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MohRokTah

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164. No $1 billion = GUARANTEED LOSS

Fri May 8, 2015, 10:23 AM

May 2015

It's a fact. That's the price for entry into the white house. If a candidate is incapable of raising $1 billion, that candidate is incapable of winning the general election.

There is no try, only do. Raise $1 billion or give up any hope of being in the white house in the afternoon of January 20, 2017.

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The Candidate I agree the MOST with on the issues is Bernie Sanders [View all] MohRokTah May 2015 OP

That's understandable el_bryanto May 2015 #1

If I voted my views in 2008, I would have gone with Kucinich. MohRokTah May 2015 #4

Well, I'll definitely vote for octoberlib May 2015 #2

I would definitely vote for Bernie if he won the nomination. MohRokTah May 2015 #3

It must be a real burden being able to see into the future. I think it's fine to Snotcicles May 2015 #44

Lay out Bernie's path to victory, then. MohRokTah May 2015 #46

First of all I think people aren't as afraid of that word as they once were. Snotcicles May 2015 #61

You didn't answer the question. MohRokTah May 2015 #75

You don't want to know BrotherIvan May 2015 #149

When Bernie can bypass the CORPORATE controlled media, people will discover he supports their issues cascadiance May 2015 #67

You failed to answer the question MohRokTah May 2015 #76

I think Americans now want to look beyond who the media tells them to buy ('er vote for) cascadiance May 2015 #109

Again, you failed to answer the question. MohRokTah May 2015 #111

And you fail to acknowledge that we don't think an election is ONLY about money! cascadiance May 2015 #124

And yet again, you failed to answer the questions. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #128

I don't need to, and I'm done arguing ludicrous points that don't really mean anything.... cascadiance May 2015 #129

There is NO point more important than victory in the GE. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #134

Welcome to Fantasy Island? yallerdawg May 2015 #138

Redder states don't vote for raising the minimum wage or legalizing pot... cascadiance May 2015 #155

The MYTH of redder states? yallerdawg May 2015 #156

More of that Sanders supporter magical thinking that we keep seeing stevenleser May 2015 #181

I hit my head against the same wall in another thread BrotherIvan May 2015 #150

Then why don't they elect members of Congress who support those views? NYC Liberal May 2015 #160

I disagree that he needs a billion dollars. nt Snotcicles May 2015 #83

You can disagree all you want. MohRokTah May 2015 #86

Thats what we are being told, I hear everyday by the same media outlets that will benefit. Snotcicles May 2015 #93

You don't have to "buy it", but neverless it is a FACT. MohRokTah May 2015 #94

It's not a FACT it's an assumption. We won't know until after the Fact. nt Snotcicles May 2015 #196

It IS A FACT MohRokTah May 2015 #197

It's much more than that for me although that is a big deal. stevenleser May 2015 #5

I think the MOST IMPORTANT question for our candidates is as follows. MohRokTah May 2015 #6

I strongly disagree Martin Eden May 2015 #42

Speculating using available evidence, i.e. 24 years in congress. That's a good basis. stevenleser May 2015 #43

Your objections make no sense. Martin Eden May 2015 #47

Vermont Republicans vote for him. immoderate May 2015 #58

The question was about Republicans in congress voting for his bills. stevenleser May 2015 #59

You mean, as opposed to the great cooperation from Republicans now? immoderate May 2015 #69

No. Once again, Bernie is running on being transformative, being especially progressive. And he cant stevenleser May 2015 #115

You can't say "can't" until it's been tried. immoderate May 2015 #121

Lol, of course. Republicans will pass living wage legislation because it's Bernie asking stevenleser May 2015 #180

Oh? Upon whose request do YOU think Republicans will pass living wage legislation? immoderate May 2015 #182

Bernie is the only one running on a transformative more progressive than thou platform stevenleser May 2015 #185

Yes. He is the only one. immoderate May 2015 #188

So again, how does he get that stuff passed. If he can't, his candidacy stevenleser May 2015 #191

Better to elect someone with no desire to pass the legislation? immoderate May 2015 #192

Better to elect someone who will put forward and pass ACA than try single payer and fail stevenleser May 2015 #193

ACA is passed. Does it matter that it's a scam? immoderate May 2015 #194

Does it matter that you think it's a scam? No. Nt stevenleser May 2015 #195

I disagree that he would not work with Republicans if he had to treestar May 2015 #90

Bernie would be willing to work with, but not capitulate to, Republicans Martin Eden May 2015 #105

WRONG! Without Bernie's leadership, we wouldn't have audited the Fed! cascadiance May 2015 #52

Hooray, we audited the Fed! And that changed no ones life at all. nt stevenleser May 2015 #54

How do you KNOW it didn't change anything. The public is more aware of what goes on in it. cascadiance May 2015 #70

Sunlight is the best disinfectant AgingAmerican May 2015 #118

I don't think he even intends to win treestar May 2015 #88

I don't either but of course it's sacrilege to say so. stevenleser May 2015 #100

I wonder if there will be any intelligent discussion about socialism during this campaign. world wide wally May 2015 #7

Yes, the US has cultural amnesia when it comes to socialism deutsey May 2015 #11

Like Sanders, I'm a Democratic Socialist deutsey May 2015 #8

personaly, i would disassociate him from the word, defining him as an early 80's dem. no more. seabeyond May 2015 #9

Here's the thing, for many of us, primaries are the exact time to vote for ideals. KittyWampus May 2015 #10

+1 deutsey May 2015 #12

. Rex May 2015 #13

. stevenleser May 2015 #14

Missed the point by that much! Rex May 2015 #15

Using an internet poll to make your point is simple foolishness. MohRokTah May 2015 #21

Ah but that poster says that WE don't get it. LMAO! stevenleser May 2015 #28

I'm waiting until I see the primary numbers, but I too am a practical democrat. aikoaiko May 2015 #16

This is why a Sanders/Cinton ticket is unbeatable. Sanders wins the primary & picks Clinton for VP. Hiraeth May 2015 #17

Which is why I vote for issues, policies, and principles. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #18

Which is OF COURSE why if you could magically pick the next POTUS...it would be HRC!!! Rex May 2015 #19

Right? merrily May 2015 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #45

Oh no doubt! Rex May 2015 #56

Yes. Because Socialists are only slightly less hated in this country than Blacks. ieoeja May 2015 #20

Politically speaking, Socialists are unelectable in most of the country. MohRokTah May 2015 #23

+1 BrotherIvan May 2015 #151

It's early yet. Orsino May 2015 #24

I think Sanders would be buried by a lack of funding. MohRokTah May 2015 #25

I am very much afraid you're right. Orsino May 2015 #27

Progressive change has always been slow coming. MohRokTah May 2015 #33

But it hasn't had to fight this much money in a long, long time. n/t Orsino May 2015 #35

But it didn't have instant peer to peer communication across the nation when last it had to fight .. MohRokTah May 2015 #37

Yes. It always comes down to messaging. Orsino May 2015 #41

Blame yourself for no challenger to Hillary Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #26

The really remarkable thing is... yallerdawg May 2015 #30

I find it a passive aggressive behavior Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #31

He took the mantle of Socialist. MohRokTah May 2015 #38

I most certainly DO agree most with Bernie Sanders' positions. MohRokTah May 2015 #36

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #29

What the money people are depending on. mmonk May 2015 #32

I respect your views and opinions, with one caveat herding cats May 2015 #34

My IDEAL candidate in the primary is... MohRokTah May 2015 #39

So, what you're saying is your worried Bernie will win the primary? herding cats May 2015 #53

Nice way to push words into my mouth. MohRokTah May 2015 #74

I apologize for any confusion herding cats May 2015 #85

No, the Primary is when... brooklynite May 2015 #65

The thing is, sometimes Democrats don't agree on who should be sent to the GE herding cats May 2015 #84

I'm happy to vote for whichever candidate best meets my principles... brooklynite May 2015 #91

In 2008 I was in an unusual position. herding cats May 2015 #104

Thanks. Republicans have also tagged him with the "socialist" label. L0oniX May 2015 #40

If we would just for fucking ONCE get behind a person like Bernie he could change the country imnew May 2015 #50

You said it BrotherIvan May 2015 #153

He tagged himself with the term "Democratic Socialist" which simply means pnwmom May 2015 #62

Thanks for your explanation as to how we all should label him. I'll stick to "Democratic Socialist". L0oniX May 2015 #72

I don't agree with you about him unable to educate the vast majority imnew May 2015 #48

We'll have to agree to disagree. MohRokTah May 2015 #49

I disagree with you imnew May 2015 #51

I disagree with you MohRokTah May 2015 #73

The way to rehabilitate the word liberal (and socialist too) is to accept it and define it. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #55

Can't do that in 18 months. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #77

Can't do it at all until someone steps forward. Fortunately, he has. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #123

Won't change a thing. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #127

I don't believe Hillary can win a general election. AtomicKitten May 2015 #57

It is telling that the very first thing you cite against Hillary is the "husband that diddled an intern" pnwmom May 2015 #63

He got a free pass for that behavior at the time from Democrats. AtomicKitten May 2015 #66

FDR was given a free pass on his even more extensive sexual misbehavior. pnwmom May 2015 #68

Hold her responsible for his behavior? No. That's not what I said. AtomicKitten May 2015 #71

"Carpet bombing the opposition"? pnwmom May 2015 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive May 2015 #120

Completely different media environment 75 years ago or even 50. Apples to bar stools. TheKentuckian May 2015 #183

True. But most Americans STILL didn't care what Bill Clinton was doing on the side pnwmom May 2015 #190

You must have lived in some other universe in 2008 than I did. MohRokTah May 2015 #78

well, it is a losing attitude going in. Kind of a Debbie Downer, I think. Hiraeth May 2015 #60

Then lay out his path to victory. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #79

Grassroots all the way. Social media such as FB. Hiraeth May 2015 #132

The Kucinich path to victory MohRokTah May 2015 #136

The repubs are genius at it. Eye roll that. Hiraeth May 2015 #154

The Republicans have money. MohRokTah May 2015 #157

yes, and they are tight with it. That is why they have a strong grass root. Hiraeth May 2015 #161

So again I ask, where does Bernie come up with the required $1 billion? eom MohRokTah May 2015 #162

Who said it is required? The status quo? Screw that. Think outside the box and make the effort. Hiraeth May 2015 #163

No $1 billion = GUARANTEED LOSS MohRokTah May 2015 #164

Do your part and help Bernie raise it. To admit defeat before you even try? I don't accept that. Hiraeth May 2015 #165

Nope, my contributions go to Hillary because I see no path to victory for Bernie. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #166

Tis the blind that can not see. My sympathies for your loss of eyesight. I really doubt Hiraeth May 2015 #167

Same back atcha. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #168

You're attempt to claim defeat for Bernie in the name of Hillary is pitiful. Hiraeth May 2015 #169

I'm not claiming shit. MohRokTah May 2015 #170

Where did you get your Crystal ball? Wal-Mart? You are pitiful. I feel sorry for you. Hiraeth May 2015 #171

Refuse to look at reality all you want. The price of admission to the White House is $1 billion. MohRokTah May 2015 #172

You are the one doing all the wishing. You and Hiraeth May 2015 #173

Can't take the truth. MohRokTah May 2015 #174

You'd prefer Sanders, but you think he can't win the general election. Iggo May 2015 #64

Pretty much. MohRokTah May 2015 #80

That makes no sense. HappyMe May 2015 #110

I'm just gonna go tilt at windmills, if that's alright with you.... mike_c May 2015 #81

Enjoy. MohRokTah May 2015 #82

Yes, it is not just agreement on issues treestar May 2015 #87

The very simple answer to the "unelectability" issue is: If he can beat Hillary, morningfog May 2015 #89

I don't buy that. MohRokTah May 2015 #92

There are many routes. morningfog May 2015 #96

The Democratic primaries are a microcosm of the electorate. MohRokTah May 2015 #97

It has nothing to do with being a microcosm. morningfog May 2015 #98

Taking on a fudnraising machine in a party primary is VERY DIFFERENT MohRokTah May 2015 #99

Today's numbers are the starting point. morningfog May 2015 #101

I think you're fooling yourself MohRokTah May 2015 #102

We'll see in a few months, won't we? morningfog May 2015 #106

I look forward to tellin you "I told you so" MohRokTah May 2015 #107

I'll have a plate of crow ready for you. morningfog May 2015 #108

I agree with Bernie and I will vote for him. HappyMe May 2015 #103

Yes, indeed. The corporate candidates want you to believe exactly that, & that is why I DO support mother earth May 2015 #112

Fortunately, there are no "corporate candidates" in the Democratic field. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #113

You can spot them by their donor list. nt mother earth May 2015 #114

It is illegal for corporations to donate to candidates. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #116

here: mother earth May 2015 #117

Those are listed EMPLOYERS of donors, NOT donors. MohRokTah May 2015 #119

Corporations Have Found Yet Another (Secret) Way To Help Get Politicians Elected mother earth May 2015 #122

And your first link has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. MohRokTah May 2015 #126

I'm calling BS on you if you think all of these "tiny little donations" that amount to billions are mother earth May 2015 #130

So you are saying that my employer made my donation to Obama MohRokTah May 2015 #135

No, I am saying corporations are making donations & it is all perfectly legal to do so. You are mother earth May 2015 #137

It is illegal for corporations to donate to campaigns. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #139

Refer to above in how they do so legally. nt mother earth May 2015 #140

Your links above prove my point MohRokTah May 2015 #141

No, you told me all of the "individual" donations listed above in my first reply are really little mother earth May 2015 #142

Individual donations are not donations from corporations MohRokTah May 2015 #143

Far from it. These "individual" donors are l%ers, with a vested interest in influence. The PACS mother earth May 2015 #144

So you think I am a 1 percenter then MohRokTah May 2015 #145

My link stands. She has corporate donors, she is in fact a corporate candidate, or she would not mother earth May 2015 #146

Your link is bullshit MohRokTah May 2015 #147

I've no doubt she has some small donators who work for corporations. My link is not bullshit, it mother earth May 2015 #148

Your link IS bullshit. MohRokTah May 2015 #184

There are no caps on donations, I've provided links to everything I'm stating, call it what you mother earth May 2015 #198

I'd rather Bernie ran under the same banner he's been waving since he went to Congress. Why... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #125

What issues of Bernie's don't resonate with you? And which issues are not one's most Democrats think May 2015 #131

I would never back Bernie over the "Democrat" in the race. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #133

Good, then when we change that outlook.... daleanime May 2015 #152

What is his path to victory? MohRokTah May 2015 #159

People > money.... daleanime May 2015 #175

I hear that every election. MohRokTah May 2015 #176

Sorry about that.... daleanime May 2015 #177

I'm working towards getting Hillary Clinton elected to the presidency. MohRokTah May 2015 #178

If your happy treading water..... daleanime May 2015 #179

Disissing the truth has always been the realm of idealists. MohRokTah May 2015 #186

Being willing to work toward your beliefs.... daleanime May 2015 #189

Issues drive my vote. LWolf May 2015 #158

Socialism is awesome. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #187