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Mc Mike

(9,172 posts)
59. You're right about the uselessness of 'apologies' when the offense is repeated again, flagrantly.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 10:06 AM
Mar 2015

Or even covertly.

I back Rep. Conyers in his work against repug election theft, and his work on behalf of his non-NOI constituents, and his Congressional Black Caucus work.

I think that pols like John C. and Jesse Jackson are within the range of the money and force arms of the NOI. For a very long time, the schism between Chicago and NY crime had Detroit on NY's side, the same as in Pgh., where I live. But Detroit is perilously close to Chi., and Farrakhan's money and connections are big. If you look at where the NOI comes from, how it was formed, where it gets its money and influence, you're looking at far-right bircher money and far-right intel.

If presented with any organized effort to lobby Rep. Conyers to never associate with the anti-Gay, anti-Semitic, anti-Woman, pro-Black Nationalist Farrakhan, I will be on board 100%. You're right about Conyer's attendance of the 2 '14 speech, but I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater regarding Rep. Conyers on this. In fact, I believe that the far-right who hates LGBTs also hates Conyers, and purposely forced him into this position to further schisms between groups of people they hate.

I see a bit of a parallel between Conyer's association with Farrakhan, and Moscone and Milk's association with Jim Jones. I believe the far right would have attempted to kill Harvey Milk, anyway, but the proximate cause of the Milk and Moscone assassinations was the murder of Rep. Ryan when he was investigating Jonestown. It is very much alluded to in Fierstein's documentary, Shilt's book, and Bay Area LGBT activists efforts at the time.

Jones already had a crazy and murderous record from his "People's Temple's" time in Ukiah, CA. He moved to S.F., with his big money and large personnel resources, and was a political force to be reckoned with when the Moscone Milk group took SF mayor and Supervisors. Aides to Milk were troubled by the behavior of the Jones personnel, and Milk cautioned them that the group was crazy and dangerous. Moscone put Jones in charge of the Housing Authority, but I believe he was forced to do so, not because the Jones people passed out flyers for the coalition, but because Jones had big money right wing backers who had to be contended with, by the Mayor and City Supervisors.

There is no doubt that Milk and Moscone were opposed to the insane moves by Jones, in Jonestown and S.F. The far-righties behind Jones felt that Moscone and Milk were going to blow the whistle, when Jonestown came crashing down, which explains their being murdered much better than twinkies can. There have been ridiculous efforts to tar Moscone and Milk with 'association with Jones', but the fact that they were assassinated puts the lie to this far-right effort to engender a schism between groups that the far-right hates.

Antecdotally, in my city, there was an isolated, high-crime housing project called Westgate Village. Back in '90 -'91, the 'Security' for this project was provided by the NOI. They decided that they didn't like an illegal card game being run in one of the units, and some of the Fruit of Islam attacked the place in force. They got their asses handed to them in unarmed combat, by the residents, and other members came back to fire-bomb the unit. Unfortunately, they didn't know the area, were out-of-towners like the rest of the Fruit of Islam security force, so they hit the wrong unit, and burned a single-mother and her family out of their home (no deaths). I just mention it because it was a high profile display of Housing Authority corruption, municipal fraud, increased influence of Chicago organized crime in Pittsburgh, and sweetheart contracts given to the Nation of Islam. The firebombing wasn't part of the policy of the Dems who run our area, it was purely a Farrakhan initiative, though the NOI got the contract for security through Dems. And Pittsburgh's own Black Moslem leaders were already on the record years before, in calling Farrakhan 'the biggest fool on the face of the Earth'. The Black residents of Westgate Village, and the non-aligned Black Moslems in Pittsburgh, didn't like Farrakhan, and don't back him on anything, including his anti-LGBT 'theories'. He speaks for the far-right, not Blacks, Moslems, or Democrats.

Farrakhan is from the right, of the right. People within his org's armreach have to deal with him. Conyers is wrong, but not bad.

Farrakhan Blames Jews For 9/11 [View all] Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 OP
Is he still alive? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #1
Exactly What I Thought, Hassin ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #54
Does this mean Aerows Mar 2015 #2
In U.C.L.A. Debate Over Jewish Student, Echoes on Campus of Old Biases Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #7
I think we have segued here Aerows Mar 2015 #8
3 Sought in 1982 Attack in Paris’ Jewish Quarter Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #9
Absolutely as horrible Aerows Mar 2015 #11
Yom Hashoah observance April 19 at LFJCC Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #13
Not to complain Aerows Mar 2015 #15
Sorry for your loss. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #16
It was very abrupt Aerows Mar 2015 #17
Some people are never going leftynyc Mar 2015 #39
Some things never change...as Farrakhan demonstrates, which is, of course, the topic at hand. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #44
Fuck that leftynyc Mar 2015 #46
Perhaps there should be a panel here... PCIntern Mar 2015 #61
whoa. just read that. disturbing shit. and the "apology" offered after these little bigots cali Mar 2015 #18
Yeah, that was pretty stark. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #20
Are you intending to respond to the right post? LeftishBrit Mar 2015 #64
In other news.... zappaman Mar 2015 #3
LOL! Yup. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #4
It's rather looking Aerows Mar 2015 #6
huh? I'm perplexed by all three of your posts in this thread. they are tangential. cali Mar 2015 #10
It's time for me to go to bed Aerows Mar 2015 #12
Have a sweet sleep. cali Mar 2015 #14
What are you babbling about? leftynyc Mar 2015 #42
Being an idiot. Aerows Mar 2015 #66
Is anyone surprised by this? Ken Burch Mar 2015 #5
Well that's insane treestar Mar 2015 #19
He has always sounded like this. cali Mar 2015 #22
So true... Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #24
Oh, I do. and I think a thread about what defines homophobia would cali Mar 2015 #25
You think the article about Farrakhan's homophobia would spawn a thread... Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #27
I think a thread regarding what constitutes or defines homophobia would cali Mar 2015 #31
In that, I agree. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #32
Rather silly to single out a single group responsible for 9/11 anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #21
Yes, U.S. policy is a piece of it, but the ultimate responsibility for any cali Mar 2015 #23
OK how about the CIA funding, Arming and egging on radicals in the Middle East anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #33
and still, acts of mayhem and murder may well have contributing factors but cali Mar 2015 #45
People like dogs are not born violent, bigoted or hateful it take years of anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #48
actually, some people are damn well born violent. some psychopaths certainly are cali Mar 2015 #60
The Russians would share at least as much blame. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #51
And his message of hate seems to be finding an audience Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #26
Apparently, even mentioning his anti-Semitism means you support Netanyahu. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #29
I just edited my post #26 with selected Jury Results Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #34
You can post them if you like. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #37
Thanks Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #40
Worse than that. My Wiki example was about the Armenian genocide of 1915 Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #38
Farrakhan lining up with the birchers, again. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #28
The "Jews did 9-11" meme isn't even relegated to the right. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #30
I'm not sure, BtA. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #35
I know some think that, but that is more of a "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #36
Yes, I see what you're saying. And agree with your logical analysis. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #41
I agree with you as well. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #43
I'm a white R Cath, urban. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #47
If his connections are all to the far right, why is it that Democrats like John Conyers repeatedly Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #56
You're right about the uselessness of 'apologies' when the offense is repeated again, flagrantly. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #59
Here's what makes Conyers so very dishonest. He made an excuse for the first hateful speech saying Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #63
I don't think we're talking in circles, but maybe talking past each other, Blue. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #67
If you're alluding to Jean-Marie LePen Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #50
he is such an ass Marrah_G Mar 2015 #49
Is he still going on and on with that bullshit? Jamastiene Mar 2015 #52
Farrakhan is such an embarassment. romanic Mar 2015 #53
I initially misread this and was going to blow a gasket mythology Mar 2015 #55
A vile, rightwing bigot who unfortunately geek tragedy Mar 2015 #57
Asshole. ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #58
No more Final Call or bean pies for me BubbaFett Mar 2015 #62
Farrakhan is a right old antisemite; this isn't the first (or last) time he's said this LeftishBrit Mar 2015 #65
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