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alp227

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54. Which means COLIN POWELL used a personal email as SoS too.

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:00 AM

Mar 2015

I know right wingers have distanced themselves from Powell because Powell endorsed Obama and is a "RINO" for other reasons. But still.

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"Secretary Kerry is the first Secretary of State to rely primarily on a state.gov email account." [View all] geek tragedy Mar 2015 OP

A DUer who works at State Department wrote this important piece: elleng Mar 2015 #1

That post is laughable. merrily Mar 2015 #31

That post is probably correct, not laughable. kwassa Mar 2015 #35

You're saying Hillary is so uneducable that she could not even be taught to use one email as opposed merrily Mar 2015 #37

I'm actually sorry I responded to your post. This entire issue is TRIVIAL beyond words. kwassa Mar 2015 #39

Yet, you responded again, so I doubt you're that sorry. As to trrivial, please see my Reply 19. merrily Mar 2015 #40

I still think this entire email thing is a non-issue, of little importance. kwassa Mar 2015 #43

Yet another reply? My, my. For the second time, Reply 19 spoke to the "importance" of the issue, merrily Mar 2015 #48

In the real world, 50 and 60 year olds rely on 20 year olds to set them up with technology. pnwmom Mar 2015 #55

Come on, pwnmom. That is patently untrue. And ageist. And laughable. merrily Mar 2015 #56

You've missed the key point. She didn't just switch email accounts. She had a private server set up in her home, which pnwmom Mar 2015 #58

No, YOU've missed the point. Having ample ability to comply with federal law Hillary chose instead merrily Mar 2015 #61

She didn't fail to archive. There was no time limit in any law or regulation in effect when she was pnwmom Mar 2015 #63

The lawyer at the National Archives who was Director of Litigation says she broke the law. merrily Mar 2015 #75

Where does he say she broke the law? All you did was post a bio. That isn't very useful. pnwmom Mar 2015 #78

No links per my request? Also, what allowed Hillary to retain control over her govt papers until 2 merrily Mar 2015 #79

This article cites both Attorney Baron and his successor at the Archives. merrily Mar 2015 #81

Yeah, it cites him for being an idiot. pnwmom Mar 2015 #83

That is a ludicrous claim Read his resume. merrily Mar 2015 #94

Please see post 84. pnwmom Mar 2015 #99

Also false. I didn't ignore his testimony. merrily Mar 2015 #101

Where did you respond to David Ferriero's sworn testimony as Archivist? n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #103

This is about the third time you've asked me to show you where I posted something directly TO YOU. merrily Mar 2015 #113

The Archivist is the head of the agency. Your guy was an underling. pnwmom Mar 2015 #114

How the heck am I supposed to know what law or regulation YOU THINK she broke? You're the one pnwmom Mar 2015 #80

I did not ask you to know the law. I cited the specific law. & You're lthe one who made the claim. merrily Mar 2015 #82

No one has shown that she violated any archiving requirement while she was in office. pnwmom Mar 2015 #84

You made the claim that the law was changed after she left office. I asked for links. merrily Mar 2015 #85

Here is the timeline: pnwmom Mar 2015 #86

Not so. See Reply 19. Besides, that still does not speak to archiving or retaining personal control merrily Mar 2015 #89

Your reply 19 does nothing to contradict the sworn testimony of the national Archivist in 2013. pnwmom Mar 2015 #91

Duh. It contradicts your post. merrily Mar 2015 #106

How does it disprove the head Archivist's sworn testimony? nt pnwmom Mar 2015 #107

Sorry, that does not speak to archiving at all. Please see Reply 19, which says the important merrily Mar 2015 #88

She preserved the emails and forwarded them upon request. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #92

He says there was no law against using personal emails. pnwmom Mar 2015 #115

Where did you cite the specific law? pnwmom Mar 2015 #87

I ask you specifically for a link to the Federal Records Act of 1950, as amended through the merrily Mar 2015 #90

You're the one claiming she broke it the records act. You provide the statute. Logically, one can't pnwmom Mar 2015 #93

BS. I didn't ask you to prove a negative. And you are so wrong about inability to prove a negative. merrily Mar 2015 #96

I'm so wrong about "inability to prove a negative"? Guess you never took a basic logic class. pnwmom Mar 2015 #98

More bs and more moving goalposts. Post 96 refuted your post 98 before you wrote it. merrily Mar 2015 #100

You are asking me to read your mind and figure out what law Hillary might have broken pnwmom Mar 2015 #102

you've repeated that falsehood over and over and I've refuted it over and over. merrily Mar 2015 #104

The law as it currently exists is completely irrelevant pnwmom Mar 2015 #105

No kidding. that is exactly why I asked you to support YOUR claim that the law as it existed when merrily Mar 2015 #108

That lawyer is a GOP operative... Sancho Mar 2015 #120

Maybe. But he still knows the Federal Records Act. What evidence do you have? merrily Mar 2015 #121

NPR had a report on this morning... Sancho Mar 2015 #126

NPR said, IF her emails were archived? That's what you're offering as proof her emails were merrily Mar 2015 #128

He was interviewed on CSPAN a few days ago... Sancho Mar 2015 #133

Every Republican is not a Republican operative. That's exactly why I bolded "operative" in my post. merrily Mar 2015 #135

Here's Baron's CV...I looked at it... Sancho Mar 2015 #138

Please see Reply 19. merrily Mar 2015 #139

Anyone who has a modem or WAP has a private server in there home, this i disenginuous uponit7771 Mar 2015 #130

Conflicting reports -AP reports the server registered by Admin named, "Eric Hoteman." However, leveymg Mar 2015 #140

Oh Boy! leftofcool Mar 2015 #76

Did you have any specific and relevant point to make? merrily Mar 2015 #77

What evidence do you have to say this? Sancho Mar 2015 #117

If you read the thread, you will see exactly what I am saying and why. merrily Mar 2015 #118

Unfortunately..legal experts don't seem to agree with you entirely. Sancho Mar 2015 #119

Yes, this email thing is a bogus flap, just like Benghazi. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #2

DHS funding, war with Iran, SCOTUS gutting the ACA. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #3

The rw smear job worked.. again. Cha Mar 2015 #5

No shit. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #7

don't forget that HSBC donated to the Clinton foundation, and that was pretty big scandal to some still_one Mar 2015 #109

Not just like Benghazi at all. No one died. She seems to have all the records. She can fix this merrily Mar 2015 #38

So, now that she has, are you happy? stevenleser Mar 2015 #59

crickets still_one Mar 2015 #110

Ding ding ding!!! 2naSalit Mar 2015 #69

Benghazi! Damn, I thought we laid you to rest.. State Secrets! It's okay for Snowden et al but Cha Mar 2015 #4

But Kerry was not not the first Secretary to have responsibilities with respect to federal records. merrily Mar 2015 #6

All of her emails with other state dept employees geek tragedy Mar 2015 #10

Not really the point. merrily Mar 2015 #19

Great summation. Thank you. leveymg Mar 2015 #27

Thank you. As a general rule, I am very bad at remembering who posted what and I did not merrily Mar 2015 #32

That's ok. I borrowed from you, too. leveymg Mar 2015 #33

Borrow away! I am delighted. The more truth that gets spread, the better. merrily Mar 2015 #36

Perfect post, clear and concise. Thank you Autumn Mar 2015 #41

Thank you. merrily Mar 2015 #49

The fact is, unless there's a way to know what is in the private email account (like checking TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #8

Emails sent to anyone else in the state dept geek tragedy Mar 2015 #9

What happens when they all communicate via private email accounts? TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #11

For example, what email account did her spokesman use for this exchange with TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #12

There are only about 100 reporters etc who were emailing Reines geek tragedy Mar 2015 #15

Since he was operating in his official capacity as personal spokesman, TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #17

Given the attention this story is receiving, we'll find out soon enough. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #18

If they want to keep something off-record they do it by phone. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #13

That's why it seems so unnecessary to have to set up an entire separate email account TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #14

My guess is that she has one and only one email geek tragedy Mar 2015 #16

Again, any private account used to conduct business that is meant to be archived TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #20

This is what I mean about using oxygen on bs. merrily Mar 2015 #21

I'm sure she emailed her minions at State. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #23

And what basis do you have to "highly doubt" that she never dashed off an email to Obama? merrily Mar 2015 #24

Have you ever heard of an email from a cabinet member geek tragedy Mar 2015 #25

Not the issue: Have you ever heard from a reliable source that Hillary never sent one? merrily Mar 2015 #26

Why would any DUer be in the position former9thward Mar 2015 #29

Thank you. That was one of the more bizarre questions I've been asked in my entire life. merrily Mar 2015 #30

It is email to nonofficial recipients which remains the leveymg Mar 2015 #28

That and that this is another instance in which Clintons seem to feel obeying the law is optional-- merrily Mar 2015 #52

Email to non-official recipients is private. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #122

What I meant to say was non-US officials or official business with private parties. leveymg Mar 2015 #129

of course. There is always someone who receives the emails. Wait, what if she wrote the email only still_one Mar 2015 #112

Kerry is a good guy. Renew Deal Mar 2015 #22

Good for him for releasing a half truth intended to make it seem Hillary did not violate the law? merrily Mar 2015 #34

Kerry is overseas and has been since this broke - he has put out no statement at all karynnj Mar 2015 #45

I would think this statement was cleared with him, esp. given Hillary's impending coronation and merrily Mar 2015 #50

This issue is manufactured by the Jeb Bush machine Generic Brad Mar 2015 #42

Yes, she absolutely did break a law, but see Reply 19. I agree that this was likely merrily Mar 2015 #51

Even conservative media is acknowledging today that no law was broken. You're now harder on a stevenleser Mar 2015 #60

The law requires archiving. Her documents were not archived. What the law says merrily Mar 2015 #62

The lawyers at all conservative print and television media have told them no law was broken. stevenleser Mar 2015 #64

Anyonne can misinterpret the law. And, with all due respect, anyone can misinterpret what a lawyer merrily Mar 2015 #65

That's what you're going with? Conservative media has stopped accusing a Democrat of something. stevenleser Mar 2015 #66

Obviouslsy, you didn't read anything I asked you to read. Please stop wasting my time. merrily Mar 2015 #67

None of what you wrote had any bearing on this. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #68

Totally false. Besides if you didn't read it, how would you know what it bore on? merrily Mar 2015 #70

You're still making excuses. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #71

No, I'm making sense and citing law and the guy who administered that law. You're citing Fox. merrily Mar 2015 #72

You're more vituperative against Hillary than conservative media at this point. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #73

Still not reading. No surprise. Also, ,please consult a dictionary and/or thesaurus. merrily Mar 2015 #74

You realize that bios of lawyers posted by their law firms are totally self-serving onenote Mar 2015 #123

Sure I do. Every resume but a fool's is self serving, but law firm bios usually are not falsified merrily Mar 2015 #124

I don't know what law firms you've worked for onenote Mar 2015 #125

What law firms any DUer has worked for is pretty irrelevant. And, to quote Shania Twain, it don't merrily Mar 2015 #127

PS from your source: merrily Mar 2015 #131

And he says "use" not "failure to archive" onenote Mar 2015 #132

No, we've established only that you misread your own source. merrily Mar 2015 #134

so what did he mean when he said she didn't violate the law onenote Mar 2015 #136

I said no more questions to me, dude, until you answer the ones I've asked you repeatedly. merrily Mar 2015 #137

So, Philippe Reines Sent Us an Email octoberlib Mar 2015 #44

That's an interesting exchange Autumn Mar 2015 #46

Reines is a trip. octoberlib Mar 2015 #47

I liked how he tried to make something of the fact that reporters use private email addresses to merrily Mar 2015 #53

I agree. It's not the reporters fault. octoberlib Mar 2015 #116

Which means COLIN POWELL used a personal email as SoS too. alp227 Mar 2015 #54

And? Did Powell archive? Is he about to run for President? merrily Mar 2015 #57

The point is your Jason Baron of the illustrious credentials is CLUELESS. pnwmom Mar 2015 #95

No. That was not alp's point and I responded to your non-point about Jason Baron upthread. merrily Mar 2015 #97

Not totally clueless about electronic archiving but leftofcool Mar 2015 #111