The lying is obvious now. (Reply #23) - Democratic Underground

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Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:55 PM

23. The lying is obvious now.

Regardless what you may have read on DU, it wasn't so cut and dried at the time.

Considering all the incredible pressure, outright lies, and heavy political spin put on the AUMF vote, I am willing to cut her the benefit of the doubt on that one. It is plain to see with hindsight the utter falseness of the premise to use force on Iraq, but people of good conscience made the choice to vote in favor of it. I am willing to believe that, although she should have known better, at the time she didn't know better.

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79 replies	Author	Time	Post
Is the whole Brain Williams kerfuffle a warm up [View all]	needledriver	Feb 2015	OP
First it was "conflating"	cwydro	Feb 2015	#1
Right on the heels of deflategate...	TeeYiYi	Feb 2015	#6
Deflaters won	alcibiades_mystery	Feb 2015	#11
I would like to see the "Fairness Doctrine" reinstated or "Truth in Journalism" laws. nt	TheBlackAdder	Feb 2015	#32
I am more interested in an honest answer from her on her Iraq War Crime vote	on point	Feb 2015	#2
Iraq War Crime? I agree the war was a crime but is that what you mean?	NoJusticeNoPeace	Feb 2015	#5
Yep. She voted to invade Iraq for no legitimate reason. That is war crime of 'aggression'.	on point	Feb 2015	#12
So if the choice is her or Ted Cruz, do you not vote for her?	NoJusticeNoPeace	Feb 2015	#13
That sounds like Debbie Wasserman Shultz's strategy.	Capt. Obvious	Feb 2015	#41
I am not crazy about her, at all...Why havent they replaced her?	NoJusticeNoPeace	Feb 2015	#47
She must claim to have inherited J Edgar's shoebox	ChairmanAgnostic	Feb 2015	#61
I hear Ted Cruz will not be running in the Democratic primary.	merrily	Feb 2015	#56
Nah, but if he won the R primary and ran against Hillary...i wonder what people would do	NoJusticeNoPeace	Feb 2015	#62
Plenty of time to ask that question when the Democratic nominee has become obvious.	merrily	Feb 2015	#64
It's never too early for loyalty oaths	Capt. Obvious	Feb 2015	#65
Joe McCarthy, is that you? Actually, it's never the right time for message board loyalty oaths.	merrily	Feb 2015	#66
The lying is obvious now.	needledriver	Feb 2015	#23
I knew at the time the war was a fraud. She has no excuse at all and I won't cut her slack.	on point	Feb 2015	#34
Of course she knew	Capt. Obvious	Feb 2015	#42
And no cost in blood and treasure to the US was too great when it came to her personal ambition.	merrily	Feb 2015	#58
She did not only vote for the Iraq invasion. She stood up in the Senate with her bare face	merrily	Feb 2015	#53
what do you mean, you mean?	Cosmic Kitten	Feb 2015	#29
Who knows...I want to know if Bernie is going to switch parties, run, to move her to the left	NoJusticeNoPeace	Feb 2015	#3
It's going to be a very ugly campaign if HRC runs.	leveymg	Feb 2015	#4
The only thing we dont know is what will the libertarian Hillary haters	NoJusticeNoPeace	Feb 2015	#7
The libertarian Hillary haters...	Cosmic Kitten	Feb 2015	#30
I'm a corporatist Hillary hater. And I won't vote for her or a repug. nt	benz380	Feb 2015	#38
You can say that again. I'm bettin Hillary ends up not runnin-would be a smart move on her part.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2015	#14
She'd better stop hiring campaign staff.	leveymg	Feb 2015	#15
They can always throw their support to Bernie, who doesn't need to inflate his biography - awesome person that he is.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2015	#39
it'll be ugly no matter which Democrat runs.	KittyWampus	Feb 2015	#17
"Misspoke"	Politicalboi	Feb 2015	#8
Shame on you bringing up Hillary lies. Now drink your Koolaid and get ready for HilLIARy.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2015	#16
you mean like Elizabeth Warren "misspoke" about being American Indian?	KittyWampus	Feb 2015	#19
Is that really a thing?	AtomicKitten	Feb 2015	#25
Thanks AK for settin the record straight. I'd take Elizabeth's record of honesty & genuineness over HilLiarY's any day.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2015	#40
Did she? nt	MannyGoldstein	Feb 2015	#37
You young'ens won't believe this, but up until about 1970 or so,	hedgehog	Feb 2015	#43
Did she? Did anyone do a DNA test to prove her wrong?	merrily	Feb 2015	#57
I put "misspoke" in quotes	needledriver	Feb 2015	#22
At least Brian Williams' helicopter group took some actual fire?	GGJohn	Feb 2015	#46
Dang. Well, it wouldn't be the first time	needledriver	Feb 2015	#67
No it's the typical overreaction to everything	tracks29	Feb 2015	#9
Who perceives NBC as ultra liberal?	Kingofalldems	Feb 2015	#28
The RW	tracks29	Feb 2015	#33
Doesn't mean they are.	Kingofalldems	Feb 2015	#35
I never said they were	tracks29	Feb 2015	#49
We love tearing down the occadional celeb.	Orsino	Feb 2015	#50
Probably, how does one dodge that particular bullet?	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#10
Agree, but the airport bit, important as it was, pales in comparison with her speech urging	merrily	Feb 2015	#59
True but lying about snipers is much easier to hammer on a commercial and is nonpartisan	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#71
Depends on the audience. I think more Democrats opposed her in 2008 for her speech and vote on the	merrily	Feb 2015	#74
They're piling on because it feeds their tropes about "lying liberal media"...	JHB	Feb 2015	#18
Or it may never come up again	DearAbby	Feb 2015	#20
If you were running against Clinton in a general election you wouldn't make sure it came up?	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#73
I'm telling you it stinks of PR	underpants	Feb 2015	#21
do we ad to the problem	olddots	Feb 2015	#24
I think she is off the hook for this.	Chemisse	Feb 2015	#26
He is just an habitual liar who finally gate called out.	liberal N proud	Feb 2015	#27
Whose story was more fictional?	MannyGoldstein	Feb 2015	#31
LOL	DemocratSinceBirth	Feb 2015	#36
I don't think it has much to do with Hillary.	HappyMe	Feb 2015	#44
'Brain' williams may be an overstatememt at this point	pinboy3niner	Feb 2015	#45
"Brain" Williams would be good with fava beans and a nice chianti	pinboy3niner	Feb 2015	#48
Williams needs to resign. Rather got fired for a hell of a lot less.	merrily	Feb 2015	#51
And if you can't trust the people who run your government to tell the truth...	Fumesucker	Feb 2015	#52
Who trusts the people who run government to tell the truth?	merrily	Feb 2015	#55
I didn't mean that his specific lie	needledriver	Feb 2015	#69
I think the two things are separate. Also, Ichingcarpenter posted the other day that he	merrily	Feb 2015	#70
People have known for a lot time that he exaggerates	TexasMommaWithAHat	Feb 2015	#76
You are spot on! It has already started with the	B Calm	Feb 2015	#54
Please stop being fearful of the Republicans. It's unbecoming of us Democrats.	DemocratSinceBirth	Feb 2015	#63
No one is being fearful, just stating a fact!	B Calm	Feb 2015	#68
They said our presidential candidate...	DemocratSinceBirth	Feb 2015	#78
When they said that shit about Obama did it make you fearful?	B Calm	Feb 2015	#79
Why do Democrats have "scandals"	daredtowork	Feb 2015	#60
I'd be surprised if Williams, or anyone important at NBC News, is a Democrat.	merrily	Feb 2015	#72
Brain Williams?	KamaAina	Feb 2015	#75
I don't know, but if the media was looking for honesty in their ranks, Fox News would be in the	still_one	Feb 2015	#77

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