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120. If you believe there are substantive differences and not stylistic or rhetorical...

Tue Mar 10, 2015, 09:28 PM

Mar 2015

If you believe there are substantive differences and not stylistic or rhetorical differences between Ms. Clinton, Ms. Warren. and Mr. Obama there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

Third Way is Just an epithet to throw at someone a person doesn't care for like fat, dumb, slow et cetera.

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Vote for whomever you want [View all] BainsBane Mar 2015 OP

It's not a single politician, it's an ideology that needs to be rejected. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #1

Exactly. bigwillq Mar 2015 #3

Only it's not BainsBane Mar 2015 #12

Many of us who oppose HRC in the primary dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #16

I submit that as long as you continue to focus on individual politicians BainsBane Mar 2015 #40

You are preaching to the choir dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #49

Then we agree on the more important issue BainsBane Mar 2015 #57

Gee I never thought of that dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #63

Sadly it is BainsBane Mar 2015 #65

Whatever dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #68

A lot of that is being on at least a national discussion and the other races are local. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #171

Excellent, especially this: dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #239

If Obama and Hillary wont give me all that I want, I will support their opponent and get nothing NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #202

And the system won't change Bettie Mar 2015 #165

We could work together BainsBane Mar 2015 #175

I'd like to see that Bettie Mar 2015 #178

I don't know BainsBane Mar 2015 #181

We can agree on that Bettie Mar 2015 #184

Excellent post, NO, the system will NOT change in our lifetimes, and it will CERTAINLY not NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #204

And that 25% chance is actually the reason a Democrat, even a corporate one Bettie Mar 2015 #216

Terrible disappointment. Gay rights, SC justice nominees, ACA, getting us out of republican wars still_one Mar 2015 #230

Neoliberalism is the ideology I'm referring to. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #31

Sigh BainsBane Mar 2015 #37

She certainly is a neoliberal. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #59

Sorry, I did a transposition in my head BainsBane Mar 2015 #75

Disagree. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #156

There are a lot of things I'd like to see BainsBane Mar 2015 #160

This is spot on! I'm not a gung ho Hillary fan because I don't care octoberlib Mar 2015 #48

The answer to your question is yes. She has been a driver of such policy not a hostage TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #205

+1,000,000. n/t winter is coming Mar 2015 #13

Considering she cited no policy BainsBane Mar 2015 #44

yes I cited policy AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #158

This. hifiguy Mar 2015 #20

+10000! Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #67

Republican Ideology? treestar Mar 2015 #168

The same people probably voted for Nader over Gore FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #2

You know BainsBane Mar 2015 #4

+1 for learning a lesson FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #7

Then you deserve all the shit you get here and more. RiffRandell Mar 2015 #135

or they may have been one of the 100,000+ registered Dems in FL that consciously voted for Bush.. frylock Mar 2015 #6

It's much easier to blame somebody else donch'a know. Rex Mar 2015 #42

Buit they are proud to vote their heart ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #17

What's that giant whooshing sound overhead? freshwest Mar 2015 #61

Pointing out weakness and strengths is the primary campaign HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #5

I think it's necessary to expose Hillary and her right wing policies Oilwellian Mar 2015 #8

I don't watch Fox News BainsBane Mar 2015 #19

And we will expose the lack of nuance in those objections and hypocrisy where appropriate. stevenleser Mar 2015 #33

thank you barbtries Mar 2015 #9

In terms of economic policy, you won't be able to slide hifiguy Mar 2015 #22

that nose analogy? what is this, 2002? right before the IWR passed the Senate on Dem votes? MisterP Mar 2015 #121

Tragically... Scootaloo Mar 2015 #10

I feel quite confident if we did an accounting of threads on Clinton BainsBane Mar 2015 #21

I'm sure you have such confidence Scootaloo Mar 2015 #35

You barely survived a hide JonLP24 Mar 2015 #46

I have a handful of alert-stalkers Scootaloo Mar 2015 #55

Yes, the right to vote for whomever you like is a freedom we have. Having said this elections also Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #11

OK, but being 100% certain that I have never voted for a Republican in my 30+ years of voting... bluesbassman Mar 2015 #14

Here the bandwagon is decidedly anti-Clinton BainsBane Mar 2015 #23

You know for such a bright person, your reading skills are limited. bluesbassman Mar 2015 #34

You may not BainsBane Mar 2015 #81

I disagree that defeating Clinton will have no effect on . . . R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #79

But tell me BainsBane Mar 2015 #83

I agree that the problem is systemic. But pease tell me . . . R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #94

How is electing Sanders or Warren even possible? BainsBane Mar 2015 #122

I know that neither Warren or Sanders will get . . . R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #129

My wish list is a constitutional amendment to require public financing BainsBane Mar 2015 #132

I didn't mean to call you a third wayer. The only point I'm R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #137

Why would you say I don't want her to be more progressive? BainsBane Mar 2015 #144

Okay. I'll restate the question. Why don't you acknowledge R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #146

Certainly she has flaws BainsBane Mar 2015 #149

You are right. Some people hate her for no other reason R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #150

That's kind of you BainsBane Mar 2015 #151

If you don't believe a moderate like Warren can be elected then no way you believe TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #206

I've had it with your petty insults BainsBane Mar 2015 #209

That was simply extraordinary Number23 Mar 2015 #219

Your standards = pitiful. You just high fived a tantrum taking credit for TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #241

Look, I know it pisses you off that people have the right to say "well said" to a post that they Number23 Mar 2015 #244

I'm not angry, that would be you. I just don't buy anyone could think passing TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #240

Well said! zappaman Mar 2015 #245

This message was self-deleted by its author R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #111

I almost didn't click on this - LiberalElite Mar 2015 #15

Well, that's more than the anti-Clinton side allows BainsBane Mar 2015 #27

Buried in your post was LiberalElite Mar 2015 #30

Now THAT is an ironic post. Maedhros Mar 2015 #41

I don't believe you'll find me insulting anyone over their choice for Dem nominee BainsBane Mar 2015 #50

I have many people who hurl personal attacks on ignore, so maybe I'm not seeing some of it. Maedhros Mar 2015 #70

The sweet smell of Irony.... Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #69

Something truly sick is going on at DU. No other candidates are being extolled,only Hillary-trashing Hekate Mar 2015 #18

Exactly BainsBane Mar 2015 #25

Careful. I had a post hidden for saying something along those same lines. Number23 Mar 2015 #32

That inconsistency about the war vote BainsBane Mar 2015 #53

She has evolved all the way to a slight walk back after years of stubborn defense TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #103

Please explain what you mean by this BainsBane Mar 2015 #105

I mean that her statements and patterns since the vote give no reason to think TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #164

Respectfully, Kerry's vote was more inexplicable than Clinton's. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #141

I said it was a bigger break from his perceived norm, both cite the same absurd rationale. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #161

I saw that also Andy823 Mar 2015 #88

One and the same Number23 Mar 2015 #97

There's going to be Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #186

Just because you say it isn't about issues and policies . . . R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #108

Pretty soon we'll hear about her cankles and how she murdered Vince Foster Hekate Mar 2015 #117

Lame. Why don't you defend her Third Way policies? nt R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #123

More fucking crickets! Call an exterminator! nt R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #114

'scuse me? wtf are you on about? Hekate Mar 2015 #119

Didn't see what I thought was a timely reply. I see that you R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #126

Maybe check your auto-trash. You must have Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders in there HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #125

The only topic I have on auto-trash is child-murders, and it's not working Hekate Mar 2015 #131

Then you're not really getting a true sample of what's on DU HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #134

I'm not being selective. I really hope for a robust primary. But all the noise here... Hekate Mar 2015 #139

3 is better than 1, 2 would be better than 1. This is hardly ideal HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #145

been going on that way for a while. I saw posts blaming Hillary for not speaking up quickly enough still_one Mar 2015 #238

I liked what I saw of Hillary today. John Poet Mar 2015 #24

We have a vocal minority who genuinely prefer 4-8 years of legitimate whining LadyHawkAZ Mar 2015 #26

The GOP doesn't give a fig about DU LittleBlue Mar 2015 #28

You're probably right BainsBane Mar 2015 #29

IMHO Internet forums are places to vent frustrastion LittleBlue Mar 2015 #39

Interesting point about the sports forums BainsBane Mar 2015 #87

If it really makes you sick Caretha Mar 2015 #85

Could you show where 'it's clear that a number of people on this site ..... prefer to see sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #36

Oh come now. There are links too numerous to mention that include faithful DUers who say just that Hekate Mar 2015 #43

Then it should be easy to link to some of them. So, what do YOU think about our 'proxy wars' sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #58

I see you didn't get a reply. R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #118

Do your own research, dear. Hekate Mar 2015 #140

Pssst. I was talking about you. R. P. McMurphy Mar 2015 #143

Yes, I would like to keep the discussion on the ISSUES. But apparently that is not sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #174

So when you insist BainsBane Mar 2015 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Mar 2015 #190

The fact that Clinton is the only candidate her detractors focus on BainsBane Mar 2015 #45

Links please, to my 'going on for years' about CLINTON. If you meant 'policies' that's entirely sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #66

This constant demanding of links is really tiresome. BainsBane Mar 2015 #185

I will. Rex Mar 2015 #38

You're in Texas BainsBane Mar 2015 #47

So does that mean you are not going to vote? Rex Mar 2015 #52

Where did she suggest, imply, or state that? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #56

"I voted in Texas, and my presidential vote meant squat. The electors go to the GOP" Rex Mar 2015 #60

I'm not in Texas anymore BainsBane Mar 2015 #92

Good. IMO a person has no right to gripe about politics if they don't vote. Rex Mar 2015 #96

Also Bush dramatically influenced my view of electoral politics BainsBane Mar 2015 #98

I hear that, anyone that is not scared to death of Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz Rex Mar 2015 #99

With all the self appointed philosopher kings and queens on this site... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #51

But this begs the question of why nominate someone with so much baggage. It's as if rhett o rick Mar 2015 #54

Why don't you work to put someone up? BainsBane Mar 2015 #64

It's not the work of the GOP LWolf Mar 2015 #62

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #71

Where did you get that? BainsBane Mar 2015 #72

political compass.org DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #74

Res ipsa loquitur (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #76

The problem with that chart Mnpaul Mar 2015 #100

I agree, it put Obama a tick away from Mitt in the 2012 election. Rex Mar 2015 #104

That is not the chart I'm referring to Mnpaul Mar 2015 #112

The entire political debate is in the same space so no sense in discussing any of it, right? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #89

Interesting numbers, check this out. The 2012 election according to that website. Rex Mar 2015 #93

Did you read what it said below that chart? Mnpaul Mar 2015 #110

Well if their chart is off by that much then yes I can to an extent. Rex Mar 2015 #115

What do you base your assertion on? Mnpaul Mar 2015 #124

Obamacare is one of the differences imo. Also his hiring of more minorities than any prior WH Rex Mar 2015 #133

Mandatory corporate healthcare Mnpaul Mar 2015 #136

BTW, I am curious where you would put Obama, Clinton, and Warren on a ideological plane or circle. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #142

I would say the chart in #71 is pretty accurate Mnpaul Mar 2015 #147

I took both tests...The latter test said I was a tad bit closer to Clinton than Sanders DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #148

That was the point of my response. If the grouping means it is an irrelevant debate of minor details TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #169

No, but if a person doesn't like Candidate X even though he or shares the same ideological space... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #107

Again, almost the entire political debate is in the same area and an area few of us share TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #167

The research indicates that the candidates do cluster together with the national Democrats... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #170

The differences are all marginal, why are you focusing on marginal differences only a moment later TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #173

I don't see anyone on DU "doing the work for the GOP". delrem Mar 2015 #73

Only they place all responsibility for it onto Clinton BainsBane Mar 2015 #80

I don't agree. Progressives do indeed see a systemic problem! nt delrem Mar 2015 #82

The fact that Ms. Clinton, Mr. Obama, and Ms. Warren all fall in roughly the same place... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #84

Ms. Warren isn't third-way. delrem Mar 2015 #91

An examination of the issues that tries to accurately capture what it attempts to measure ... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #102

Ms. Warren isn't third-way. nt delrem Mar 2015 #113

If you believe there are substantive differences and not stylistic or rhetorical... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #120

Your denial of a basic fact demonstrates one of the points that I made in my post. delrem Mar 2015 #128

You replied directly to me and I replied directly to you. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #138

Regarding American military adventures, Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #191

Your eye sight is excellent Caretha Mar 2015 #90

I don't care for Hillary, but fully agree... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #77

We agree on something. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #78

Twice in a year BainsBane Mar 2015 #86

Here's how I voted for Prez, from bad ol' TX: blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #95

My first vote was for Bill Clinton and I was proud to do it a second time! Rex Mar 2015 #101

You were proud to vote for Bill Clinton twice BainsBane Mar 2015 #188

You must be talking to someone else, I've said a million times I will vote for her Rex Mar 2015 #193

Excuse me BainsBane Mar 2015 #197

SIGH. I will vote for whomever wins the primaries. Rex Mar 2015 #199

This OP is rude? BainsBane Mar 2015 #220

OKAY DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #127

From Blue CT bigwillq Mar 2015 #172

I'm voting for the next Supreme Court picker. calimary Mar 2015 #106

You're going to be in for a long primary. morningfog Mar 2015 #109

complaining about Dems passing GOP policies = helping GOP MisterP Mar 2015 #116

What policies did Clinton pass BainsBane Mar 2015 #130

The IWR? Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #153

She voted for it BainsBane Mar 2015 #154

I don't see her as the Devil incarnate. I'll definitely vote for her if she's the nominee. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #157

The inevitability argument is bullshit BainsBane Mar 2015 #189

" We get it." - who is "We"? Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #152

We all will. This is how we do things. herding cats Mar 2015 #155

Who are you and what have you done with BainsBane? Fumesucker Mar 2015 #159

It's becoming increasingly difficult to vote while holding nose and carrying barf bag. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #162

You're in Texas BainsBane Mar 2015 #163

Inevitable Hillary will defeat herself, as she did against Barack Obama in 2008. closeupready Mar 2015 #166

"A dream is a wish the heart makes." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #176

... closeupready Mar 2015 #177

... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #179

... closeupready Mar 2015 #180

Thank you. Never underestimate the power of the truth./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #182

You're not the first person to predict a loss BainsBane Mar 2015 #187

Past performance is a good predictor of future performance. She lost. Predicting another loss closeupready Mar 2015 #195

She lost the nomination. The Democrats won the presidency. BainsBane Mar 2015 #198

Oh, okay - so you're gonna spin her loss as, in reality, a win! LOL closeupready Mar 2015 #203

You've lost track of the argument BainsBane Mar 2015 #233

Okay, I'm done, but I'd love to see Elizabeth Warren, or Sanders, closeupready Mar 2015 #243

PPpffffffttt! Rex Mar 2015 #237

It can be a point of vulnerability, I know. closeupready Mar 2015 #242

Thank you. I intend to. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #183

Thanks for permission to do exactly what I will do anyway. 99Forever Mar 2015 #194

If you're not going to read a few sentences of an OP BainsBane Mar 2015 #196

Bull. 99Forever Mar 2015 #207

It says what it says BainsBane Mar 2015 #218

Bull. 99Forever Mar 2015 #221

Okay, how's this BainsBane Mar 2015 #222

No bait for me thanks. 99Forever Mar 2015 #223

I was just trying to make you feel better BainsBane Mar 2015 #224

No you weren't. 99Forever Mar 2015 #225

I'm playing with you, obviously BainsBane Mar 2015 #226

No you don't. 99Forever Mar 2015 #227

Oh, dear BainsBane Mar 2015 #228

You aren't sweet at all. 99Forever Mar 2015 #229

Tsk Tsk BainsBane Mar 2015 #231

Yes you are. 99Forever Mar 2015 #232

Okay, recess is over BainsBane Mar 2015 #234

Couldn't go without a personal insult, could you? 99Forever Mar 2015 #235

IKR!? Rex Mar 2015 #200

This is a pattern... 99Forever Mar 2015 #208

It is pathetic to watch, but predictable from a select few here. Rex Mar 2015 #236

What was this? BainsBane Mar 2015 #217

A. why is this the first I am seeing this thread and B. how is it not hidden yet? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #201

In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place. Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #210

How does that address my OP? BainsBane Mar 2015 #211

Gandhi was Republican? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #212

Then you see nothing BainsBane Mar 2015 #213

Oh, well.... Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #214

Yeah, still nothing about the what you stand for BainsBane Mar 2015 #215