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Hillary, DLC/Third Way, Neocons, PNAC, Etc. [View all] merrily Feb 2015 OP

I guess we can start calling stuff like this what is Gman Feb 2015 #1

Yeah, don't let all those direct quotes and links fool ya! Which fact do you claim is erroneous? merrily Feb 2015 #2

you have a couple of errors, omissions and subjective opinions in your OP wyldwolf Feb 2015 #20

of course she does. Phlem Feb 2015 #29

Thanks again, Phlem. merrily Feb 2015 #115

What are friends for. Phlem Feb 2015 #121

aw, ya called me friend. thanks. merrily Feb 2015 #201

Great. List them. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #32

He tried. Please see my Replies 28, 79, 84 and 93. merrily Feb 2015 #137

Next! Phlem Feb 2015 #123

You have a subjective view of errors and there is a heading in my OP in bold and underlined, merrily Feb 2015 #124

Let's repeat again. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #131

I am curious whether you think that name calling is a real response? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #11

Thanks. If the poster had a real response or refutation, he or she would probably have posted it? merrily Feb 2015 #14

I think trying to guess why people support HRC is an interesting topic. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #51

IMO, she's obviously been the anointee since 2012, if not earlier. I've never seen anything like it merrily Feb 2015 #117

they benefit from the status quo. nt antigop Feb 2015 #118

Yep. merrily Feb 2015 #125

what name calling? wyldwolf Feb 2015 #76

It's the only response most of them know. villager Feb 2015 #77

+1 merrily Feb 2015 #202

Go ahead and try to refute it then. HappyMe Feb 2015 #12

+1 joshcryer Feb 2015 #19

You calling merrily a right winger? n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #92

Nope. joshcryer Feb 2015 #101

Because you reponded to someone who referred to the OP as "Hillary truther" by saying cui bono Feb 2015 #107

The grand right wing conspiracy is powerful. joshcryer Feb 2015 #206

So you *are* calling her a right winger and using word salad to justify it. cui bono Feb 2015 #251

I don't know that. joshcryer Feb 2015 #260

Of course, you totally do know what you were implying. And you also know it's bs. merrily Feb 2015 #412

Hahaha, cluelessness. joshcryer Feb 2015 #415

And you have the gall to claim MY posts are substance free personal insults? Project much? merrily Feb 2015 #423

"FOX News Hillary Clinton" joshcryer Feb 2015 #426

Nail joshcryer on one thing and he'll change the subject. Again and again. Bet on it. merrily Feb 2015 #445

Anything to add? joshcryer Feb 2015 #460

Did you really just say: "Anything to add? Other than personality insults?" cui bono Feb 2015 #475

You're either calling her a right winger or saying she doesn't know anything. cui bono Feb 2015 #474

Thanks. merrily Feb 2015 #411

Yw. Thank you for all the info you provide. cui bono Feb 2015 #476

They have nothing but snarky comments. No substance. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #144

Which part are you disputing? Hillary is NOT a Third Way candidate? The Third Way doesn't exist? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #205

All these responses sound like the same things Gman Feb 2015 #215

Are you claiming that HRC isn't aligned with the DLC/Third Way? Or is name calling all rhett o rick Feb 2015 #228

The DLC has been gone for many years Gman Feb 2015 #235

You may be right that HRC will be the next president. The common folks will have a hard time rhett o rick Feb 2015 #238

That is so very naive to say that about her vote for the IWR Gman Feb 2015 #241

To claim that Hillary isn't a corporatist and supports American workers is what is "trutherism"... cascadiance Feb 2015 #248

You nailed that lyin corporatist again. We need to keep exposing Hillary. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #459

You've got nothing. Maedhros Feb 2015 #287

Got nothing? Gman Feb 2015 #290

Apparently, he or she does have a new talking point. So there's that. merrily Feb 2015 #318

"Naive"?? I would welcome your attempts to justify or rationalize HRC promotion of the IWar. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #462

Yes, naive Gman Feb 2015 #481

So your best rationalization for her selling out her party is that she just wanted to "get it over rhett o rick Feb 2015 #486

Clearly you don't care about facts Gman Feb 2015 #488

She has the backing of the Oligarchs so she will probably be the next President. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #489

Absolutely Gman Feb 2015 #496

And there it is. Those with principles are responsible for the hundreds of thousands of rhett o rick Feb 2015 #499

I am what we call a yellow dog Democrat Gman Feb 2015 #504

Can never forgive HILLIARY for her IWR vote - that's when she lost me. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #458

"It's her turn." wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #240

It is because we want it to be Gman Feb 2015 #244

we shall see. n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #245

Which "we" are we talking about, is the we you are identifying with the 1%? cascadiance Feb 2015 #252

Yeah, we know they are no longer using that name Mnpaul Feb 2015 #246

+1 Boom! And transitioning to Hillary's campaign advisors, even as we speak. merrily Feb 2015 #414

Most Americans aren't paying attention Mnpaul Feb 2015 #425

Most never heard of Third Way. I keep telling this story, so pardon me if you've read it before. merrily Feb 2015 #427

OMFG ROFLMFAO OMG Caretha Feb 2015 #258

I thought only the Republican Party did the "whose turn is it to be POTUS" nonsense. merrily Feb 2015 #416

It's her turn 2 line the pockets of the 1%, yes, includin her own. Bernie will Xspose Hillary 4 who she really is-can't wait! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #461

The OP covered both those points. You might try reading something before you post canards. Or not. merrily Feb 2015 #413

Smear Caretha Feb 2015 #255

Thank you so much. If he had substance, he probably would have posted it. merrily Feb 2015 #417

HAHAHA...Hillary Is As Bas As Jeb Bush billhicks76 Feb 2015 #300

Why would you refer to facts as "truther stuff"? Enthusiast Feb 2015 #319

All the links and direct quotes threw him off. That lot used to fact-free posting. merrily Feb 2015 #418

It's way bigger than any one Clinton. Orsino Feb 2015 #447

Why is any criticism of Hillary, regardless of how well and painstakingly linked, is viewed as hate? peacebird Jul 2015 #528

New Democrat Coalition is their own name for themselves. madfloridian Feb 2015 #3

Thank you. I agree with both you and wiki on that. merrily Feb 2015 #4

article by Thomas Frank antigop Feb 2015 #122

And remember that Hillary chaired the DLC before she last ran for president. DLC funding is from: hedda_foil Feb 2015 #352

Hey there hedda...good to see you around. madfloridian Feb 2015 #359

Even better to see you, madfloridian hedda_foil Feb 2015 #362

How many years... madfloridian Feb 2015 #364

Very long time, mf. I've been posting since 2001. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #366

2002 for me. madfloridian Feb 2015 #373

I'm afraid I never got into twitter. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #389

Who you calling mf? She's a great poster. Why, I oughtta.... merrily Feb 2015 #419

Excellent post! Kermitt Gribble Feb 2015 #5

Thank you and you are welcome. merrily Feb 2015 #6

Let's also not forget that the Koch Brothers also helped build up the DLC in its earlier days... cascadiance Feb 2015 #7

Yep. Right about the time they conceived of the Tea Party, too. (Do we know they stopped donating?) merrily Feb 2015 #9

The Koch Brothers had representatives... bvar22 Feb 2015 #167

Wow. I did not know that. I bookmarked. Thanks. Nice photo of Hills on "the DLC team" too. merrily Feb 2015 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #8

Thank you for the compliment and the rec. merrily Feb 2015 #10

President Jeb Bush has a nice ring to it, huh? JaneyVee Feb 2015 #13

The primary hasn't even begun yet, let alone the general. merrily Feb 2015 #15

And Hillary hasn't even announced, yet... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #16

Disgusting and low comment about an OP that is full of links, but I won't alert. merrily Feb 2015 #18

Full of links that you've intentionally misquoted wyldwolf Feb 2015 #21

Another low and disgusting comment. The quotes are copied and pasted. The links are there. merrily Feb 2015 #39

then you make assumptions about the links wyldwolf Feb 2015 #74

Again, if you have refutation of anything in the OP, I'd welcome it, especially if (a) it merrily Feb 2015 #79

I've already refuted several things. Pretending I didn't doesn't mean I didn't. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #80

LOL. No, you mentioned 3 things per the description in my reply 79 and were wrong on all 3 per my merrily Feb 2015 #84

Let's repeat again. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #129

Sure. See Reply 149 again. Even better, Reply 155. merrily Feb 2015 #153

Your spin wyldwolf Feb 2015 #161

Alert for what, pointing out the strange DU obsession with... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #23

People bash the President all the time. HappyMe Feb 2015 #33

You won't find me reccing those threads either. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #37

No, for your low down and utterly baseless comparison to a lynch mob. But, you knew that. merrily Feb 2015 #52

Disagreeing with Hillary Clinton and pointing out the reasons why are bashing? davidpdx Feb 2015 #313

The OP is about how HRC is in league with the 1%. Can you refute that? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #127

Hillary is probably a member of the 1%, merrily Feb 2015 #135

Yes Hillary's current wealth makes her a member of the 1%, which is remarkable since she was broke rhett o rick Feb 2015 #141

Nice to have a chance to interact with you. I don't think I've done that in a while. merrily Feb 2015 #208

How could HIllary be a 1%er? bvar22 Feb 2015 #207

As you know, "dead broke" to the 1% does not mean the same as "dead broke" to the merrily Feb 2015 #212

I think the Clintons held a benefit. Some brought casseroles, some second hand furniture, rhett o rick Feb 2015 #227

I bet you didn't even try to connect her with a food pantry, too. merrily Feb 2015 #420

She was already signed up for meals on jets. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #451

She doesn't fly commercial. merrily Feb 2015 #452

Why are people peeved about the facts? HappyMe Feb 2015 #22

I'm all for facts, but you're preaching to the choir. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #25

She's not the candidate yet. HappyMe Feb 2015 #27

I said viable candidate. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #31

Ah yes, the President Bush!!1 threat. HappyMe Feb 2015 #35

Now I'm "threatening"? Nope, just living in reality. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #40

I would like someone other than Hillary from our side. HappyMe Feb 2015 #44

Me too. Someone else. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #327

^^^Being correct on social issues is no longer good enough.^^^ hedda_foil Feb 2015 #354

what tripe. merrily Feb 2015 #46

Nope Caretha Feb 2015 #266

+1 davidpdx Feb 2015 #314

She's more than viable for the primary because the fix seems to have been in for years, best I can merrily Feb 2015 #421

I think she'll lose the general. merrily Feb 2015 #41

I'm all for a wide open primary... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #49

Too bad you think stating facts is smearing. It isn't. You comments about me, however, are smears. merrily Feb 2015 #54

Well put davidpdx Feb 2015 #315

ah, yes, the good ole "TeaLeft" talking point lie. merrily Feb 2015 #333

That TeaLeft howling HappyMe Feb 2015 #334

Yep, two of the board bullies davidpdx Feb 2015 #395

What facts? HRC supports don't state any facts. Here's a fact, HRC not only supported rhett o rick Feb 2015 #234

Lives needlessly lost. HappyMe Feb 2015 #332

Hillary's Turd Way leanings are well documented. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #95

Yes. Thank you. And founding member of the DLC = more than a Third Way leaning. merrily Feb 2015 #128

Yup yup. Hillary's Iraq vote doomed her in '08; will be her undoing in '16. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #178

There's no reason to believe that is impossible with Clinton as our candidate. jeff47 Feb 2015 #55

The thing is that nobody, absolutely nobody who votes alligns with the pit. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #360

How did Obama beat Hillary, huh? cui bono Feb 2015 #150

Oh please - not this again. 840high Feb 2015 #213

I found two 'errors' in your cut and paste analysis almost immediately wyldwolf Feb 2015 #17

This entire post is easily refuted. joshcryer Feb 2015 #24

Then refute it. merrily Feb 2015 #42

Not a chance in hell. joshcryer Feb 2015 #89

Lol, right. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #94

LOL! It would have been more credible if you stopped at the subject line. merrily Feb 2015 #106

That was pathetic. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #163

lmao!!! Yeah, so you used it to imply that merrily is a right winger in that vast conspiracy. cui bono Feb 2015 #311

Not going to get into circular 3 day long spats. joshcryer Feb 2015 #312

Interesting as well that apparently anyone not as progressive as Bernie Sanders is now a "rightist" brooklynite Feb 2015 #26

bs straw man merrily Feb 2015 #48

No, but the person that is to the right LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #70

+1 Marr Feb 2015 #165

No but those to the right of Sen Warren are clearly conservative. 30 years ago HRC would have rhett o rick Feb 2015 #230

The policies Bernie promotes are dead on centrist. He is right where the American people are. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #329

No. My link said Coalition for a Democratic Majority. merrily Feb 2015 #28

WyldWolf will always have an issue with anyone critical of Hillary. Phlem Feb 2015 #34

I know and I'm fine with his having issues. Not so fine with his attempts to smear me, though, but merrily Feb 2015 #58

Let me quote you AGAIN wyldwolf Feb 2015 #67

This is why I don't bother. joshcryer Feb 2015 #90

"a circular argument... refuting the dishonest false portrayals of things" Funny thing about history wyldwolf Feb 2015 #132

That circle would start with refutation which you have not accomplished, except that you proved merrily Feb 2015 #142

Let's repeat again wyldwolf Feb 2015 #145

Repetititon does not alter the fact that those points, though immaterial, have been responded to merrily Feb 2015 #149

They have been spun wyldwolf Feb 2015 #164

Absolutely not. But, prithee, to what end would I spin something that has nothing to do with merrily Feb 2015 #177

No, Josh. His refutations, though immaterial, have been refuted and you don't have any. merrily Feb 2015 #136

Let's repeat again. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #146

Sure. See Replies 149 and 155 again. merrily Feb 2015 #157

Your spin wyldwolf Feb 2015 #158

Do you not realize that posting the same thing over and over again ... ieoeja Feb 2015 #353

Do you not realize wyldwolf Feb 2015 #377

Seems thuggish, bullying and intentionally disruptive, doesn't it? Especially when Cryer joins in. merrily Feb 2015 #424

Yes. I was somewhat shocked at his response to me. I was not expecting a total dick. ieoeja Feb 2015 #472

You seemed to have missed the point too One of the 99 Feb 2015 #477

Ah, you are quibbling wholly immaterially over "model" vs. "embodiment" and claiming a deception. merrily Feb 2015 #93

Just a heads up. Lordquinton Feb 2015 #105

Thank you! But no alert or objection from this alerter on a poster merrily Feb 2015 #109

Oh my! HappyMe Feb 2015 #110

Words matter. facts matter. Historical accuracy matters. Errors by omission matter wyldwolf Feb 2015 #147

Do words and facts really matter to you? Because I told you that I would change "predecessor" merrily Feb 2015 #155

The fact it was there at all shows shoddy research wyldwolf Feb 2015 #159

No. The only source either you or I needed on that one was the wiki I cited. merrily Feb 2015 #166

You had a preconceived notion wyldwolf Feb 2015 #172

And you pulled that right out of your ear. Untrue and stinks of earwax to boot. merrily Feb 2015 #175

The McGovern "disaster" could not possibly have been due to active support of Nixon by eridani Feb 2015 #59

irrelevant wyldwolf Feb 2015 #72

lol! Look who's talking about "irrelevant." merrily Feb 2015 #170

Another irrelevant reply from you wyldwolf Feb 2015 #174

LOL. merrily Feb 2015 #176

Lol wyldwolf Feb 2015 #180

They'll reply for DAYS. joshcryer Feb 2015 #263

Fortunately I have a few days off. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #265

Pretending only one person continues to reply, Josh? Typical. merrily Feb 2015 #326

Is this one of those times? joshcryer Feb 2015 #328

Yep, this is one of those times, but not before I thank you for proving my point. merrily Feb 2015 #331

Guess not! joshcryer Feb 2015 #340

Yep. Also Eagleton combined with a short run (RFK assassination), early opposition from Ted merrily Feb 2015 #139

hillary is Obama 2 for the most part. if you love obama you will love hillary nt msongs Feb 2015 #30

Why debate that? Obama will never run again. Hillary seems as though she might. merrily Feb 2015 #50

And if you hate Obama ... you'll spend 8 more years complaining about Hillary on DU. JoePhilly Feb 2015 #53

Doubtful that she will win the general so probably much closeer to 8 months than 8 years. merrily Feb 2015 #60

As we say goodbye to the middle class. Why don't you guys admit you support the 1%? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #232

A little honesty from them WOULD be refreshing. Dragonfli Feb 2015 #299

Except with bigger cajones AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #126

Most excellent post merrily. Phlem Feb 2015 #36

Thank you, Phlem. merrily Feb 2015 #61

You have to excuse the 'centrists' and their lack of evidence to refute your OP. Rex Feb 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #47

Thanks, Rex. So far, they seem to have error and ugly smears. But, I always hope for substantive merrily Feb 2015 #62

spot on, Rex annabanana Feb 2015 #96

Leopard can't change it's spots, no matter how many corps they dissolve. HRH still 3rd way / DLC on point Feb 2015 #43

KnR nt benz380 Feb 2015 #45

. stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #56

Well I just watched Hillary's Iraq war speech. zeemike Feb 2015 #57

The flag burning amendment is usually red meat (R)'s throw to their base, so I agree. merrily Feb 2015 #66

What does 'Etc.' stand for? Everyone else who disagrees with you? randome Feb 2015 #63

Does your post even make sense? merrily Feb 2015 #64

Possibly not. randome Feb 2015 #69

All the blathering from the Left is not going to matter one iota in Hillary's decision to run. Beacool Feb 2015 #65

My OP was full of quotes and links. And the right has proven its "blathering" skills often. merrily Feb 2015 #71

psst, merrily....... antigop Feb 2015 #116

Thanks! My, my I wonder if her state has an open primary? merrily Feb 2015 #160

New Jersey? antigop Feb 2015 #295

No clue, but thank you. merrily Feb 2015 #297

Oh, the insulting PUMA term. Beacool Feb 2015 #303

Which term would you prefer? merrily Feb 2015 #322

So, all Hillary supporters are PUMAS? Beacool Feb 2015 #368

Speaking of bull, I never said, and never would say, that all Hillary supporters are PUMAs. merrily Feb 2015 #428

Neither am I, sweets. Beacool Feb 2015 #479

how many PUMAs actually voted for Obama? nt antigop Feb 2015 #336

No clue. I think a lot of the so-called PUMAs were Republicans to begin with, but I als know some merrily Feb 2015 #341

Psst, genius...... Beacool Feb 2015 #302

"I cringe to think what would happen to the country if the Republicans get to control Congress AND LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #73

The OP is full of FACTS, not blathering. HappyMe Feb 2015 #78

I see a few facts then a lot of innuendos and bullcrap. Beacool Feb 2015 #304

Of course you don't see many facts. HappyMe Feb 2015 #330

Laugh all you want, but if Hillary runs she will win the nomination. Beacool Feb 2015 #370

Speaking of bullcrap, if you imagined you saw it in my OP, you probably should merrily Feb 2015 #429

DLC-style politics has already created a mountain of shit for us to clean up. jeff47 Feb 2015 #140

Electability is supposed to be the justification, but has anyone compared merrily Feb 2015 #148

IMO, it worked well in the 80's and 90's jeff47 Feb 2015 #190

Hatred of the left oozes from every comment by Hillary supporters. Marr Feb 2015 #169

Hatred of the left, while accusing the left of being the right. merrily Feb 2015 #198

No, we don't hate the Left. Beacool Feb 2015 #301

Another straw man. No one said she has no right to run in the primary, not the OP, not a single post merrily Feb 2015 #430

Something of interest for you. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #379

Thank you. Beacool Feb 2015 #382

A lot of Anti-Hillary people on DU these days. They'd rather have a Republican win BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #473

The fact that so many here equate a Hillary presidency to that of a Republican one Beacool Feb 2015 #480

It would require an enormous suspension of disbelief! I know that anyone who is to the right of BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #483

Thank you for that list. Beacool Feb 2015 #487

I just want t go on the record: I was not the alerter. merrily Feb 2015 #432

I never said or implied that you did. Beacool Feb 2015 #482

"her "racially tinged" 2008 campaign against Obama"???? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #68

You think its going to be a surprise to anyone? It was all over media in 2008. merrily Feb 2015 #75

Oh yeah, the media is always so fair and accurate. Beacool Feb 2015 #305

Except it was 2008 and there was audio and video of all the events that got to me. merrily Feb 2015 #321

Yeah, it tore at your delicate sensibilities. Beacool Feb 2015 #371

Wow. But not at yours? Not even enough to believe that it tore at mine? merrily Feb 2015 #376

Yes, let's look at it. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #86

There is more. merrily Feb 2015 #100

yep, that's only for 2007/early 2008 AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #111

Thanks, Atomic. I appreciate the confirmations. merrily Feb 2015 #119

There is no denying they did the race baiting, it was wrong and it didnt help them, it hurt them. randys1 Feb 2015 #209

No, you don't have to believe that. And, it's pretty unlikely that she is going to make any merrily Feb 2015 #363

A corporatist by any other name... valerief Feb 2015 #81

Odd you choose to spend so much time on defaming and not promoting your candidate. great white snark Feb 2015 #82

None of this is defaming anyone, it is just the facts, and they are imporatant. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #87

Holy smokes! HappyMe Feb 2015 #88

You would think progressives are hip to the idea of having a choice. Rex Feb 2015 #102

They started a year and a half ago, HappyMe Feb 2015 #108

Who has called for unwavering support... brooklynite Feb 2015 #112

Chuck Schumer (D-Wall Street) MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #501

I see -- so 1 person = "they" brooklynite Feb 2015 #505

I noticed it IRL before Obama even got re-elected. merrily Feb 2015 #156

I did too. HappyMe Feb 2015 #162

Yes. I was told that it was simply that she was just that likeable. merrily Feb 2015 #171

lol! Yeah. HappyMe Feb 2015 #179

How dare you have fun with this! (Me, too) merrily Feb 2015 #194

Facts are not defamation-but your claim I defamed might well be. And she is nobody's candidate yet, merrily Feb 2015 #103

The Clintons have given speachs about the virtures of third way politics. It is a dirty word Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #83

For distinction, are true progressives supposed to adopt a new label/term? Hope not. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #85

I know. The terminology thing is a bear. merrily Feb 2015 #152

But, as the ultimate "not as bad" candidate she shines. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #91

LOL. and Thanks, Tierra. merrily Feb 2015 #173

K & R LiberalLovinLug Feb 2015 #97

Even if all of this OP is 100% correct and true, billh58 Feb 2015 #98

Is there really a difference between getting shit on jeff47 Feb 2015 #143

The primary hasn't begun. merrily Feb 2015 #181

I understand that we aren't even billh58 Feb 2015 #195

Posting is not campaigning, but campaigning against several Democrats is exactly what should happen merrily Feb 2015 #204

Your OP and your opinion billh58 Feb 2015 #225

Again, that comment applies to the general, not the primary, let alone the pre-primary. merrily Feb 2015 #226

The worst part is, Hillary isn't even electable. Marr Feb 2015 #308

That is my belief as well. Additionally, I am coming to think merrily Feb 2015 #316

You know, I think you've just nailed it on the hallowed cause of "electability." hedda_foil Feb 2015 #356

Dimson's administration and war may have done more to elect Democrats in 2006 and 2008 merrily Feb 2015 #369

Agree. I am coming to think electability is a shibboleth for some. merrily Feb 2015 #317

DSG turbinetree Feb 2015 #99

Great Source. Yeah, Ross Perot hailed Clinton as proof DLCers could win elections, too. merrily Feb 2015 #185

There are Democrats, and there are progressives. Hillary is not a progressive Democrat. leveymg Feb 2015 #104

Parry: Is Hillary a Neocon-Lite? antigop Feb 2015 #113

I've heard it referred to as "Neo Liberalism", I'm Phlem Feb 2015 #138

I don't know about that. As the OP states, the term "progressive" is not necessarily a synonym of merrily Feb 2015 #114

To further complicate things, there are "liberal internationalists" and "humanitarian interventions" leveymg Feb 2015 #120

You are way above my head. merrily Feb 2015 #186

great thread, merrily. The Third Way sycophants keep kicking it. nt antigop Feb 2015 #130

kick to show 'progressive' sycophant's disregard for historical accuracy wyldwolf Feb 2015 #134

Kicking rather than debating. cui bono Feb 2015 #151

I am NOT a progressive. merrily Feb 2015 #188

If it quacks like a duck... wyldwolf Feb 2015 #197

DU's right often quacks like Republican ducks, but never mind that. Define "progressive." merrily Feb 2015 #200

And anyone who posts like you do and denies being a 'progressive' lives in a fairy tale. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #257

So, no definition? Anyone who pretends the definition of "progressive" is self evident lives in a merrily Feb 2015 #259

I just gave you one - from your OP wyldwolf Feb 2015 #264

No that simply says "progressive" means different things to different people. merrily Feb 2015 #269

I love when right wingers try to make progessive a dirty term LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #242

Thanks, antigop. (Flailing and failing, it's been.) merrily Feb 2015 #187

Amazing! Geronimoe Feb 2015 #133

Thanks, Geronimoe! merrily Feb 2015 #189

No more centrists, no more Clinton/Bush....progressive candidates please. nt mother earth Feb 2015 #154

no more money reddread Feb 2015 #338

Note: PNAC isn't dead. It just morphed into the Foreign Policy Initiative. KamaAina Feb 2015 #168

Thanks KamaAina. merrily Feb 2015 #191

K&R ReRe Feb 2015 #182

i would like to see you spend as much time on the positive aspects of the Democratic party as what Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #183

!? Phlem Feb 2015 #184

I fucking love the Democratic Party, which is exactly why I reject DLC/Third Way. merrily Feb 2015 #192

Your love is insufficient. It must be unquestioning. neverforget Feb 2015 #298

I was, for a while. merrily Feb 2015 #323

Hilary, unlike Bill, has never been working class. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #365

Hillary's family may have been upper middle class, she and Bill was not in the upper middle Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #375

Attorneys are considered professional class, not "working class" And two attorneys working, even merrily Feb 2015 #433

How does attorneys get paid, by having clients, if you do not have a client base then you do not get Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #468

Did Hillary adopt a pit bull? Or open an Olive Garden? KamaAina Feb 2015 #193

The Third Way shut down the DLC after... Oilwellian Feb 2015 #196

Thank you. The calculation of how much the world's 1% profited from repeal of Glass Steagall is merrily Feb 2015 #199

They just changed the name from DLC to 3rd Way or New Democrats. bvar22 Feb 2015 #210

Also, No Labels, founded by a Bushite and a bunch of Clintonites. merrily Feb 2015 #218

Just like Blackwater -> Xe Services (2009) -> Academi (2011) cascadiance Feb 2015 #243

Yep. Haliburton, too. And grifters. merrily Feb 2015 #270

DLC derangement syndrome at its worst One of the 99 Feb 2015 #211

You didn't read the OP very well, if at all. It addressed dissolution of the DLC very early on. merrily Feb 2015 #214

Yet you are still using the DLC One of the 99 Feb 2015 #216

Again, you might try reading the OP before flinging around accusations. merrily Feb 2015 #217

I've read it One of the 99 Feb 2015 #219

If you read it, then you would know it's factual. merrily Feb 2015 #220

I know she was associated with the DLC. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #229

The DLC/Third Way/New Democrats are working to help the corporations steal the wealth from the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #237

No One of the 99 Feb 2015 #253

Do you have any evidence that HRC favors the 99% over the 1%? nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #283

Never said that I did. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #285

perhaps you do not see DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #343

Never said that I didn't One of the 99 Feb 2015 #347

Sporting a Union avatar while championing the anti-Worker Third Way? n/t ieoeja Feb 2015 #361

Again never said that I did. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #374

there is one hundred percent DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #391

This is not about Hillary. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #393

"other people's ideas" in this case are to move the Democratic party LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #247

So you prove my point for me. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #254

You are having some comprehension difficulty LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #256

No difficulty at all. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #262

You don't want reminders that Hillary is Third Way. merrily Feb 2015 #268

No One of the 99 Feb 2015 #271

The purpose of the post was to show Hillary was Third Way. merrily Feb 2015 #275

Wasn't me. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #277

Politics is about ideology and, again, stating a fact is not demonizing. merrily Feb 2015 #279

Politics is about many things One of the 99 Feb 2015 #280

No, rejecting Third Way is having my own political viewpoint, not demonizing. merrily Feb 2015 #282

Yes it is One of the 99 Feb 2015 #284

Sigh. Another demonization of me from one of the blinded. merrily Feb 2015 #288

Weak comback. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #291

While your reply is potent? LOL! merrily Feb 2015 #293

While reply is potent????? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #294

do you consider it slightly ironic DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #345

When did I say I support the Clintons? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #348

there is compromise DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #400

Again you prove my point. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #404

LOL. You think it is ideological rigid to say that the Democratic Party should LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #385

Not the point I was making. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #386

Those advocating continuing to move the Democratic Oarty to the right to be LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #390

That's not what I'm advocating. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #392

Why would I keep an open mind about those advocating that the Democratic Party LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #396

Again that is not what I'm advocating. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #398

it is not blinders DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #401

It is blinders One of the 99 Feb 2015 #402

what IS my ideology? DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #406

Whatever it is you're lost in the weeds. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #439

and you miss an even greater point DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #508

No that's the smaller point One of the 99 Feb 2015 #510

Then what is it you are advocating? You seem unable to say LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #455

I have to repeat it because you're still not getting. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #463

Circular spambot LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #467

If that's the case One of the 99 Feb 2015 #470

Again, there was no demonization. She is associated with the DLC/Third Way. It's a fact. merrily Feb 2015 #267

So it is the board's fault??? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #272

Huh? Can you link me to posts of yours that solve problems? merrily Feb 2015 #273

Could have fooled me One of the 99 Feb 2015 #274

So, no link to posts of yours that solve real life problems? merrily Feb 2015 #281

You keep changing the subject. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #286

No, I simply keep trying to hold you to what you posted. And again, you are flinging accusations merrily Feb 2015 #289

How are you holding me to what I posted? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #292

"A true progressive is not threatened by other people's ideas." Another absurd statment Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #384

Only absurd to those blinded by their ideology. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #387

Your blanket statement married to a true Scotsman fallacy make it absurd, Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #409

And so you too resort to insults. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #440

Circular argument spambot LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #456

More insults? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #466

Once again not an insult, just a factual note on style and rhetoric. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #485

What facts have I called lies? One of the 99 Feb 2015 #490

Acorn was assasinated, the DLC metastasized.You stament is either stupid, misleading Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #383

And you resort to insults One of the 99 Feb 2015 #388

Or people that can't abide stupidity and lies. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #394

More insults One of the 99 Feb 2015 #397

You compared ACORN to the DLC, there is no arguing logically with that type of nonsense. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #408

So you missed the point again. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #441

It is a laughable comparison, one of the dumbest I've ever seen. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #484

But it's not a comparison of the two organizations One of the 99 Feb 2015 #491

You seem not to understand I know what you are tyring to do, your just wrong in every way. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #493

You don't know what I'm trying to do. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #494

Pot. Kettle. You insulted me mindlessly again and again and never made any argument at all, merrily Feb 2015 #434

I made an argument against blind demonization. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #443

No you didn't. You just kept accusing me of having demonized Hillary, which was pure 100 proof bs. merrily Feb 2015 #450

But wasn't that the whole point of your OP One of the 99 Feb 2015 #464

You my friend, have the patience of a saint. I don't know how you do it. There's not Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #497

Thank you for calling me a friend! I consider you one as well. merrily Feb 2015 #498

Not disingenuous One of the 99 Feb 2015 #500

Right back at 'cha. Not to take anything away from Skittles and risk her wrath. But Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #506

Aw. Thanks. Sometimes, I do lose my patience. Then I take a break. merrily Feb 2015 #507

Litmus test DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #399

Thanks for proving my point. nt One of the 99 Feb 2015 #403

by stating that some of us DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #405

Once again this is not about Hillary. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #444

Here's a clue -- you HAVE no fucking point LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #457

Now you resort to cursing. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #465

Too fucking bad LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #469

I want them to be open minded about solutions to problem One of the 99 Feb 2015 #471

You prove my point. Your ideological blinder keep you from being open minded LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #478

This is not about specific policy points and never was. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #492

Nothing is wrong with litmus tests. merrily Feb 2015 #435

Yes there is. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #446

depends on what you want DONE DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #509

Have fun playing the victum One of the 99 Feb 2015 #511

it is not "just as unreasonable" DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #512

You can't see the forest for the trees. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #513

the greater point DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #516

The greater point that you've missed One of the 99 Feb 2015 #517

because DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #518

No, because One of the 99 Feb 2015 #519

if by ideological blinders you mean DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #520

oh and by the way DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #521

This was never about Hillary. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #523

Wow you still don't get it. One of the 99 Feb 2015 #522

Brava! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #221

Thank you! Yep, you heard correctly. merrily Feb 2015 #222

Well Done merrily.. 2banon Feb 2015 #223

Thank you so much. merrily Feb 2015 #224

Bottom line is ...too many Dems are way too willing to suck up to the 1% oligarchy to win. L0oniX Feb 2015 #231

Also, way too many politicians ARE the 1% oligarchy merrily Feb 2015 #233

Why is it we need Hillary so badly? Yeah, she's had some experience, but where does her loyalty lie? YOHABLO Feb 2015 #236

To the Top of the Greatest Page. woo me with science Feb 2015 #239

recommended Ramses Feb 2015 #249

Thank you! merrily Feb 2015 #250

K & R GoneFishin Feb 2015 #261

, blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #276

Yep. It's almost time for the Democratic primary to begin. merrily Feb 2015 #278

K&R nt raouldukelives Feb 2015 #296

Excellent OP dreamnightwind Feb 2015 #306

aw, thank you so much! And, yes, we need a number of ideological alternatives in a primary. merrily Feb 2015 #324

Good OP Merrily, It is true of course and facts help inform decisions Dragonfli Feb 2015 #307

I agree as to the fiscal policies. The goal seems to me to have been to get us to focus on social merrily Feb 2015 #320

The DLC has made a class war out of this society since its inception in the mid-eighties mrdmk Feb 2015 #309

It's time the 99% stopped supporting corrupt governments. merrily Feb 2015 #325

Hear, hear, time for the B.S. to end mrdmk Feb 2015 #367

The DLC realized the jig was up so they did what Conservatives do... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #310

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #335

It should!! RiverLover Feb 2015 #337

You're welcome RiverLover, and thank you. merrily Feb 2015 #349

Ha! Darnit! I was trying to be subtle. RiverLover Feb 2015 #422

Thank you. merrily Feb 2015 #342

It's got 131 recs now. I hope it gets hundreds. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #350

It's fun... sendero Feb 2015 #339

Thank you. merrily Feb 2015 #346

Two political parties picking over bones of the middle class and below. They are never satisfied... whereisjustice Feb 2015 #344

Sadly, I think the bottom rungs are largely ignored. merrily Feb 2015 #351

Lets keep it simple... BrainDrain Feb 2015 #355

Many seem to have voted their personal political ambition. merrily Feb 2015 #357

Moral outrage is a good thing, selective outrage, not so much... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #358

agreed... BrainDrain Feb 2015 #372

Are they running? I realize both have been mentioned as possibly maybe merrily Feb 2015 #437

The words of a DLC founder. Get corporate money then won't need the people. madfloridian Feb 2015 #378

Translation: fuck unions? merrily Feb 2015 #380

Of course DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #407

Thanks. Unions were huge for my parents when I was growing up and that seems to have gotten them merrily Feb 2015 #410

More madfloridian Feb 2015 #381

What are synonyms for political charades? reddread Feb 2015 #431

I am not sure how to answer because the question went over my head. Sorry. merrily Feb 2015 #436

I'll have to pass, Alex. reddread Feb 2015 #438

. merrily Feb 2015 #442

Did you stumble? madokie Feb 2015 #448

Please see Reply 412. merrily Feb 2015 #449

Naw madokie Feb 2015 #453

Hope it goes well. I sure wish I were handier. merrily Feb 2015 #454

Hillary is to "progressive" what decaf is to Coffee. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #495

500 responses! Holy crap! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #502

Thanks. I tend to reply to posters who reply to me, though I've now stopped with several, merrily Feb 2015 #503

kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #514

..... merrily Feb 2015 #515

Recommend.... KoKo Mar 2015 #524

bumping this dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #525

What's up with the headline? HassleCat Jul 2015 #526

I think the OP, if you follow all the links, supports the headlne. merrily Jul 2015 #527

K&R SamKnause Jul 2015 #529