How many of those nations had robust free speech protections prior to said tragedies? (Reply #83)

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Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:06 AM

83. How many of those nations had robust free speech protections prior to said tragedies?

I don't think that Rwanda or the Balkans were known for press freedoms prior to the tragedies that unfolded in those areas.

The US has had a remarkable 200+ year history where press freedom has always been the ideal, even if we have strayed from honoring it during certain dark times. Incendiary language can be countered with better language.

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Judge Rules MTA Must Run ‘Killing Jews Is Worship’ Ad on Buses, Subways [View all]	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	OP
Are you a believer in free speech, or only acceptable speech?	guillaumeb	Apr 2015	#1
Sorry, the concept of freedom of expression is always relative.	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#6
sex with a minor is illegal. But the age of majority varies by country.	guillaumeb	Apr 2015	#8
Just as certain language and rhetoric is considered	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#15
You are correct. Charlie Hebdo's racist nonsense was not	guillaumeb	Apr 2015	#22
We know 'la charmante' Marine and her 'papa ours' very well, thanks.	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#25
Quebecois par naissance, mais j'habite aux EU.	guillaumeb	Apr 2015	#36
On the knife edge, but I'll wager that if you asked the	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#41
racist in the same way as Reagan was racist	guillaumeb	Apr 2015	#68
Nor an absolute; which is why rational people hold varying opinions on its spectrum.	LanternWaste	Apr 2015	#7
How is pushing murder of someone else, freedom of speech?	Rex	Apr 2015	#12
^^^AMEN to that^^^!	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#19
I can't believe they are going to allow this. nt	Rex	Apr 2015	#28
As I said up thread, freedom of expression ad absurdum...	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#29
you are confusing propaganda with reality	guillaumeb	Apr 2015	#21
So how is propaganda calling for the death of Jews, not hate speech?	Rex	Apr 2015	#27
When anti-Semitic propaganda is paid for by a Jew,	guillaumeb	Apr 2015	#38
I would say imo it needs to stop when it comes to public paid for transportation?	Rex	Apr 2015	#44
Voilà la bonne réponse ! There's the right answer!	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#47
"Never said anything about banning it"	jberryhill	Apr 2015	#51
Okay so when someone comes along and replaces the word 'Jew' with XYZ	Rex	Apr 2015	#60
Especially since the music video being "quoted" never says "Jew"	Scootaloo	Apr 2015	#61
I don't think any political ads	Oilwellian	Apr 2015	#63
'Treating speech equally'...well, there's this from Seattle. As LittleBlue so pertinently asks:	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#62
an interesting, free market solution. I like it.	guillaumeb	Apr 2015	#69
Start by asking the religioius clerics who preach that LGBT people should be killed. They do this.	Bluenorthwest	Apr 2015	#88
I believe...	Chan790	Apr 2015	#72
Do you believe if there was an anti-Christian ad on a public transit, it would be treated the same	still_one	Apr 2015	#78
In the US, no, it would not be run.	guillaumeb	Apr 2015	#84
I think you are right	still_one	Apr 2015	#89
Somewhere, I see 'hate speech' in this.	immoderate	Apr 2015	#2
No kidding...	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#4
Hate speech from Pam Geller?	Scurrilous	Apr 2015	#87
For a freedom to be meaningful, it must extend to both the absurd and the extreme.	appal_jack	Apr 2015	#3
In nations where this kind of incendiary language has caused wars costing millions of lives,	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#5
How many of those nations had robust free speech protections prior to said tragedies?	appal_jack	Apr 2015	#83
How much money does the MTA bring in from advertising on busses and trains?	surrealAmerican	Apr 2015	#9
Sounds like a plan - or they could adopt the French method of mediation...	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#11
That's an odd way you phrased it...	Oktober	Apr 2015	#10
Guess I should have rolled out this thing again for the sarcasm-challenged...	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#13
I want to see ads on NCY buses that say "Pamela Geller is a hateful bigot"	cali	Apr 2015	#14
Now, that would be interesting. Do you think the judge	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#17
Fuck yeah	davidpdx	Apr 2015	#76
Hamas MTV?	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2015	#16
I sure do miss Yo! Hamas MTV Raps	frylock	Apr 2015	#32
LOL	snooper2	Apr 2015	#85
I miss the game shows, like Remote Control Detonator.	Dr. Strange	Apr 2015	#73
My favorite category was Dead Or Israeli	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2015	#75
Somebody needs to get to work on those	KamaAina	Apr 2015	#18
Somebody will see to it...but why allow the public square to be polluted	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#20
It's that darned First Amendment.	Comrade Grumpy	Apr 2015	#30
But, advertising in favor of pot legalisation is NOT hate speech.	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#45
The First Amendment doesn't have a "hate speech" exception.	Comrade Grumpy	Apr 2015	#52
Not the case in the nations which lived through the	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#53
I hear you, but that's not how it is here.	Comrade Grumpy	Apr 2015	#64
Major cultural difference between the no-holds-barred	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#67
Good.	951-Riverside	Apr 2015	#23
Sorry? Are you bringing up some jingoistic, 'Murca, fuck yeah!!!!!	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#26
I like how you avoided everything I said and focused on icons	951-Riverside	Apr 2015	#34
And, all Muslims are not Hamas or ISIS sympathizers	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#39
Where did I say anything about "All Muslims"? Go ahead point it out.	951-Riverside	Apr 2015	#40
Please read more closely:	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#42
Stop dodging my question, I don't give a damn about anything else you have to say.	951-Riverside	Apr 2015	#43
Do it yourself, since you persist in putting words into my text which aren't there.	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#46
Post removed	Post removed	Apr 2015	#48
You don't know the meaning of "literally," do you?	Comrade Grumpy	Apr 2015	#31
Ooops! I also said "reincarnation"...	951-Riverside	Apr 2015	#37
teh NAZIS!!12	frylock	Apr 2015	#33
If I were the judge, I think I'd have to make the same decision	tishaLA	Apr 2015	#24
Here's some interesting input by LittleBlue. As a judge how would	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#56
I think the appeals court was wrong nt	tishaLA	Apr 2015	#65
Thanks for answering. Might this go all the way to the SCOTUS?	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#66
More about Pamela Geller	Tierra_y_Libertad	Apr 2015	#35
I love Cali's suggestion up thread	davidpdx	Apr 2015	#77
Court: Anti-Israel ad can be barred from Metro buses	LittleBlue	Apr 2015	#49
Good find, LittleBlue. Hate speech of whatever ilk	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#50
Funny how that works, isn't it?	arcane1	Apr 2015	#54
They exist simultaneously in two different federal court districts	metalbot	Apr 2015	#80
They even exist simultaneously on the same court	Jim Lane	Apr 2015	#86
Oh, joy. I have to see this stupid crap around the city now?	stevenleser	Apr 2015	#55
More of Pamela Geller's handiwork! Enjoy!	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#58
Just tweeted a response to her...	stevenleser	Apr 2015	#57
Well done. Not that she'll pay the least bit of attention.	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#59
People should be outraged by Hamas' genocidal fantasy	tritsofme	Apr 2015	#70
As an NYC resident, I expect these ads to get ye olde vandalism treatment -	LiberalElite	Apr 2015	#71
Good, waste her and her rabid followers' money.	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#74
For people who would not dream of killing Jews	fadedrose	Apr 2015	#79
'Stirring the pot is what it is.' That's what hate speech is intended to do.	Surya Gayatri	Apr 2015	#81
No one will benefit	fadedrose	Apr 2015	#82
It says pro-Israel group	treestar	Apr 2015	#90

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