cliffordu May 2012 #170
It's about every time Obama has used rhetoric in exchange for actual action. EOTE May 2012 #180
What actions? treestar May 2012 #160
Exactly, what actions? EOTE May 2012 #181
What did he promise here? treestar May 2012 #184
I don't expect him to make it his only issue. EOTE May 2012 #191
You mean like DADT??? Yep, he stands where he stands. cliffordu May 2012 #167
I understand that some DU'ers like throwing wet blankets on any positive news emulatorloo May 2012 #20
Do you have anything substantial to add, or just want to throw out fluff? EOTE May 2012 #25
Are you able to converse without being nasty and divisive? emulatorloo May 2012 #51
Says the one who responds to a legitimate OP with an insult. EOTE May 2012 #53
Good grief, stop putting words in people's mouths emulatorloo May 2012 #61
And what words might those be? EOTE May 2012 #64
I'm not angry. You are projecting. emulatorloo May 2012 #69
So a bunch of spittle and no substance. EOTE May 2012 #70
You're still projecting emulatorloo May 2012 #72
And you have still yet to offer any information of substance. EOTE May 2012 #74
I gave you my answers in post #51 emulatorloo May 2012 #93
No, actually you haven't. EOTE May 2012 #102
lol that was a good one... project much? (question purely rhetorical) inna May 2012 #205
Nailed it! SunsetDreams May 2012 #57
Well..... cliffordu May 2012 #171
Yup. Lots of DUers... SidDithers May 2012 #190
Politically that would have been ignorant rufus dog May 2012 #100
Yep, precisely. cliffordu May 2012 #172
He could have waited until after the election (and he won) I suppose Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #112
I don't know if this is going to help or hurt him politically. EOTE May 2012 #116
Right Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #118
You just knew there'd be one treestar May 2012 #9
Nothing short of divorcing Michelle and marrying a Solomon May 2012 #31
Trust me, even that would not be good enough emulatorloo May 2012 #65
If you actually believe anyone anywhere relating to the pro-side of Lionessa May 2012 #73
um... okay. Solomon May 2012 #76
Actually, it's not much of a change from what he's said before... joeybee12 May 2012 #34
Congrats, you have the first cynical response complaining about us not celebrating enough. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #186
Well, he IS a politician bigwillq May 2012 #4
I think his "evolution" was fast-tracked (unintentionally) by VP Biden. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #6
I think VP's statements were part of the rollout. emulatorloo May 2012 #19
Yup. I said just that a couple of days ago. MineralMan May 2012 #32
Judging by Carney's performances at press briefings, he wasn't let in on the plan. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #58
No, I think Carney knew. But, it's not his place MineralMan May 2012 #68
Ah...cynicism. MineralMan May 2012 #7
It's a risk Politicalboi May 2012 #8
Yes, it could, in certain places, elleng May 2012 #18
It could hurt him BIG... regnaD kciN May 2012 #30
He doesn't have to fight for it. progressoid May 2012 #10
If he's re-elected he'll be appointing SC Justices. cali May 2012 #13
More Justices like Elena Kagan? Pab Sungenis May 2012 #187
See post #163. Ikonoklast May 2012 #192
Loving v. Virginia. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #193
Ruling was correctly based on discrimination and equal protection under that amendment. Ikonoklast May 2012 #196
Are you saying there's no discrimination in anti-gay-marriage laws? Pab Sungenis May 2012 #197
Straw man. Ikonoklast May 2012 #202
And why should human rights be left to the states? Lionessa May 2012 #71
Agreed progressoid May 2012 #83
Marriage is a state function treestar May 2012 #163
Loving v. Virginia. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #194
That interpreted a state law as unconstitutional treestar May 2012 #195
The state laws were unconstitutional Pab Sungenis May 2012 #198
Kagan? treestar May 2012 #203
Kagan: "There is no Constitutional right to same sex marriage." Pab Sungenis May 2012 #204
This is an enormous step in fighting for it. cali May 2012 #11
it's a ploy in the right direction Enrique May 2012 #12
and we DUers don't WANT him to get donations, and get re-elected??? elleng May 2012 #14
there's DUers that have been campaigning against him since 2007, who most certainly want him to lose dionysus May 2012 #38
Right. Thanks again, dion. elleng May 2012 #42
i'm going to work on the garden myself, it beats stress to a pulp dionysus May 2012 #47
LUCKY! elleng May 2012 #55
The statement ProSense May 2012 #16
First POTUS to endorse marriage equality emulatorloo May 2012 #17
Good Gawd!!!nt SunsetDreams May 2012 #21
I understand what you're saying gratuitous May 2012 #23
Let me help ... please move these to their new location. JoePhilly May 2012 #28
That thing should have wheels on it. Solomon May 2012 #35
+1 n/t FSogol May 2012 #45
Perfect. nt chowder66 May 2012 #75
+1000. The good news is this thread hasn't even made 10 recs. That's progress at DU. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #208
Actions speak louder than words, true Rex May 2012 #33
You mean like his statements that he'd be friendly to MMJ? EOTE May 2012 #36
There weren't enough votes for the public option ecstatic May 2012 #40
He took the PO off the table before the debate even began. EOTE May 2012 #50
Could you post a link on the PO deal being taken off the table by Obama please? chowder66 May 2012 #92
Are you going to fight for it? ecstatic May 2012 #37
I've been doing everything I can to support marriage equality Lionessa May 2012 #78
He's already been fighting for it. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #41
good points! Bluerthanblue May 2012 #52
throwing punches here and there for political reasons, not to be confused with "fighting" inna May 2012 #206
right Bolo Boffin May 2012 #207
This should tell you what you need to know: Hell Hath No Fury May 2012 #44
. dionysus May 2012 #48
The minute he comes out unequivocally for -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2012 #56
Exactly. If it is a human right, then it can't be voted on state by state. Lionessa May 2012 #81
He urged Congress to repeal DOMA. So there you go. ieoeja May 2012 #105
How can that be done? treestar May 2012 #165
"throw the gays a bone" day AtomicKitten May 2012 #62
He could. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #200
Or "throw a bone... Pab Sungenis May 2012 #188
Umm, I wouldn't call this a ploy to get re-elected. Bake May 2012 #46
I'd call it a ploy. Pab Sungenis May 2012 #189
We disagree. Bake May 2012 #199
Let's see, a state critical to his re-election (NC) voted against marriage equality and you say WI_DEM May 2012 #49
Announcing this before the NC vote wouldn't have changed anything chowder66 May 2012 #59
Baby steps. If he doesn't get re-elected, he can't fight to repeal DOMA or anything else we need. phleshdef May 2012 #60
I doubt it's a ploy. This could cost him NC and OH, and possibly the election n/t Blaukraut May 2012 #66
So would you rather he had not said it? Just curious. yellowcanine May 2012 #67
No, my post was in response the the six or so OPs demanding donations Lionessa May 2012 #84
So you created an OP SunsetDreams May 2012 #94
Again, no, you are spinning. The OPs weren't just offering links. Lionessa May 2012 #95
So DU'ers were forcing you to donate to the Obama campaign? emulatorloo May 2012 #98
Are you incapable of language comprehension. I said demanding, not forcing. Lionessa May 2012 #104
"hey wait a minute, don't let the salesman sell you a lemon" SunsetDreams May 2012 #108
IF someone was to donate strictly for this issue, then yes, that's what I'm saying. Lionessa May 2012 #111
Are you incapable of recognizing humourous teasing? emulatorloo May 2012 #115
I'm not spinning what you said SunsetDreams May 2012 #107
No, I agree it is an important step, but it isn't one that ranks, imo Lionessa May 2012 #96
Where did you go? nt SunsetDreams May 2012 #77
this thread blows. you're moving the goalposts scheming daemons May 2012 #89
No I'm not. But it is good to remind people that he is a pol Lionessa May 2012 #101
a president's words are powerful. saying something IS doing something. scheming daemons May 2012 #110
And meanwhile, his Justice Dept is not enforcing DOMA emulatorloo May 2012 #117
So true! How many times has that been invoked before? treestar May 2012 #166
Will your Romney say one thing and do another? Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #123
DO you guys have anything other than BS to throw? Really, grow up. Lionessa May 2012 #127
no I don't think there was pressure Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #159
You didn't think that all the way through Barely May 2012 #119
He'll never get votes from those agains gay marriage rights, Lionessa May 2012 #120
so what? Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #122
So I had an opinion about that type of political manipulation and I typed it. Lionessa May 2012 #124
I get that you feel demoralized ecstatic May 2012 #129
I'm in no way encouraging anyone to not vote for Obama, Lionessa May 2012 #131
He would have gotten the votes from civil union supporters Barely May 2012 #125
Independents wouldn't contribute or not based on this issue, only the GLBTs Lionessa May 2012 #132
Really? Ya think so? That's not what this week's poll said about Indies... ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #134
Marriage equality, please. Are you saying he should continue supporting "separate but equal" instead uppityperson May 2012 #201
then don't donate maddezmom May 2012 #130
I didn't. Then I opined. The problem is? Lionessa May 2012 #133
. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #135
BULLSHIT THREAD! one_voice May 2012 #126
Only if your head is in the sand. Lionessa May 2012 #128
So Obama is full if shit and just pandering for campaign contributions Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #136
Never said he was full of shit, did say he's likely pandering. Lionessa May 2012 #138
Why do you have to escalate what's said SunsetDreams May 2012 #140
Where are you seeing hate and why are you calling people idiots Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #141
I'm getting real tired of the strawman questions. If don't see them Lionessa May 2012 #142
You accused others of hate, just before you called them idiots Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #146
Treading Where Others "Fear" Is Not Why You Are Being Questioned. HangOnKids May 2012 #150
When digging yourself in a hole, sometimes it's wise Solomon May 2012 #143
I'm not in a hole. Nice try though. Lionessa May 2012 #145
Call what as you see what? Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #147
You would have a good point if he didn't stop enforcing DOMA. Boy, liberals sure know how to be Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2012 #144
The leader of the free world supports marriage equality. great white snark May 2012 #148
I know! We should be celebrating! Hell, we SHOULD be uniting!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2012 #152
Or full court press for DADT... Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #149
It's just all too convenient. AngryOldDem May 2012 #151
Who cares?!??! He supports marriage equality! That's all I care about! Now, let's unite and kick Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2012 #153
I just want to make sure he's sincere about it, is all. AngryOldDem May 2012 #156
By that token no one could evolve anything ever treestar May 2012 #168
Interesting. salin May 2012 #155
Where have you been? SunsetDreams May 2012 #157
Lol - was still at work... salin May 2012 #158
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #164
Cranky much? I hope unloading on me makes your evening with others Lionessa May 2012 #173
Go watch Rachel and let a professional crush your argument and "concern" cliffordu May 2012 #174
Go tell your children what to do. I'm not in the least obedient. Lionessa May 2012 #176
No, I hadn't. cliffordu May 2012 #178
It isn't bogus, and it turns out not to even be a posit, in that he got Lionessa May 2012 #183
"Ah, bullshit. Get a job or a fucking hobby. Or a life." just1voice May 2012 #177
Legitimate? cliffordu May 2012 #179
Obama supports his positions, that is a fact as shown by his Presidency. joshcryer May 2012 #175
Some personal deliberation takes thinkers a while. Give it a break. lonestarnot May 2012 #185
Then don't donate. Everyone knows there are different political parties represented here.... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #209
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