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In reply to the discussion: Whoa...slow down on the anti-vaxxer bashing!! [View all]NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)45. You might want to take a look at the corrections in that study.
Its authors are Neil Miller, who currently works for Think Twice, an anti-vaxxer group, and Gary Goldman, who is a former member of WAVE, another anti-vaxxer group (whose web address is actually novaccine.com).
The study was also partially funded by yet another anti-vaxxer group, NVIC.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaccine-schedules-and-infant-mortality-a-false-relationship-promoted-by-the-anti-vaccine-movement/
Before we get to the study itselfwhich, as you might imagine, has
flawslets take a look at the authors. The first author, Neil Z. Miller, is described as an independent researcher, and the second author, Gary S. Goldman, is described as an independent computer scientist. This is not a promising start, as neither of them appear to have any qualifications that would lead a reader to think that they have any special expertise in epidemiology, vaccines, or science. Still, I suppose one could look at the fact that these two somehow managed to get a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal as being pretty strong evidence for the democratic nature of science, where you dont necessarily have to be affiliated with a university or a biotech or pharmaceutical company in order to publish in the scientific literature. On the other hand, even though it is stated that this was not funded by any grants or companies, I still see a conflict of interest. Specifically, the NaturalNews.com article points out that the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) donated $2500 and Michael Belkin donated $500 (in memory of his daughter, Lyla) for open access to the journal article (making it freely available to all researchers). The NVIC, as you recall, was founded by Barbara Loe Fisher and is one of the oldest and most influential anti-vaccine groups in the U.S., having recently teamed up with Joe Mercola to promote anti-vaccine views.
No, most definitely not a promising start.
Its also not surprising. I did a bit of Googling, as is my wont whenever I encounter someone whose name I dont recognized, and I found abundant evidence in his Wikipedia entry that Miller has a long history of anti-vaccine activism, having written books with titles like Vaccine Roulette: Gambling With Your Childs Life, Immunization Theory vs Reality: Expose on Vaccinations, and Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective?, among others. But thats not all; hes also the director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute and in fact is hosting a copy of this study on his website. Gary S. Goldman is even more interesting. It turns out that he is the President and Founder of Medical Veritas, a rabidly anti-vaccine journal that is into HIV/AIDS denialism, having published dubious reanalyses of autopsy results of victims of AIDS, such as Eliza Jane Scovill. He also notes at his website that hes written books entitled The Chickenpox Vaccine: A New Epidemic of Disease and Corruption.
No, most definitely not a promising start.
Its also not surprising. I did a bit of Googling, as is my wont whenever I encounter someone whose name I dont recognized, and I found abundant evidence in his Wikipedia entry that Miller has a long history of anti-vaccine activism, having written books with titles like Vaccine Roulette: Gambling With Your Childs Life, Immunization Theory vs Reality: Expose on Vaccinations, and Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective?, among others. But thats not all; hes also the director of the ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute and in fact is hosting a copy of this study on his website. Gary S. Goldman is even more interesting. It turns out that he is the President and Founder of Medical Veritas, a rabidly anti-vaccine journal that is into HIV/AIDS denialism, having published dubious reanalyses of autopsy results of victims of AIDS, such as Eliza Jane Scovill. He also notes at his website that hes written books entitled The Chickenpox Vaccine: A New Epidemic of Disease and Corruption.
That the authors didn't declare this enormous conflict of interest initially should set off alarms.
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Tell your dentist that you want mercury laden amalgams, because the ADA research says its OK.
Mika
Feb 2015
#40
I have the same beliefs about the idiots requiring some massive shaming. nt
Lucky Luciano
Feb 2015
#112
This reminds me of witch burning. Please don't tell me you think you are liberal minded because
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#114
Personally, I think those here that are obsessed with locking, hiding, and banning are on the
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#117
I feel the same way about those that support fracking and the TPP. You always have the
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#123
I have no more love for anti-vaxxers than I do for chemtrailers, AIDS denialists, and creationists.
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#134
I certainly understand having a passion about an issue, but to let it get into the
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#144
While we're at it, let's ease up on Flat-Earthers and Holocaust Deniers too...
LanternWaste
Feb 2015
#141
Treating diseases would make "Big Pharma" a lot more money than vaccinations do.
Brickbat
Feb 2015
#16
And a lot of those kids and adults died from polio and if they did not they were physically disabled
jwirr
Feb 2015
#37
One uncle who died from polio and another uncle and aunt who survived polio.
we can do it
Feb 2015
#93
When my best friend was 2 y.o., her mother died of polio. Remember LIFE magazine? Photos like yours.
Hekate
Feb 2015
#149
Yup - I alert on all anti-vaxx posts. Not on this one though, because some good shamng
Lucky Luciano
Feb 2015
#113
There is a study on infant mortality rate and the number of vaccine doses compared to other countrie
jakeXT
Feb 2015
#21
Citing a study funded and conducted by anti-vaxxers will typically bring that out, yes.
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#102
In addition, SAGE got into trouble for failing to properly peer review the articles they published.
greatlaurel
Feb 2015
#87
It also dumbfoundingly counts vaccines like MMR as three separate vaccines.
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#100
Aha, thank you. I replied in depth to the study, should have read the rest of the thread first. Than
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#109
Correlation does not equal causation. "higher infant mortality rates" due to...what? The diseases
uppityperson
Feb 2015
#107
If you don't like it, feel free to leave and never cme back if you are anti-vaxx. nt
Lucky Luciano
Feb 2015
#115
Lucky Luciano never PM'd me. I'm advising other DUers that his/her words mean little
Trillo
Feb 2015
#140
The assertion that infant and childhood vaccines are 'heavy stimulation' is false.
Aristus
Feb 2015
#43
outbreak of measles at day care in suburban illinois - several of the babies are under 1 yrs old.
salin
Feb 2015
#47
Sorry but your take on immunology doesn't make me confident in your conclusions.
Arugula Latte
Feb 2015
#58
Hepatitis B is not running rampant because of an aggressive vaccination campaign started in 1982
hack89
Feb 2015
#76
So at average volume dose of 0.5ml less than a tablespoon total of vaccine over 18 months?
Liberal Veteran
Feb 2015
#78
Vaccination as a DU topic is exclusively about dogwhistling and tribalism.
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2015
#96
I empathize with those wanting to wait a while. But instead of explanations of the timing, they get
Overseas
Feb 2015
#124
The facts have been explained over & over & over here, yet not one anti-vaxxer has budged...
Hekate
Feb 2015
#151