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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:54 PM

5. The US, primary cause of ISIS? **facepalm**

 

The radical Islam ideology has been invented by two persons who never lived in regimes influenced by the US:
Wahhab: cut a power sharing deal with the Saoud dynasty
Qutb: worked during the reign of anti-western leader Nasser

(1) ISIS is a hardware running with the wahhab/qutb software. (no US causality)

Another example: for internal politics reasons, general Zia ul Aq gave free rein/stoked the wahhab/Qutb ideology in Pakistan. Pakistan is emphatically not a US puppet.
That was for the ideological side.

Now, for the political side, the main driver is the Sunni/Shia divide. True, GW's catastrophic invasion of Iraq helped create insurgent groups, but

(2) the Sunni/Shia divide is a major driver of ISIS (no US causality)

The young adults from around the world who came to fight with ISIS in Syria did so to help the Sunni majority horribly repressed by Alaouite-Shia Assad.
The populations of Western Iraq who support ISIS do so because the government troops have turned into Shia militias under Maliki.
A stunning recent proof of that: Tikrit has been liberated from ISIS just days ago. Its population is running away for fear of reprisals from the government tropps, because the Tikrit population largely let ISIS slaughter the Shia soldiers during their occupation of the town.
ISIS has in its program to wage war on infidels, which include the Shia (and they did kill quite a lot)

In short:
- did GW fuck up? Yes.
- were US policy mistakes the major cause of ISIS? No.

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