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33. Make the liberal case, yes!
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:35 AM
Apr 2015

That is right on, I've been saying it for a long time myself. One of the worst problems with our party electing 3rd-way types is that the case for liberal policies is never fought for, never presented to the american people as the needed solution to any problem. Instead we're triangulated into supporting the least worst policy.

" Hillary is a politician, and that kind of means she can absolutely be pressured into doing the right thing. "

I agree that it should not stop after the election, but disagree that she can be moved significantly on any issue that takes money and power away from the monied elite.

For one thing, people say she has no real center as a politician, that she is just a poll-driven power player. I think, at her core, she is deeply and truly onboard with the multinational neo-liberal world view, favoring corporations over local rights, military interventions to secure physical resources for corporate profit, management over labor, etc., she is at heart a corporatist, as is her husband. They have long records to prove it, not to mention the Clinton Global Initiative, and their very active participation in the drafting and passing of NAFTA and the TPP.

For another thing, the kind of people she will be speaking to and including in her cabinet will be people who listen to lobbyists, not to progressive populist opinion. We will not have the leverage, nor the money, to move her, that is all concentrated on the corporatist side.

I posted these disagreements only to expand on your excellent post, and perhaps to add something to the discussion. Ideally, we will have some strong progressive candidate to support in the primary, not holding my breath though.

Making the case for liberal issues is where it's at right now, that will plant seeds in the public's mind in the same way Occupy put income inequality on the map as an important issue. Whether we have a candidate to do it for us, or whether it's up to us to do this through web participation, organizing, demonstrating, and word-of-mouth, it's exactly what we need to do, and we'll need to keep doing so against all odds while the seeds take root.

gawd this is depressing.... mike_c Apr 2015 #1
sounds very progressive don't it? n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #2
There isn't much progressive about watching social issues justiceischeap Apr 2015 #4
Boom. Yes. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #6
Yup. Sometimes progress is measured one inch at a time. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #26
Yeah. There's that. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #3
The advancement of Gay Rights during the Obama Administration... bvar22 Apr 2015 #81
I completely agree with you. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #82
Your ideas make me smile......in agreement. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #5
A lot of doughy, old white men... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #7
And I hope they'll dissolve into nothingness... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #8
Oh Lord that would be nice. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #12
how about congress members and other state and local officials JI7 Apr 2015 #9
Not me I like coronations, Primaries are just a waste of time. bahrbearian Apr 2015 #10
Did you forget the "sarcasm" smiley? CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #11
I have to agree with the last treestar Apr 2015 #13
There always was sexism behind it, yes. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #16
I'll support her liberal policies and differ to the cynics for criticism. joshcryer Apr 2015 #14
Expect alert swarms. L0oniX Apr 2015 #15
I know. And I never understand that. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #18
Debate is a good thing. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #17
Debate's ALWAYS a good thing. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #19
Make the liberal case, yes! dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #33
You're pointing out some important stuff here. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #35
Terrific post! RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #20
Bill Hicks was a great American. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #21
You'll get no disagreements from me on that! RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #23
And, this is how the people VOTE ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #29
And on "extreme left" issues Americans voted directly in a bipartisan fashion FOR them... cascadiance Apr 2015 #57
All while elected State Houses that openly represent the opposite ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #61
And the big media supported the corporate candidates that were the only ones heard... cascadiance Apr 2015 #67
If people don't get off their asses leftynyc Apr 2015 #38
I wish I could tattoo your statement on everybody's face backwards... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #79
No - I really don't leftynyc Apr 2015 #80
What about after she gets the nomination until election day? DCBob Apr 2015 #24
I'll always tell people who I'm voting for... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #25
Seems you dont really care who ultimately wins. DCBob Apr 2015 #31
Your first statement is silly. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #34
A hatrick of sillier responses. DCBob Apr 2015 #47
I made four statements. Learn your sports metaphors. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #48
waste of effort. DCBob Apr 2015 #60
And yet, you're still commenting. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #64
Wouldn't you pre-General Election time ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #27
Not really. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #28
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #30
Well, woo for you. realFedUp Apr 2015 #32
The fact that you needed to comment shows your error. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Apr 2015 #42
Ad hominem arguments mean I'm doing something right. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #43
Sounds like a realistic plan. Thanks. nt pnwmom Apr 2015 #37
Yeah. I wanted to sort it all out for myself, and I thought people might connect with it. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #44
I often wonder.... Novara Apr 2015 #39
And ultimately, I don't know that... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #41
I agree. Raise hell.... Novara Apr 2015 #45
Sigh. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #46
sounds like a miserable existence lame54 Apr 2015 #49
Good! ananda Apr 2015 #50
Yes. Plus there is a primary. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #51
Another way to look at it... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #52
And the wealth gap remains the same. WillTwain Apr 2015 #53
whether someone believes her or not, HRC has said her vote and the Iraq war was a mistake. She has still_one Apr 2015 #54
These are all good points. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #55
Criticizing is appropriate exercise of our rights, and to influence people still_one Apr 2015 #63
Yes. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #66
Of course still_one Apr 2015 #70
Great post! nevergiveup Apr 2015 #56
Agreed. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #58
Also, Mark Twain is RIGHTEOUS. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #59
Whoopdee-freakin'-doo...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #62
Sid! paulbibeau Apr 2015 #65
Well, we can't all have your alleged writing prowess...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #72
I've alleged nothing of the sort. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #73
Sounds fair to me. Jamastiene Apr 2015 #68
Thanks. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #69
I'm pretty sure the flame icon isn't about the post being controversial mythology Apr 2015 #71
Yeah, but I've also read the responses... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #74
I like your attitude. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #75
Yeah. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #77
Tread lightly as it seems the 'purge' of hillary detractors started yesterday. I guess the primary Purveyor Apr 2015 #76
Paul is 75 miles away from Chicago, heading toward that city... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #78
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