How is her provocation any different? (Reply #142)

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Fri May 8, 2015, 10:36 PM

142. How is her provocation any different?

Why is her brand of hate worse than the religious kind?

Or are you saying that Westboro Baptists are simply fans of god?

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In defense of the need to post blasphemous caricatures [View all]	Yorktown	May 2015	OP
Fuck her and the train she came on!	trumad	May 2015	#1
Sorry, not buying it	marym625	May 2015	#2
I don't care about her, I care about freedom.	Yorktown	May 2015	#5
I am 100% for the right for people like her to be swine that they are	marym625	May 2015	#28
For Pete's sake, forget Geller. The problem is the ban on blasphemy	Yorktown	May 2015	#32
You have too much in your post to ignore it	marym625	May 2015	#35
No, the initial confusion due to the misleading original title is fading	Yorktown	May 2015	#44
Yet you target only one religion.....	daleanime	May 2015	#43
Refer to the original text PS: no religion is blameless	Yorktown	May 2015	#46
While I personally will always take the chance to mock any religion...	Oktober	May 2015	#75
In the same way that you do not care about her	kcr	May 2015	#30
did she announce or post something to inform the attendees of her hateful event	notadmblnd	May 2015	#53
UNREC	CrawlingChaos	May 2015	#3
There's nothing about her I can see or care to defend.	babylonsister	May 2015	#4
Again, this post says: let's forget about her. She is not the issue.	Yorktown	May 2015	#6
Then change your title. nt	babylonsister	May 2015	#7
OK, in defense of blasphemous caricatures	Yorktown	May 2015	#9
You gotta right to defend haters.	99Forever	May 2015	#8
OK, OK, I'll change the title	Yorktown	May 2015	#10
Your post, your choice.	99Forever	May 2015	#13
Well, de facto, you defend the censors.	Yorktown	May 2015	#14
Hey, if that's what you wnat to believe, enjoy.	99Forever	May 2015	#49
No, no, no. There's no defense of her.	kcr	May 2015	#11
I changed the thread title, not the text	Yorktown	May 2015	#12
Okay, but the discussion has been about Pam Geller and what she did. n/t	kcr	May 2015	#18
only due to a misleading original title	Yorktown	May 2015	#20
Um. But aren't you the OP? n/t	kcr	May 2015	#21
The OP stands. The text is unchanged.	Yorktown	May 2015	#23
Ok. Then my post stands unchanged, too.	kcr	May 2015	#24
Well then, we disagree. I refuse stealth blasphemy laws.	Yorktown	May 2015	#47
Yeah, having brushed aside Geller	kcr	May 2015	#56
LOL. The "little beef I have with Islam"	Yorktown	May 2015	#58
Lets just go around insulting people and call it free speech	LeftInTX	May 2015	#15
Good idea...	Fumesucker	May 2015	#17
ideologies are not people. religious demands deserve no respect.	Yorktown	May 2015	#22
Muhammad can't be insulted. He's dead.	Coventina	May 2015	#60
If only religious types could agree with you	Yorktown	May 2015	#63
She insulted Muslims	LeftInTX	May 2015	#93
She may have insulted Muslims, but not with cartoons of Muhammad.	Coventina	May 2015	#94
In point of fact, one can. Have you ever read the Rude Pundit, e.g.?	WinkyDink	May 2015	#103
+1000	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#136
It is - we have the First Amendment right to insult people	treestar	May 2015	#204
You must respect religion or you deserve eternal torture!	Fumesucker	May 2015	#16
I hope you are not suspecting me of unbelief?	Yorktown	May 2015	#19
Emo Philips naiils it..	Fumesucker	May 2015	#25
A very 'moving' story (with a downward direction)	Yorktown	May 2015	#26
I am Catholic. When piss Jesus	840high	May 2015	#27
Exactly the point I was trying to make	Yorktown	May 2015	#33
These events do not occur in a vacuum	CrawlingChaos	May 2015	#34
The Muslims are doing their share - I don't	840high	May 2015	#39
unbelievably ignorant statement	CrawlingChaos	May 2015	#50
You must live in a cave if	840high	May 2015	#54
I know right? And have you heard???	CrawlingChaos	May 2015	#65
there is no 'muslim' anger	Yorktown	May 2015	#40
Well sure, what could they possibly have to be angry about?	CrawlingChaos	May 2015	#51
Unlike what you appear to think, 1.6Bn muslims are not an homogeneous body	Yorktown	May 2015	#57
the radicals are doing a lot in many countries	samsingh	May 2015	#45
"Where in the world are Catholics being subjected to the equivalent of what is happening to Muslims?	oberliner	May 2015	#68
No pockets of anti-Christian persecution can compare to Western Imperialism	CrawlingChaos	May 2015	#70
You have no idea what you are talking about	oberliner	May 2015	#72
OMG - try harder	CrawlingChaos	May 2015	#73
No pockets of anti-Christian persecution can compare to Western Imperialism?? Really???	Yorktown	May 2015	#77
Please describe where...	CrawlingChaos	May 2015	#82
Under jihadi rule!!! n/t	Yo_Mama	May 2015	#229
Guess how many billions of Muslims have never killed anyone. nt	greyl	May 2015	#67
However, they subscribe to a faith...	Oktober	May 2015	#76
Plus the fact many muslims only know their faith second hand	Yorktown	May 2015	#79
Most Muslims don't either.	treestar	May 2015	#201
IMHO, blasphemy is not only a freedom, it is obligatory.	longship	May 2015	#29
Blasphemy is obligatory IF someone tries to stop you from doing it	Yorktown	May 2015	#36
Well, there are plenty of people trying to stop blasphemy.	longship	May 2015	#48
True, but you also need to look at the event in context.	RandySF	May 2015	#31
Forget the context, forget Geller: my point is on free speech	Yorktown	May 2015	#37
So posting offensive caricatures ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#106
Yes, absolutely	Yorktown	May 2015	#125
There is no "need" to post blasphemous caricatures.	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#38
Were the Charlie Hebdo people Pamela geller?	Yorktown	May 2015	#42
One has a right ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#52
Well, some DU'rs here support tacit blasphemy laws.	Yorktown	May 2015	#59
We, as a nation ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#61
We, as a nation ...	Yorktown	May 2015	#62
...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#64
... but no cigar	Yorktown	May 2015	#66
Yr seething about the BBC choosing to be culturally sensitive??	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#78
I am not a nationalist	Yorktown	May 2015	#83
And I am not a British citizen...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#86
Fine then, you are in denial ..	Yorktown	May 2015	#123
Has it occurred to you that the entire world isn't obsessed with drawing fucking Mohammed?	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#150
Has it occured tyo you it's a topic of the week?	Yorktown	May 2015	#153
So's Pam Geller, but you've been demanding people forget about her...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#156
LOL what a deft discussionist you are	Yorktown	May 2015	#167
So I take that as 'nope, I never posted anything condemning the sacking of that cartoonist'	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#178
Well why don't you use the N word - don't you have to in order	treestar	May 2015	#205
the N word is directed to the nature of people, religion is not	Yorktown	May 2015	#232
People who want to see it can go and find it	treestar	May 2015	#206
"Let people find it elsewhere" is a nice cover for censorship	Yorktown	May 2015	#234
It's not censorship	treestar	May 2015	#235
What a straw man	treestar	May 2015	#203
"tacit laws" means unwritten rules which are enforced by fear	Yorktown	May 2015	#233
There is no need for any US citizen to disrespect anyone's political beliefs either	oberliner	May 2015	#69
One's religious beliefs ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#71
Politics and politicians are real...	Oktober	May 2015	#80
Whether you believe that another's deity ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#95
What is wrong with mocking folks who believe in something they've never seen...	Oktober	May 2015	#96
What's wrong with NOT mocking such folks?	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#100
Just trying to move humanity beyond the dark ages...	Oktober	May 2015	#108
And mocking the religious beliefs of others ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#110
Absolutely...	Oktober	May 2015	#111
So ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#113
Different categories...	Oktober	May 2015	#114
Well, you just go ahead and do that ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#116
I doubt I will see it...	Oktober	May 2015	#121
A thousand years from now ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#122
Hey, you're pessimistic...	Oktober	May 2015	#124
Hopefully, religion will be gone in one or two millenia	Yorktown	May 2015	#129
Yeah, that'll happen. n/t	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#172
Probably, and hopefully, yes.	Yorktown	May 2015	#177
Religion has existed since the dawn of time ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#179
Cannibalism has existed since the dawn of time..	Yorktown	May 2015	#181
...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#182
You could choose to do that politely	treestar	May 2015	#208
You claimed that scientologists are inferior to other believers.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#157
Where did I say ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#164
Most athiests I know declare them all equally "unreal".	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#166
If only that were true....	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#81
I didn't deny ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#97
It makes them fair game for criticism and mockery.	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#98
Religion is not something you fight ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#101
Oh bull. They politicize from the pulpit and fund issues and politicians to push their dogma.	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#102
Yeah, okay, whatever.	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#105
You just insulted scientolgists by saying they weren't part of a religion.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#141
I didn't mock Scientology.	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#158
Is Mormonism "real"? Are there any other "not real" religions?	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#159
You judged all scientolgists because you met a few you didn't like.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#161
Where did I say ...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#162
You scolded people for mocking one religion but see nothing wrong with what you said?	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#169
If you think that's EXACTLY what Pammy Geller does you don't much much about Geller...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#163
I don't see much difference between her and other bigots.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#168
Not every single religious person feels exactly the same	treestar	May 2015	#210
You must think I'm an idiot. As an athiest, I'm a minority. I know lots of religious people.	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#212
Your prior post did seem to apply a very broad brush	treestar	May 2015	#213
Who said anything about "refusing to speak or associate with" them"?	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#214
Well then I take that back	treestar	May 2015	#217
By the way, have you seen the laws being passed regarding reproductive choice?	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#215
Do you have to take everything at its most possible worst intent	treestar	May 2015	#218
"Nasty"? "Attack"? What the fuck?	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#220
geez I am on the same fucking side as you are	treestar	May 2015	#221
Are you completely unaware of the legislation restricting access to abortion?	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#223
Of course they read DU, PeaceNikki.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#225
If we'd just stop being so hysterical we could see that Jesus only gives us what we can handle.	PeaceNikki	May 2015	#226
We should trust the religious to stop themselves from oppressing us.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#227
Yes, you are right.	Yo_Mama	May 2015	#230
We are only guaranteed we will not be arrested and prosecuted for a crime	treestar	May 2015	#207
There are no blasphemy laws in the United States	treestar	May 2015	#202
you make good points	samsingh	May 2015	#41
Unrec	obnoxiousdrunk	May 2015	#55
America - the land where people NEED to draw Mohammed...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#74
Do not make a post like this ever again	oberliner	May 2015	#85
I'd make it my sig line, but it maxxed out the word limit n/t	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#87
Or what?	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#117
Extremist Americans have been known to do some crazy things	oberliner	May 2015	#119
From your post, it seems like you were the person who felt incited.	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#120
Yeah, I'm interested in being filled in on these consequences...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#185
The people who want to prevent speech they don't like scare me more	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#222
The poster IMO was trying to make the point	treestar	May 2015	#209
I'm a failure as an American.	NuclearDem	May 2015	#88
Ever made fun of George W Bush?	oberliner	May 2015	#89
Yeah, but it's just not the same.	NuclearDem	May 2015	#90
All the time. What's that got to do with insulting minority groups? n/t	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#91
I find your attitude insulting to muslims	Yorktown	May 2015	#127
American Muslims would be offended that I see them as a minority group?	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#146
You live in dreamland	Yorktown	May 2015	#152
Yr not doing too well on the answering questions thing...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#160
Right. Perfect. Protect me then. I'm in the Moloch believing minority.	Yorktown	May 2015	#165
You do like trying to dictate what people can and can't discuss...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#171
I just try to stay on topic	Yorktown	May 2015	#175
No, you don't. Yr all over the shop...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#180
Again, you're dancing against the totem pole	Yorktown	May 2015	#184
Sorry, wrong on all counts...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#188
Nope, I'm dead on target	Yorktown	May 2015	#189
Maybe off in that dreamland place you spoke of, but not here...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#191
You are in denial or deluded	Yorktown	May 2015	#193
No I'm not. That post did NOT say you shouldn't 'mock' minorities...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#194
Do tell me what you think your post was saying	Yorktown	May 2015	#195
Click on it. Then click on the link to the post I was replying to...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#196
Crikey, you sure love going in circles. And you wrote a gem.	Yorktown	May 2015	#197
Fair lick of the lino, cobber!	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#198
1.6 billion people is NOT a minority group.	Binkie The Clown	May 2015	#128
They are a minority group in the US....	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#143
So, as an atheist, I truly AM a minorty, so	Binkie The Clown	May 2015	#145
Do you have a tendency to ask really bizarre and random questions?	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#148
Is being a minority a free pass? will you protect Moloch?	Yorktown	May 2015	#154
A free pass from what exactly?	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#155
Why are you discriminating against Moloch?	Yorktown	May 2015	#170
I'll try asking again. What do you think people are getting a 'free pass' from?	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#173
Making death threats against people not bound by their laws.	Binkie The Clown	May 2015	#190
Yr confusing me with someone else. I never said making death threats was okay...	Violet_Crumble	May 2015	#192
Religion doesn't deserve any extra respect or special rules.	Oneironaut	May 2015	#84
Damn! So many people have taken you to task here.	cbayer	May 2015	#92
There is no "need" to post such images.	Tommy_Carcetti	May 2015	#99
TWO incorrect words: "need" AND "blasphemous." There is no "need," and "blasphemous" is relative.	WinkyDink	May 2015	#104
What a marvelous idea!!	guillaumeb	May 2015	#107
What Geller did is no different than what Westboro Baptists and the KKK do.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#133
she provoked, knowing well that violence might happen.	guillaumeb	May 2015	#138
How is her provocation any different?	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#142
So radicals threatening violence win	Yorktown	May 2015	#187
In a free society, the problem is not Geller but those who will respond with violence.	Yo_Mama	May 2015	#231
Mockery will force reform. Your attitude is patronizing of muslims.	Yorktown	May 2015	#135
calling names leads to dialogue?	guillaumeb	May 2015	#149
And you are perfectly within your rights...	99Forever	May 2015	#109
Riiiiight. And Voltaire was a stupid man.	Yorktown	May 2015	#147
News flash pal.	99Forever	May 2015	#199
How about voluntarily not mocking others' beliefs because you aren't an asshole?	6000eliot	May 2015	#112
How about recognizing there are sick fucks using religious texts to abuse women and minorities?	seveneyes	May 2015	#118
Beliefs are either right or wrong	Yorktown	May 2015	#130
Keep telling yourself that the actions of the Yahoos in Texas was non-violent in intent.	6000eliot	May 2015	#151
I still support the First Amendment. I support it for Nazis, and for Pamela Gellar.	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#115
I stand with the ACLU.	beam me up scottie	May 2015	#131
The replies to this thread show clearly that some people	Binkie The Clown	May 2015	#126
Amen, brother	Yorktown	May 2015	#132
Man the parapets!	okasha	May 2015	#134
Are you mocking me?	Binkie The Clown	May 2015	#137
Don't cry, Binkie.	Yorktown	May 2015	#140
NO! Hoist the white flag of cartooning	Yorktown	May 2015	#139
Pick one: I will not mock Mohammed because...	Binkie The Clown	May 2015	#144
How is drawing Mohamed fighting this danger?	treestar	May 2015	#211
How is cowering and saying, "yes sir, Mr. Terrorist. We'll do whatever you say"	Binkie The Clown	May 2015	#216
BTW I always wanted to ask people	treestar	May 2015	#219
"You may only be as peaceful as your neighbor allows you to be."	Binkie The Clown	May 2015	#224
Imagine all the popular culture horror movies with pentagrams and covens....	Marrah_G	May 2015	#174
What do you believe in?	Yorktown	May 2015	#176
I believe in not harming others if they offend me :)	Marrah_G	May 2015	#183
You believe in not harming others if they offend you?? Shame on you.	Yorktown	May 2015	#186
I don't always blaspheme, but when I do...	aka-chmeee	May 2015	#200
WELL SAID: "Mrs Geller is the nasty knight of a just cause."	Yo_Mama	May 2015	#228

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