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Bluenorthwest

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15. It's a primary. Anyone who does not know
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:54 AM
Mar 2015

that primaries have various candidates to vote for and thus must offer up sexist Reagan officials and homophobic Third Way types has some issues, and anyone who dislikes Hilary so intently that they'd vote for Kaine is just flipping buggy. He has all of her negative qualities three fold and. none of the positives.
Webb, like his emphasis on prison reform. Can't stand anything else about him. Kaine is to me every last thing that is wrong in this Party distilled into a smirking arrogant Virginian.
Kaine, 2005: ""No couples in Virginia can adopt other than a married couple — that's the right policy. Gay individuals should be able to adopt."

Webb, 2004 on John Kerry: "To be sure, Kerry deserves condemnation for his activities as the leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). In the early 1970s, this small organization — never more than 7,000 veterans out of a potential pool of 9 million — became the darling of the anti-war movement and the liberal media. Its activities went far beyond simply criticizing the politics of the war to repeatedly and dishonestly misrepresenting the service of Vietnam veterans and the positive feelings most felt after serving.

Kerry and his VVAW compatriots portrayed their fellow veterans as unwilling soldiers, morally debased and haunted by their service. While this might have fit a small minority, the most accurate survey, done by the Harris Poll in 1980, showed that 91% of those who went to Vietnam were "glad they served their country," 74% "enjoyed their time in the military" and 89% agreed with the statement that "our troops were asked to fight in a war which our political leaders in Washington would not let them win."

Kerry's own comments were filled with hyperbolic exaggerations that sought to make egregious acts seem commonplace. During a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in 1971, he testified that fellow veterans had routinely "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan." With those words, he defamed a generation of honorable men. No matter how he spins it today, at a minimum, he owes them a full and complete apology."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-02-18-veterans-edit_x.htm

So. Webb and Kaine. Want a link to Kaine parsing his words on marriage equality at a Third Way Breakfast in 2012? Can do if you wish.

not a chance.....hoping doesn't change reality beachbum bob Mar 2015 #1
"not a chance" is EXACTLY what I heard about Obama's chances in 2006. /nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #3
good point SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #22
But working will.... daleanime Mar 2015 #5
That's quite quite conservative--US problems haven't changed since the 1972? HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #6
That is exactly correct. eom JEB Mar 2015 #69
Kewl... 99Forever Mar 2015 #9
I think Jeb and Romney would give any Democrat a difficult run for the money LynneSin Mar 2015 #27
Then you need to get Warren or O'Malley to declare they are running. leftofcool Mar 2015 #2
It would be politically astute for either of them the wait until AFTER Hillary formally announces. RiverLover Mar 2015 #4
Good point..... daleanime Mar 2015 #19
Give Warren proper funding and she will kick anybody's ass. bemildred Mar 2015 #7
+1,000 Scuba Mar 2015 #14
And would draw more people to the polls.... daleanime Mar 2015 #20
That's the thing. There are a lot of voters our there with nothing to be FOR. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #21
Exactly, we need some one people will be excited to vote for.... daleanime Mar 2015 #38
Yes she would. zeemike Mar 2015 #24
The third way does care about winning. Our problem is that even if the Republican candidate wins A Simple Game Mar 2015 #36
Right, control of the party is what matters, the source from which blessings flow. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #39
You notice something funny about your post? It works just as well without A Simple Game Mar 2015 #41
I try not to be too confrontational, hence the comma. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #42
No nothing confrontational at all. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #74
I do try. bemildred Mar 2015 #75
I certainly didn't mean my comment as criticism A Simple Game Mar 2015 #82
Yes, I know, not offended. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #83
Sadly, you're correct. The comma merely sublimates the common knowledge. A little. villager Mar 2015 #56
Yes Liberalynn Mar 2015 #26
The problem is no one "gives" candidates geek tragedy Mar 2015 #44
Sounds corrupt, doesn't it? bemildred Mar 2015 #45
Yes, but that's the world we live in. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #47
Perhaps we could think up some better alternative. bemildred Mar 2015 #55
I can think of a great many things that geek tragedy Mar 2015 #57
I think we can make it happen. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #58
A huge paradigm shift is needed in this country deutsey Mar 2015 #8
I would see Hillary steering the country back to Clinton era tax and economic ALBliberal Mar 2015 #23
Bill Clinton Was the last president to raise the taxes on the highest earners./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #66
Bill Clinton presided over a vibrant economy. This will bode well for Hillary's campaign ALBliberal Mar 2015 #79
I remember a post here a few years back - "No way Rand Paul can beat a Democrat candidate" DrDan Mar 2015 #10
In Kentucky? Someone said that? wow RiverLover Mar 2015 #12
yes - that was the Kentucky Senate election DrDan Mar 2015 #67
Anyone who suggests Kaine and Webb to me no longer has my ear. Both are to my right. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #11
I think he's only trying to stress that Hillary isn't our only option RiverLover Mar 2015 #13
It's a primary. Anyone who does not know Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #15
Recent News articles saying Hillary has NO competition in the primaries~ RiverLover Mar 2015 #16
And so you offer up those guys? To what end? What makes a challenger credible is support coupled Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #25
I didn't write this! And the guy who did ISN'T "offering" up anyone other than Warren & O'Malley. RiverLover Mar 2015 #32
I don't get it either...Kaine and Webb are well to Hillary's right.../NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #18
No kidding. The OP could not even be bothered to address the quotes from them. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #40
Webb was a good vehicle to get a Democrat who could beat George Allen but he's very conservative... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #43
The ruling class will never "allow" a " True peoples president".. ProudProg2u Mar 2015 #17
Would the ruling class be a majority? If so why do we want to change the rules where the Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #31
The "ruling class" are the 1 % or... ProudProg2u Mar 2015 #35
In 2014 there was only 36% of eligible voters who voted. There isn't any way 1% can Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #46
Have you ever asked them why the don't vote? zeemike Mar 2015 #50
In 2014 I am aware of only one Bush who was running and he did win. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #53
Well I don't buy the "I did not get my pony" argument. zeemike Mar 2015 #61
There was quiet a bit of difference in the time FDR became president and when Obama did. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #62
After a while people get tired of excuses. zeemike Mar 2015 #63
Yes, we get tired of excuses, this goes both ways. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #64
Well that is where we disagree. zeemike Mar 2015 #65
Since 64% is a majority sure it would make a difference. Some may feel it is a waste if time but Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #71
Well the point is that they don't want to see either of the two choices offered in office. zeemike Mar 2015 #72
OK, then we can just look past the non voters, they dont care who is elected. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #73
People will vote, if they really see a reason for it. sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #80
It sure does, women had to fight for the right to vote, blacks had to fight for the right to vote. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #81
Why Warren and O'Malley are no Barack Obama wyldwolf Mar 2015 #28
here's a magazine cover O'Malley is on wyldwolf Mar 2015 #29
It is oblivious you left out Hillary's name and we have found in poll after poll Hillary can Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #30
We need more than a candidate that just can "beat the Republicans"... cascadiance Mar 2015 #33
Part of the thread title included beat the Republicans so leaving out Hillary's name Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #52
She was also polling a lot better than anyone else against Republicans in 2008 too at this time... cascadiance Mar 2015 #60
I will play DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #68
I actually agree. They CAN beat any Republican but.. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #34
Integrity. Octafish Mar 2015 #37
If you are saying there should not be any connection with corporations then you will not have Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #49
That's one of the reasons I'm a Democrat. The Party once stood for the Little Guy. Octafish Mar 2015 #54
I understand what you are saying, right now campaign reform is not in the cards. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #59
I'd settle for a bright, young Liberal in Training...i.e. VP. Julian Castro libdem4life Mar 2015 #48
O'Malley is giving all indications that he is considering running. Elizabeth Warren has not still_one Mar 2015 #51
Martin O’Malley sounds like he’s running Fla Dem Mar 2015 #70
no question about it still_one Mar 2015 #84
Of course they can win. ijust think Hillary has a better chance. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #76
Could Be HassleCat Mar 2015 #77
If this happens, both Democrats and the average American will win big in 2016. Vincardog Mar 2015 #78
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