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morningfog

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60. You still have it wrong:

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 05:10 PM

Mar 2015

"[T]he State Department disclosed on Friday that until last month it had no way of routinely preserving senior officials’ emails. Instead, the department relied on individual employees to decide if certain emails should be considered public records, and if so, to move them onto a special record-keeping sever, or print them out and manually file them for preservation.

This patchwork system, reflecting a broader confusion and slowness throughout the government as federal agencies struggle to catch up with the digital age, raises the possibility that some emails from Mrs. Clinton to other State Department officials may have been lost altogether.

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In February, the State Department began using a system that automatically keeps the emails of the department’s highest ranking officials — like the deputy secretary of state, and under and assistant secretaries. Secretary of State John Kerry’s emails have been automatically retained since around the time he took office in 2013."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/us/some-emails-sent-by-clinton-could-be-lost.html?_r=0

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Most Official Emails Were Not Auto-Archived Until February (2015), Says State Department Official [View all] morningfog Mar 2015 OP

So almost none of the emails she sent to state.gov addresses madville Mar 2015 #1

and most people aren't, it is assumed that their system personal are handling such things still_one Mar 2015 #4

What kills me is that they 'lacked the ability' all this time. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #54

I suspect it just isn't the state department either. still_one Mar 2015 #59

It's not just the State Department. According to the NYTimes article, pnwmom Mar 2015 #68

She spoke with great certainty on this point, though. morningfog Mar 2015 #5

Why do you say she couldn't have known? Everybody here has been assuming pnwmom Mar 2015 #69

Well, she couldn't have known because it isn't true. morningfog Mar 2015 #71

"I doubt she knew they weren't being saved, delrem Mar 2015 #12

I'm no fan of HRC, but I'd actually agree with that part. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #55

It blows a hole in the idea that she was the exception instead of the rule. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #15

No. KMOD Mar 2015 #18

The .gov emails were not saved. Not until last month. morningfog Mar 2015 #21

Yes, they were. KMOD Mar 2015 #23

Read the article. Dot gov emails were not retained automatically until last month. morningfog Mar 2015 #30

No. .gov of "senior officials" were not retained automatically until last month. KMOD Mar 2015 #34

You have it ass backwards. They started with automatically retaining the Secretary's when Kerry morningfog Mar 2015 #38

No. Everyone Hillary Clinton, etc. received, or sent an email to KMOD Mar 2015 #41

You still have it wrong: morningfog Mar 2015 #60

No, once again, John Kerry is the first Sec of State to use a .gov account. KMOD Mar 2015 #63

You are not reading accurately, or you are just not reading. morningfog Mar 2015 #66

What is confusing you? KMOD Mar 2015 #72

Just keep digging! 99Forever Mar 2015 #73

What? KMOD Mar 2015 #75

If I gotta tell ya.... 99Forever Mar 2015 #79

You are not making any sense, at least to me, at all. KMOD Mar 2015 #80

Sir... 99Forever Mar 2015 #81

First, I'm a woman. KMOD Mar 2015 #82

Woman, man, or something else. 99Forever Mar 2015 #83

lol KMOD Mar 2015 #84

But you can't make them comprehend or think. 99Forever Mar 2015 #85

Exactly. KMOD Mar 2015 #86

The only thing confusing me is your willful ignorance. I don't get it. morningfog Mar 2015 #74

Oh my goodness, KMOD Mar 2015 #76

Got it. Everyone is wrong except Hillary. morningfog Mar 2015 #77

What? KMOD Mar 2015 #78

Oh lookie here, you can all put your money where you mouths are. KMOD Mar 2015 #87

Iverglas? Is that you? Telcontar Mar 2015 #88

When will I be loved? KMOD Mar 2015 #89

what about the FOIA, wasn't that there all along for extracting records? namastea42 Mar 2015 #44

The key word up above was 'automatically'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #56

You need to catch up on yesterday's news madville Mar 2015 #53

It also blows a hole in the theory that it would have been better if she had used pnwmom Mar 2015 #67

Doesn't the department's technical ineptitude reflect badly on her leadership? LeftyMom Mar 2015 #2

Just a preview of what can be expected Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #10

Kerry has been the head of the State Department for over two years now. pnwmom Mar 2015 #16

Apparently they're finally making some rather slow progress. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #27

You have to parse Hillary's words carefully. She said she did not SEND any classified information. morningfog Mar 2015 #33

It really doesn't matter. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #42

Now that it's become an issue. pnwmom Mar 2015 #36

Because in the current culture of security every blessed thing is restricted information. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #47

all Federal agencies have been lacking with regards to recent technology. KMOD Mar 2015 #19

State is widely regarded to be bringing up the rear. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #29

Clinton followed all State protocol. Above and beyond. KMOD Mar 2015 #37

That's demonstrably untrue. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #45

Bullshit KMOD Mar 2015 #46

The NYTimes says HHS still doesn't archive and that numerous other agencies pnwmom Mar 2015 #70

I'm beginning to think we need to start GoFundMe pages, or Kickstarter accounts Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #57

lol at the GoFundMe pages KMOD Mar 2015 #64

I'm not even a security guy Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #65

Why are we still talking about this? scscholar Mar 2015 #3

If it had no legs, it would have no legs. This is long from over. morningfog Mar 2015 #8

It has no legs, no arms, no body, no nothing. KMOD Mar 2015 #20

So by having her own email Clinton did good? joshcryer Mar 2015 #6

Lol. So she says. morningfog Mar 2015 #7

I believe her. joshcryer Mar 2015 #9

Our system of government does not work on trust. It works on transparncy, accountablility morningfog Mar 2015 #11

Just what do you imagine she sent via email? KMOD Mar 2015 #22

I doubt she sent anything scandalous or neferious, but we will never know. morningfog Mar 2015 #26

This is so incredibly silly. KMOD Mar 2015 #32

Heh. That's a lie we tell ourselves. joshcryer Mar 2015 #51

Hey, I believe all politicians, Rep, Dem, US or other, but what does that get me? delrem Mar 2015 #13

Well, none would have been kept if she used state.gov, right? stevenleser Mar 2015 #31

That has never been my issue. morningfog Mar 2015 #35

Another point. The .gov emails are still in the State server, even if not automatically retained. morningfog Mar 2015 #40

Odd that they would auto-archive Kerry's emails the day he started, but there was no thought TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #14

Why didn't they start archiving ALL the emails of the whole department pnwmom Mar 2015 #17

It's extremely inconsistent and strange. Hillary operated under entirely different TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #24

They updated protocol. Big freakin' whoop. KMOD Mar 2015 #28

They updated protocol the day Kerry was sworn in? It suddenly on that day became TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #39

The policy was finally updated to modern times. KMOD Mar 2015 #43

If it's a written record of her daily business, though not necessarily classified or juicy stuff, TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #49

All that stuff was archived. KMOD Mar 2015 #52

They finally "gave a sh*t" because they updated recommendations due to advances KMOD Mar 2015 #25

"Archiving" in email lingo, is different from "backing up" newthinking Mar 2015 #48

I don't think that's the same as 'archiving' in Federal records lingo though. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #58

Maybe the NSA has all these e-mails. Has anyone asked whether the NSA JDPriestly Mar 2015 #50

Or how about the CIA? They were caught red handed spying on senators. Rex Mar 2015 #61

it's kind of sad... sendero Mar 2015 #62