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fishwax

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13. I've known many people who wouldn't likely have been able to afford college otherwise
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 04:05 PM
Apr 2012

I do have some conflicting thoughts on it, to be sure. I am a big fan of college sports on the one hand, but I also think that big-time athletics are often overvalued at the expense of attention to academics.

But I certainly wouldn't favor eliminating scholarships for athletic ability any more than I would favor eliminating scholarships for other things. There are all kinds of scholarships awarded for things that don't directly involve the classroom, and I think that's fine. We need more ways for people to be able to afford education, not fewer.

I know there is a common stereotype about athletes not being interested in the classroom, but in my experience (I've taught at the college level for several years as well as being a student, graduate student, and working in administration) it doesn't hold up. I've had a handful of students who were on athletic scholarship and cared only about getting a good enough grade to keep their eligibility. I've had more who saw athletics as an opportunity to get an education they would never have been able to afford otherwise and worked hard in the classroom. And I've had several whose interest, like any other college student, varied on the subject and innumerable other factors.

I've known several people (not speaking of students here, but family and friends) who were able to get athletic scholarships and who would have had a hard time going to school otherwise. They've done good things with the opportunities given to them.

Um, isn't 'athletic scholarship' an oxymoron, sort of like coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #1
I was actually thinking of that as I typed this OP. white_wolf Apr 2012 #3
I don't have a problem with it if DocMac Apr 2012 #24
My oldest son made the Dean's List, and is batting .406 for his college baseball team. 11 Bravo Apr 2012 #38
Wow, seems like I touched a nerve. Congrats to your son on coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #45
You didn't touch a nerve. You simply repeated a trite, broad-brush, falsehood; and got called on it. 11 Bravo Apr 2012 #63
OH, FFS, let me tell you a little story about how the U. of Wisconsin coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #65
I'll try and get over it. 11 Bravo Apr 2012 #69
I think one is far more apt to see genuine students hifiguy Apr 2012 #46
Nope. Not in the least. CBGLuthier Apr 2012 #2
Seriously. white_wolf Apr 2012 #6
Hard to argue with anything stated here. I saw it in the high schools here. calimary Apr 2012 #23
A "jumbotron" for high school? white_wolf Apr 2012 #26
Yep. Seems a little extreme to me, too. calimary Apr 2012 #36
You haven't been to Texas HubertHeaver Apr 2012 #59
Well... Serenades Apr 2012 #35
Have a problem with movie/television stars making bank Spike89 Apr 2012 #39
No and yes, respectively. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #4
I think schools should be schools. No sports. No frisbee club. No concerts. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #5
So many strawmen, I don't know which to knock down first. white_wolf Apr 2012 #8
Who said anything about music teachers? I meant concerts that are held on campus. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #15
It's like shock and awe agreeing with you. nt DocMac Apr 2012 #31
I dunno - depends on when those concerts are scheduled. calimary Apr 2012 #33
If all the sports were like the frisbee club there would not be a problem CBGLuthier Apr 2012 #25
In your world how many colleges give a qaulity education? More than 10? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #27
A lot of kids who get athletic scholarships wouldn't be able to get into college on their own Hugabear Apr 2012 #7
I agree with your point about being a way to help kids who couldn't get in otherwise... white_wolf Apr 2012 #10
+100 Liberal_in_LA Apr 2012 #30
FYI, only a tiny,tiny % of college athletes even sniff being close enough to play pro sports... dionysus Apr 2012 #34
And the minute you can't play, the sholarship goes away... rfranklin Apr 2012 #16
I agree Drale Apr 2012 #28
I think that would be a great rule. white_wolf Apr 2012 #29
Really? Could a CS student drop out to form Microsoft? Spike89 Apr 2012 #40
Yes I do know that but Drale Apr 2012 #42
Contrarian view here. I think college athletes are one of the most exploited coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #47
But as a result, low-income kids who COULD qualify for academic scholarships if they studied Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #53
Yes, I've thought of this, too. Understandable on a case-by-case basis. calimary Apr 2012 #61
D3 is not allowed to give athletic scholarships HockeyMom Apr 2012 #9
No. Certainly not while legitimate academic programs are being slashed. kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #11
I replace "sports" with "music" and re-read the premise. LanternWaste Apr 2012 #12
Are universities paying millions of dollars to music teachers? white_wolf Apr 2012 #17
"waste money that should be spend on academics" LanternWaste Apr 2012 #19
Are music schools making money to help support athletics? Spike89 Apr 2012 #22
It's the same thing for the Art department and the Literature department and ... progressoid Apr 2012 #48
Can depend on the school, but at most, the money goes to the music department Spike89 Apr 2012 #50
Nope. progressoid Apr 2012 #60
That was very intersting. Thank you for posting. n/t white_wolf Apr 2012 #62
I've known many people who wouldn't likely have been able to afford college otherwise fishwax Apr 2012 #13
Once every area of actual "education" has been funded. raouldukelives Apr 2012 #14
I think Philosophy was one of the first departments to be cut at my school. white_wolf Apr 2012 #20
Agreed, but let's re-title coaches as 'Playground Supervisors' and coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #49
My cousin's BS at a prestigious college was covered by a band scholarship. LeftyMom Apr 2012 #18
I never heard of the band members lording it over the rest of the campus Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #57
Good schools already prevent that from happening. LeftyMom Apr 2012 #58
Not a zero sum game Spike89 Apr 2012 #21
An emphatic & unashamed NO! bvar22 Apr 2012 #32
Use The Money For BIGAthletics For This, Instead. zorahopkins Apr 2012 #37
Because you would kill the revenue stream for those resources and the money wouldn't exist TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #51
Actually, sports mostly fund more sports Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #56
Even that being the case the proposal I responded to would still kill the very revenue stream TheKentuckian May 2012 #70
The idea is not bad in principle. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #41
College sports are fine as long as they are not done at the expense of the students... cynatnite Apr 2012 #43
You darn right I do madokie Apr 2012 #44
God no (n/t) CrawlingChaos Apr 2012 #52
Sports education, recreational sports and intramural club sports - Yes; varsity intercollegiate - No FarCenter Apr 2012 #54
Athletic scholarships and college sports support themselves, they don't need my help. TheManInTheMac Apr 2012 #55
Not as it is, but I think the NCAA(?) could fix it. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #64
It depends on the college and how much they spend on athletics. LiberalFighter Apr 2012 #66
Our Country is Mostly Run by Ex-Jocks, and it Shows AndyTiedye Apr 2012 #67
College sports are popular. And because of that, they are often moneymakers RZM Apr 2012 #68
No. stlsaxman May 2012 #71
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