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Revanchist

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28. BDSM can be tricky

Sat Mar 21, 2015, 01:37 AM

Mar 2015

You need to make sure both parties know exactly what is going on and have a mutually agreed upon safe word to stop all activities. It seems as if Mohammad had no idea how to engage in BDSM and I would have no heartache if the prosecutor decides to pursue the case in some form or another because from the information provided he is culpable of sexual assault at the very least.

In a true BDSM relationship it is the submissive who has the power to stop interaction at anytime due to the safe word, without this it cannot be consensual because he had both the power and control, and that just becomes violence and abuse.

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Judge throws out case against UIC student charged with '50 Shades of Grey' assault [View all] one_voice Mar 2015 OP

That film is going to have destructive effects for a long time Wella Mar 2015 #1

What if the movie had nothing to do with this case? Wellingtom Mar 2015 #2

Because a victim isn't acting out a movie, the perp very well can. Esp since that IS what the movie uppityperson Mar 2015 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #31

I'm not sure what you mean. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #4

he wasn't "cleared" Nevernose Mar 2015 #5

NBC: "A judge on Thursday cleared a University of Illinois Chicago student of a rape" Wellingtom Mar 2015 #33

"Prosecutors have not decided whether they might still seek an indictment against Hossain" uppityperson Mar 2015 #6

Probably a poor choice of wording on my part. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #7

Or found what they consider enough probably cause to be worth spending the money to uppityperson Mar 2015 #8

Well, generally in our system, unless a person is convicted of something... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #9

Words fail me. You do know it isn't necessary for a court to rule someone guilty to have them uppityperson Mar 2015 #10

"I think we may be arguing different things here." NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #11

A person is not considered legally guilty until they get convicted, but they can be plenty guilty in uppityperson Mar 2015 #12

if they're not convicted, you (random person) don't know that they're guilty and shouldn't claim ND-Dem Mar 2015 #14

Nope. Me, random person, can have an opinion based on the information available and not uppityperson Mar 2015 #15

your opinion is based on bupkis ND-Dem Mar 2015 #16

I saw a person steal something, they are guilty of theft. Are you guilty of anything? uppityperson Mar 2015 #17

Exactly. The idea that one can only form an opinion about anything if they're sitting on a jury kcr Mar 2015 #20

did you see anything in this case? were you involved? no, you read something on the internet, bfd ND-Dem Mar 2015 #22

Speaking of reading comprehension, let's look at this subthread. Aha! Strawman shows up. uppityperson Mar 2015 #23

your opinion about this case, which isn't based on anything listed above, is based on bupkis & ND-Dem Mar 2015 #26

And there is your fallacy. My opinion is about whether or not it is possible to be guilty without uppityperson Mar 2015 #27

"You read something on the internet" snooper2 Mar 2015 #105

Just turn it around. Ask them if they ever boston bean Mar 2015 #68

I read something on the internet; you are to blame for kidnapping the Lindbergh baby. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #77

Are you saying instructions for judges should be made less strict? Wellingtom Mar 2015 #29

Where did I "argued that strict judge instructions allowed a rapist to win a case"? uppityperson Mar 2015 #30

You, random person on the internet, don't get to tell other people what to do kcr Mar 2015 #18

random people on the internet have poor reading skills ND-Dem Mar 2015 #21

Way. uppityperson Mar 2015 #24

Not really kcr Mar 2015 #43

Then STOP saying Bush answer Cheney are guilty of war crimes!!!!! msanthrope Mar 2015 #34

No, it doesn't work like that Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #38

Yes.....that is how it works. I get to say Bush is a war criminal, Assange is a rapist, msanthrope Mar 2015 #39

Rape is an actual criminal act as much as what Bush did gollygee Mar 2015 #40

Nonsense Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #41

Those are still only allegations gollygee Mar 2015 #42

bush & cheney are public figures and former government officials. the person under discussion ND-Dem Mar 2015 #44

No...these are court cases in the news. I get to comment. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #48

and if you say this private citizen is guilty though he wasn't found to be guilty in court, I get to ND-Dem Mar 2015 #50

You really don't like it when I call out rapists, do you? First Assange, now this. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #51

really? we use to have a particular poster that had real issue with that, too. hm. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #53

It should ring a Bell. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #63

a problem with smear tactics? i'd think all *real* democrats would have a problem with them. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #64

or rape apologists. i guess it depends what you take/ignore from the article. seabeyond Mar 2015 #65

I don't have an opinion about the article, because I don't know anything about it but the ND-Dem Mar 2015 #67

What? Seriously? Show us one "rape apologist" in this thread. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #69

"Innocent people should not be imprisoned" = "rape apology" lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #79

Judicial process is such a pain in the butt, amiright? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #66

Manny, you don't seem to like it when I call out rapists, either, given msanthrope Mar 2015 #70

He's confessed? nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #71

There's no dispute as to the fact that he continued after she said no. msanthrope Mar 2015 #73

He said he did that? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #74

He gave a police interview, Manny..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #75

it truly amazes me how men will go out of their way to ignore, dismiss, or excuse rape. BUT... seabeyond Mar 2015 #76

You know sea.....take a look at what this guy had to say. See what Assange had to say. msanthrope Mar 2015 #88

you are right on. the words are out there. THEIR words are out there. they are literally stating seabeyond Mar 2015 #90

Nobody is ignoring, dismissing, or excusing anything. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #96

yes, they are and you are a part of it. always a participant. seabeyond Mar 2015 #97

Let me try this again. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #98

I thought that you'd changed the subject to Assange MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #92

The judge made a decision. She's incorrect. And why would you msanthrope Mar 2015 #100

From his own one_voice Mar 2015 #91

"Something wrong" is different than "violating the law" MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #93

Well lets see... one_voice Mar 2015 #94

+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #85

Like George Zimmermann and Darren Wilson? nt kelly1mm Mar 2015 #101

that both killed someone was never in doubt and was accepted as fact in court. in fact there were ND-Dem Mar 2015 #102

Darren Wilson never went to trial and George Zimmernann was found not guilty. It is not a crime kelly1mm Mar 2015 #103

I have no problem with anyone calling zimmerman a killer, since that's what he is and ND-Dem Mar 2015 #107

Should I check to see if you corrected anyone/everyone here when they called Zimmermann kelly1mm Mar 2015 #108

Has a judge ever thrown the allegations against Bush & Co out of court? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #78

and the mens group cometh, to tell us how beating a girl, and raping a girl, is excused cause seabeyond Mar 2015 #80

Am I interrupting an inquisition? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #81

how can you read what msanthrope just posted, and address it in this manner? how... seabeyond Mar 2015 #82

The judge threw the case out of court. Unlike us, she had access to all the evidence available. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #83

ya... the girl is unimportant. that is how you can do this. gotcha. i couldnt do that for anything seabeyond Mar 2015 #84

"She had access the to all the evidence available." Buzzer on the play..... msanthrope Mar 2015 #99

And we do? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #104

No. ....but we have enough evidence of probable cause. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #106

He was cleared by a judge who threw out the case, according to the opening statements of the article LisaL Mar 2015 #25

That film is so tame it's ridiculous Blue_Adept Mar 2015 #72

I'm struggling with the concept of "probable cause" in a rape case. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #13

At the hearing, the judge has decide if there is enough evidence a crime was committed. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #19

The probable cause hearing is a more likely than not hearing. former9thward Mar 2015 #62

BDSM can be tricky Revanchist Mar 2015 #28

That's what it sounds like. LisaL Mar 2015 #32

Unless they removed the law from the books Revanchist Mar 2015 #36

But BDSM does not alwsys equate to sex brooklynite Mar 2015 #37

According to the testimony, there was sex. LisaL Mar 2015 #46

But if they were "role playing" that becomes more complicated. LisaL Mar 2015 #45

But she withdrew consent when she said no. Revanchist Mar 2015 #47

+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #49

Tell it to the judge. The case was thrown out. LisaL Mar 2015 #56

Regardless of this ruling, I hope the prosecutors decide to move forward on charges. Revanchist Mar 2015 #57

Lets say they do. Even if he is indicted, he could request the trial by a judge instead of a jury. LisaL Mar 2015 #59

I think it would depend on what the indictment is Revanchist Mar 2015 #61

Some doctor he'll be...yuk... marions ghost Mar 2015 #35

It basically mercuryblues Mar 2015 #52

yup. nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #54

"he tied her hands with a rubber band" Scootaloo Mar 2015 #58

I predict Mr. Hossain will be sitting before a judge again long before he takes his Medical boards alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #55

When I first replied in this thread... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #60

Rape's a hard fucking crime to prosecute. TDale313 Mar 2015 #86

I don't disagree with anything you wrote... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #95

"No, stop" LWolf Mar 2015 #87

Never heard of a code word? sendero Mar 2015 #89