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GMOs are as good as vaccines. [View all] DamnYankeeInHouston Mar 2015 OP
Well then GMO producers should proudly claim their GMO heritage on their labels! Scuba Mar 2015 #1
Why? Orrex Mar 2015 #10
It's a marketing gimmick. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #21
Exactly. Orrex Mar 2015 #34
I suppose many prioritize an alleged irrational fear over that of accuracy. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #65
You are free to suppose that. If you have relevant information, please share it. Orrex Mar 2015 #68
The question you answered is "why not?" Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #221
If such labeling were justified, they'd have no grounds to object Orrex Mar 2015 #222
I don't assume that they resist for any reason other than their profits. Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #223
But that's not inherently wrong Orrex Mar 2015 #226
Right, a desire for profit is not wrong Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #227
Used in that way, it's the famous "shill gambit" Orrex Mar 2015 #228
Well, I've never called you a shill Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #229
I wasn't saying that you called me that--only that many others have done so Orrex Mar 2015 #230
Ah, so you are supportive of anti-science stances. HuckleB Mar 2016 #246
Why don't organic food companies label foods as being derived from mutation breeding? HuckleB Mar 2015 #76
hahahahaha nt laundry_queen Mar 2015 #151
Yup, that's right. Big Organic won't label its seed development technologies. HuckleB Mar 2015 #152
OOOH Big organic! Those huge multinational big organic companies controlling the food industry laundry_queen Mar 2015 #154
Isn't it funny when silly anti-GMO rhetoric gets turned the other way around? HuckleB Mar 2015 #155
LOL you still don't get it do you? laundry_queen Mar 2015 #158
Wow! HuckleB Mar 2015 #160
It's been fun laundry_queen Mar 2015 #161
You seem to be forgetting that the only actual power difference is the science of the matter. HuckleB Mar 2015 #162
I don't need to post content (I'm sure that'll get a comment) laundry_queen Mar 2015 #165
More blind rhetoric, with no support. HuckleB Mar 2015 #166
I love stating that you want control over what you eat OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #219
Nice propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2015 #225
Do you even know what propaganda is? OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #233
Lying about GMOs is propaganda HuckleB Mar 2015 #240
Excuse me, who are you implying is lying about GMOs? OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #245
Revenue from organic food sales totaled $35.1 billion in 2013. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #204
LOL, pot meet kettle. 'Profit driven' LMFAO. nt laundry_queen Mar 2015 #213
Right, because the organic industry doesn't stand to profit from GMO labeling. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #214
That sound you hear laundry_queen Mar 2015 #216
If they could rely on consumers behaving rationally, that would indeed follow. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #108
I think the problem with GMOs is that they are a readily understandable piece el_bryanto Mar 2015 #2
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #27
Should emotion based phil89 Mar 2015 #58
I guess it depends on the pardigm you see the world through upaloopa Mar 2015 #61
Please clarify Orrex Mar 2015 #69
The world is more complicated than you think upaloopa Mar 2015 #74
That's not a clarification--it's a platitude. Orrex Mar 2015 #79
Not to be taken seriously? el_bryanto Mar 2015 #109
I dont think the technology itself is inherently bad. In fact, I suspect it could have some Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #195
I like Bill Nye a lot. But on this, I think he isn't thinking clearly. nt silvershadow Mar 2015 #3
He said updated a chapter in his book after visiting labs at Monsanto. DamnYankeeInHouston Mar 2015 #4
Citation, please. Orrex Mar 2015 #42
I have no problem with GMO's existing in our food supply Bettie Mar 2015 #5
Since there is no safety issue, what is the compelling reason to require GMO labels? Orrex Mar 2015 #11
So, you have complete trust in Monsanto? Bettie Mar 2015 #13
Gmo =/= Monsanto Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #14
Monsanto is a leader in this technology Bettie Mar 2015 #19
Citation, please Orrex Mar 2015 #22
They are one of seven big companies Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #23
Ah the research papers. Do you know of an epidemiological study that says GMOs are safe? immoderate Mar 2015 #32
You didn't answer my question. Orrex Mar 2015 #20
There's no safety issue with most nutrients on the labels but those are required to be there. nt laundry_queen Mar 2015 #153
You are wrong like 1000000 times. OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #190
I'd refute your argument, but you haven't offered an argument. Just a string of nonsense. Orrex Mar 2015 #197
You undo your own argument. OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #198
Word salad. TLDR Orrex Mar 2015 #203
You have not ignored any of my posts, vapid or otherwise. OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #217
There is no safety issue with Vitamin C either OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #189
Is vitamin C listed because of safety concerns? Of course not. Orrex Mar 2015 #196
And would GMOs have to be listed because of safety concerns? OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #199
You wrote: Orrex Mar 2015 #202
How is it superfluous when it was your own argument? OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #218
No compelling reason has been put forth. None. Orrex Mar 2015 #224
I have made many arguments. Your failure to adequately rebut them OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #234
I am aware of what I wrote, though perhaps you are not Orrex Mar 2015 #235
Funny. I have misrepresented no argument of yours. OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #239
Anti-GMO hysterics in 3-2-1... Archae Mar 2015 #6
That is what the supporting movement deserves for their arrogant and stupid anti labeling agenda TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #7
Why label something that is safe? Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #15
we already label things that are safe. and many things that were once considered to be safe ND-Dem Mar 2015 #17
6000+ studies Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #33
we already label things that are safe; like nutrition content and drug ingredients. fiber content ND-Dem Mar 2015 #35
FUD is my problem. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #41
so nutrition and content labeling is also fud? okey dokey gmo labeling, which already exists in ND-Dem Mar 2015 #62
No, nutrition and content labelling is necessary. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #101
Because the people buying it want to know for one thing. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #30
Would you require abortion clinics to deliver irrelevant, frightening information to its patients? Orrex Mar 2015 #56
I'd require them to provide whatever factual information the patient requests on their procedure TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #129
I certainly wouldn't require doctors to provide medically irrelevant information Orrex Mar 2015 #131
Exactly. HuckleB Mar 2015 #132
So a woman asks a factual question on a procedure on her own body and you want TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #134
"Medically irrelevant" actually means something. HuckleB Mar 2015 #140
If the is factual and related to a procedure a patient is to have there is no such thing as TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #169
"Doctor, what is the anesthesiologist's religion?" Orrex Mar 2015 #171
The anesthesiologist's religion is not medical or related to the procedure TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #173
It is irrelevant. HuckleB Mar 2015 #174
You have data stating that physicians feel bogged down with bothersome questions from patients TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #182
In other words, you're missing the point. HuckleB Mar 2015 #172
Give me an example Orrex Mar 2015 #147
When did I make ANY claim to know more than a medical expert about their field? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #168
When you presumed to declare what doctors should tell their patients, obviously. Orrex Mar 2015 #170
They should tell them the truth and call it a day. Again, I claim no authority. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #178
In telling them what they should do, you are claiming authority. Orrex Mar 2015 #184
I saw a "label" for a banana. Archae Mar 2015 #59
The lawsuit to label bananas was lost on appeal. Orrex Mar 2015 #66
You do know that the foundation of a market is the exchange of product Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #81
+1000 nt laundry_queen Mar 2015 #159
I demand to know the pedigree of all the food I am about to eat!!! Revanchist Mar 2015 #112
Sounds good to me. Glad you are down. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #130
I would like to have the ability to avoid products grown in a way that hurts the environment Marrah_G Mar 2015 #175
yes, let's also not label OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #191
Straw man alert! Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #200
Read your own post #15 OrwellwasRight Mar 2015 #220
What Did Monsanto Show Bill Nye To Make Him Fall "In Love" With GMOs? Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #8
Thanks for this post. DamnYankeeInHouston Mar 2015 #24
So you thnk Bill is an idiot? HuckleB Mar 2015 #54
One picture speaks a thousand words. Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #137
Prove there is anything inaccurate in the National Geographic story. HuckleB Mar 2015 #138
+1 PoliticalPothead Mar 2015 #205
It isn't true that Bill Nye said that but if he had said it then he would have been calling GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #9
Here we go again (updated with links) Orrex Mar 2015 #12
+1 Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #29
I call you out SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #80
You "call me out"? What does that mean? Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #84
Your world seems to be very simple. SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #85
Religion sure as hell ain't no flashlight. Orrex Mar 2015 #89
QUOTE: Albert Einstein "Science without religion is blind" SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #92
When you're trying to scold someone, you should get your quotes right. Orrex Mar 2015 #97
good catch SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #98
"You would have never said 'You must consider science to be a religion.'" Orrex Mar 2015 #100
You left out, "beats wife." immoderate Mar 2015 #48
Perhaps that passes for humor among the anti-GMO crowd Orrex Mar 2015 #51
Really? What special knowledge have I claimed? immoderate Mar 2015 #91
For starters, you claim to know that 6000+ peer-reviewed studies are invalid Orrex Mar 2015 #99
+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Mar 2015 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author HuckleB Mar 2015 #73
One Could Just As Well Put Up a Neat Little Graphic Comparing Pro GMO to Pro HRT .. Upward Mar 2015 #118
Feel free to do so, in the interest of open discussion Orrex Mar 2015 #122
For One Thing, You're Cherry-Picking and Setting Up Strawmen Upward Mar 2015 #139
They're hardly strawmen Orrex Mar 2015 #146
They Are Totes Strawmen. And Outright Lies. Upward Mar 2015 #148
Anti-GMO types ignore questions all the time. Do you call them out as well? Orrex Mar 2015 #149
Needs a section in there .... "I'm just asking questions..." Oktober Mar 2015 #215
The big difference is.. Matrosov Mar 2015 #16
Please explain why that difference is significant. Orrex Mar 2015 #45
imo, there is anti-gmo and anti-gmo uppityperson Mar 2015 #18
Monachs and bees. DamnYankeeInHouston Mar 2015 #25
yup, they may not be bad for me, but we need to be good stewards of the larger uppityperson Mar 2015 #26
And? Orrex Mar 2015 #64
Golden rice is an interesting case. Critics originally pointed out that it didn't contain enough Chathamization Mar 2015 #183
Some human health issues have been linked to GMOs Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #188
Hell yes! Go Bill! Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #28
He loves Monsanto................. yuk Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #31
Really? He loves them? Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #36
he said he was in love and wanted to tell the world now. i wonder what his true love is ND-Dem Mar 2015 #39
Bill and Monsanto sitting in a tree Orrex Mar 2015 #40
You keep making that claim. Surely you can support it? Orrex Mar 2015 #37
post number 8 n/t Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #43
You claimed that Nye loves Monsanto. You have not supported this claim. Orrex Mar 2015 #47
The quote is right there for reasonable people GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #83
You're engaging in intellectual dishonesty Orrex Mar 2015 #87
I'll let the more reasonable posters decide which of us might be engaged in "intellectual dishonesty GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #111
A false or irrelevant citation is not a valid citation Orrex Mar 2015 #126
Vaccines are tested. immoderate Mar 2015 #38
... as are GMOs. Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #44
I am still searching for the epidemiological test of GMOs. immoderate Mar 2015 #46
You were directed to thousands of them. You ignored the list. jeff47 Mar 2015 #53
I looked through them. They were misrepresented. immoderate Mar 2015 #96
Exactly what do you think you're looking for? Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #57
A long term study that isolates a particular variable. immoderate Mar 2015 #86
How might that be accomplished? Orrex Mar 2015 #88
Who is it that is setting this impossible standard, the "hallmark of intellectual dishonesty?" immoderate Mar 2015 #105
You have summarily rejected 6,000 peer-reviewed studies, Orrex Mar 2015 #107
I didn't reject a single article. They all say what they say. immoderate Mar 2015 #115
You haven't taken a falsifiable stance Orrex Mar 2015 #124
So what? I need only falsify your stance to make my point. immoderate Mar 2015 #135
Of course, that's not the study you were calling for Orrex Mar 2015 #145
Because none of those studies declares GMOs safe. immoderate Mar 2015 #176
Three things: Orrex Mar 2015 #185
Don't you think you'd need to begin with an existing problem (health disorder)... Buzz Clik Mar 2015 #114
Why would that be required for an "epidemiological study?" immoderate Mar 2015 #121
The fact is, no one knows what the lerm term effects of GMO's on the human body Zorra Mar 2015 #49
If that's your argument, then it goes double or triple for mutation breeding. HuckleB Mar 2015 #52
I don't see the necessity for mutation breeding, either, but don't believe that Zorra Mar 2015 #102
So why aren't you advocating on that front? HuckleB Mar 2015 #106
I simply don't see the odds of mutation breeding being as Zorra Mar 2015 #117
Except that GMOs limit the variables dramatically. HuckleB Mar 2015 #119
Wait, what? X_Digger Mar 2015 #194
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"Hippie Ninnies"?! chervilant Mar 2015 #55
Nope. That wasn't a good idea. In_The_Wind Mar 2015 #63
... Cha Mar 2015 #143
There is a LOT more science behind vaccines KamaAina Mar 2015 #60
Pro GMO'ers, I wish you all a hearty Bon Appetit! Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #67
But slave labor capitalism is OK to talk on the Interwebs? n/t bobclark86 Mar 2015 #113
I have no idea what you are talking about. Flame bait, anyone? Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #136
No more than somebody using a computer made by people... bobclark86 Mar 2015 #167
The GMO-apologists want to piggy-back onto the popularity of vaccines. pnwmom Mar 2015 #70
Bingo. DamnYankeeInHouston Mar 2015 #82
Nope. HuckleB Mar 2015 #123
+1 Polls show 93 to 95% of Americans want GE/GMO foods labeled. GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #90
CItation, please. Orrex Mar 2015 #93
If that's actually true, what does it mean? HuckleB Mar 2015 #95
Persistent Anti-GMO Myths by Steven Novella HuckleB Mar 2015 #71
Yeah they are just as crazy anti-science anti-vaccers. n/t dilby Mar 2015 #75
"GMOs are highly regulated. They are the most tested food that we eat." HuckleB Mar 2015 #77
Insufficient research from independent source on long term human health on point Mar 2015 #78
Poll Shows Disparity Between Scientists And American Public On Scientific Issues (Including GMOs) HuckleB Mar 2015 #94
Okay, this will probably put my ignorance on full display; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #103
Shhh! Orrex Mar 2015 #104
Depends on whether you think your food should trigger an immune response... immoderate Mar 2015 #110
You mean like my cousin's allergy to peanuts? Orrex Mar 2015 #127
We shouldn't be creating foods that cause those things. immoderate Mar 2015 #179
Please demonstrate that we are doing so. Orrex Mar 2015 #181
I Don't Give a Shit What People Who Have to Market Themselves Say Upward Mar 2015 #116
Yeah, he probably would have changed his mind sooner. HuckleB Mar 2015 #120
Hybrids should list their DNA structure as well One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #125
Americans are in denial about genetically modified foods HuckleB Mar 2015 #128
It's not just GMO plants/seed, it's the entire chemical culture surrounding them. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #133
I agree. The GMO plants are devoloped to resist pesticides which are inarguably harmful to life. DamnYankeeInHouston Mar 2015 #142
And yet pesticide use is down with GMO crops. HuckleB Mar 2015 #144
Tell that to the last monarch butterfly. Faryn Balyncd Mar 2015 #232
You and Mr. PHD need to research the difference between a herbicide and a pesticide. Boo- Mar 2015 #150
Maybe more properly called biocides...I get that natural dirt isn't dead HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #180
Let's see the data to support your claims. HuckleB Mar 2015 #192
This is my concern with them also. Marrah_G Mar 2015 #177
How so? Boo- Mar 2015 #187
"If productivity (bu/ac) is the measure", we increased the productivity by deep plowing the Great... Faryn Balyncd Mar 2015 #237
" I'd Put Warning Labels On Mutagenic Plants Before GMOs" HuckleB Mar 2015 #141
Except they aren't, not really, for some pretty specific reasons. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #156
Citations needed for the claim in parentheses. HuckleB Mar 2015 #157
There is quite a lot of research on the role of pesticides in bee colony collapse. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #163
Which peer-reviewed article links glyphosate to issues with bees? HuckleB Mar 2015 #164
Here's a good study using realistic dosages, which is pretty damning: Faryn Balyncd Mar 2015 #209
That study has turned out to be an outlier. HuckleB Mar 2015 #211
I honestly just don't get all the fuss. Inkfreak Mar 2015 #186
It makes you wise. HuckleB Mar 2015 #193
Once again the Monsatan employees hijack the thread. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #201
Yup, if you can't win an argument due to lack of facts, Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #207
You are correct. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #208
For me it's an appetite issue Generic Other Mar 2015 #206
They, of course, aren't looking at environmental science. They also haven't proven their mmonk Mar 2015 #210
How Scare Tactics on GMO Foods Hurt Everybody HuckleB Mar 2015 #212
Scientists overwhelmingly think GMOs are safe to eat. The public doesn't. HuckleB Mar 2015 #231
Write that on the tombstone of the last monarch butterfly. Faryn Balyncd Mar 2015 #236
I would like to know Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #238
Do you realize that the supposed "GMO supporters" are only responding to anti-GMO BS? HuckleB Mar 2015 #241
Wow, you come back nine days later to insult me. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #242
I didn't insult you. HuckleB Mar 2015 #243
In my very best teenager voice, Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #244
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