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Pres. Obama tells Dems, on TTP: "Get informed, not by reading the Huffington Post" [View all]	bigtree	Jan 2015	OP
Well, he's dead on the money about HuffPo being an uninformative source.	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#1
deflection	bigtree	Jan 2015	#4
Yes.	Aerows	Jan 2015	#68
OK, Pres, publish the damn document so we can get informed!! nt	kelliekat44	Feb 2015	#464
And if it isn't "finalized"	Aerows	Feb 2015	#477
Has he explained how these Democrats are supposed to 'get informed' when they have been	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#11
Excellent point.	whathehell	Jan 2015	#30
Every single member of Congress has the right to review the TTP drafts. Some have taken the	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#48
They won't let Grayson in there to read it anymore	2naSalit	Jan 2015	#55
Really--did Grayson ask and was formally denied or was this a rumor? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#58
Maybe you weren't in that particular loop? n/t	Aerows	Jan 2015	#113
Well, we know they have RIGHT, but we know, unless Wyden et al are all liars, they have been DENIED	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#62
Nonsense--Elizabeth Warren has been reading the drafts. You seem to be confused.....	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#65
The security procedures	Aerows	Jan 2015	#133
Right--they can't. Which is also standard procedure for many other pieces of legislation, like the	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#138
If a trade deal	Aerows	Jan 2015	#145
Aerows, can you name the other countries in this agreement? You think they might have security	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#152
Not sure I can, actually	Aerows	Jan 2015	#171
Um, Aerows....so secret that google has them? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#184
So every member of Congress has the right to see them under extraordinary	MannyGoldstein	Jan 2015	#188
Walking to the Winder Building is not extraordinary, Manny. Finding out	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#190
So secret	Aerows	Jan 2015	#192
There isn't a final bill to review. And no....I'm really glad Ted Cruz's staffers can't review this	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#193
Oh	Aerows	Jan 2015	#199
It's a national security is because we've included other countries and nearly 500 outside sources	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#245
I see you offering	Aerows	Jan 2015	#248
Thank you, Aerows. I appreciate your well reasoned arguments in this thread.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#406
I've done my best	Aerows	Feb 2015	#481
I'm not, and I'm not glad Alan Grayson's	Aerows	Jan 2015	#206
"I'm really glad Ted Cruz's staffers can't review this"	Joe Turner	Jan 2015	#256
Elizabeth Warren was told that public opposition would be significant for the TPP if	think	Jan 2015	#235
Passing or not passing the TPP is a measure of our democracy.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#407
It's not my argument. You don't seem to know much about the history of this issue. The Congressional	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#300
There is today a world full of low wage workers even without the TPP. I do not think the intent of	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#309
Are you arguing then to make things WORSE? It is the job of our GOVERNMENT not of Global Corporatio	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#314
+1	treestar	Jan 2015	#321
UNTRUE! The spoiled American consumer are at fault? Incredibly cheap food?	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#410
If Elizabeth Warren would change her mind and decide to support the TPP, my support for her	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#404
She's an important voice in this debate--one I listen too. The thing is, as I've written previously	msanthrope	Feb 2015	#488
I vote for snide remark intended to deflect.......	SammyWinstonJack	Jan 2015	#59
I guess they should read	Aerows	Jan 2015	#215
if this were a Republican President doing this exact thing,	neverforget	Jan 2015	#233
That has been our big mistake.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#411
These snide remarks just serve to piss me off more than I already am.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#403
Very condescending, as if members of Congress were children. Especially considering the YEARS during	sabrina 1	Feb 2015	#438
Those in that DC bubble,	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#439
I can understand bashing the Huff	Aerows	Jan 2015	#72
Every single member of Congress has access to the draft TPP. Some have taken the time to read	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#76
You sound awfully informed on this one	Aerows	Jan 2015	#85
Well, shit, Aerows....I learned that from DU.....	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#101
Do you have a financial adviser? n/t	Aerows	Jan 2015	#107
I do pretty well on my own--I tell my broker what to do. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#109
Because you have all of the relevant information	Aerows	Jan 2015	#111
I don't have a financial adviser, Aerows. And I index. If I could turn prospecti into toilet paper	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#119
Honestly, I wouldn't be so self-assured to do without professional expertise	Aerows	Jan 2015	#127
Well, Aerows, sometimes ya' just gotta bet it all on red....	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#130
Wow	Aerows	Jan 2015	#136
fast track means limited debate and zero amendments on a bill already signed by the President	bigtree	Jan 2015	#150
Yes--I've already said I think no amendments is a feature, not a bug on fast track.	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#153
Definite bug	Aerows	Jan 2015	#157
Do we really want the Republicans to have the ability to amend?	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#160
We shouldn't be having it at all, then	Aerows	Jan 2015	#172
+100	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#460
in support of fast-track you are blocking Democrats from influencing this trade pact	bigtree	Jan 2015	#175
I don't think the Democrats have the numbers to cloture amendments that would benefit. You forget..	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#191
you have no way of knowing what amendments would prevail	bigtree	Jan 2015	#196
To block Republican amendments--yes. What amendment do you possibly see	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#197
but you don't really want any amendments	bigtree	Jan 2015	#198
Again...have you a TPP amendment that would get cloture? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#241
If not	Aerows	Jan 2015	#252
the entire process is anti-democratic	bigtree	Jan 2015	#257
You absolutely	Aerows	Jan 2015	#299
+100	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#462
you're claiming, on one hand, that Congress has a right to review - on the other you dismiss them	bigtree	Jan 2015	#162
Yes--our Democratic legislators do have the right to negotiate, and have.	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#180
just 'review' a draft, not the final language; not so with numerous corporate representatives	bigtree	Jan 2015	#189
Well....I can't fix Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2...can you? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#242
I can fix this quandry	Aerows	Jan 2015	#254
Lol, so in your opinion, this is how democracy works. Foreign Corporatins, NOT out Legislative Body,	sabrina 1	Feb 2015	#492
My dear, you must take it up with the forefathers who wrote Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2. nt	msanthrope	Feb 2015	#495
The forefathers are dead. They would roll over in their graves, if they were to visit the country	sabrina 1	Feb 2015	#499
It really puzzles me	Aerows	Jan 2015	#159
So you are betting on Red huh?	Caretha	Jan 2015	#284
Some sharing of the final draft with the public is overdue. I suppose there is a legal constraint if	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#128
They don't have a final. The drafts are available to every member of Congress, though. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#132
But they can't take notes	Aerows	Jan 2015	#250
The final draft isn't negotiated yet, so it can't be "shared" (nt)	Recursion	Jan 2015	#276
In Reply 101, you cite as authoritative the source you dissed in Reply 1 as uninformative.	merrily	Jan 2015	#149
No--merely noting that it was used on DU. I suspect that even HuffPo can transcribe	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#155
Not exactly. Aerows asked you the source of your info and, as reply to Aerow's inquiry, you	merrily	Jan 2015	#173
Ta Da!	annabanana	Jan 2015	#158
Thank you.	merrily	Jan 2015	#174
Shame on you for actually being informed about the topic you're discussing!!...	SidDithers	Jan 2015	#202
Did you catch the part where Google is keeping secret the names of the other signatories?	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#243
The political naïveté on this board is sometimes stupefying...	SidDithers	Jan 2015	#244
Well..FDL tells them there's a problem, so there must be one. Funny...no one wants	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#246
No, they don't. Link to text.	grahamhgreen	Jan 2015	#322
I'm glad he told us that.	Savannahmann	Jan 2015	#118
Perfect (nt)	malokvale77	Jan 2015	#230
Here is a bald fact.	Aerows	Jan 2015	#120
That's shocking.	JackRiddler	Jan 2015	#310
I don't consider it "access"	Aerows	Jan 2015	#353
Look here, Bub, if your Rep or Senator doesn't have a photographic memory it is on you	TheKentuckian	Jan 2015	#361
To quote Homer Simpson	Aerows	Jan 2015	#363
Pffft!	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#412
Some things you only share with the general public, not loved ones	FrodosPet	Jan 2015	#147
Ad Hominem. FAIL.	grahamhgreen	Jan 2015	#318
What do you do for a living? How will this costly trade deal benefit you?	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#445
I love when POTUS tells it like it is.	Ykcutnek	Jan 2015	#2
Did he tell those Democrats HOW they can inform themselves considering they have been DENIED	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#14
They seem to know a lot about something that is so secret.	Ykcutnek	Jan 2015	#15
There have been leaks, damn whistle blowers again, and we know some of what is in there, relating	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#18
Yes, If the TPP is so great, why has it been kept SECRET for years? n/t	whathehell	Jan 2015	#33
lots of negotiations	sabbat hunter	Jan 2015	#200
Exactly.	Aerows	Jan 2015	#227
Every member of Congress can see it--they merely have to abide by the security procedures. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#51
Yes, and several of those that have seen it (can't take notes 'natch) have...	stillwaiting	Jan 2015	#54
And I think we should listen to all voices---and thanks for confirming my point--	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#61
As I replied before	Aerows	Jan 2015	#75
I don't know everything about it--but I do know who has access to it---every member of Congress,	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#80
And I can see why.	Aerows	Jan 2015	#97
Why do you think the committees have no access to experts?	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#104
This troubles me	Aerows	Jan 2015	#139
Right--and when you deal with 12 odd countries, that's how things work. Jeebus, they can take a	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#148
But there are SEVERE and frankly undemocratic restrictions.	stillwaiting	Jan 2015	#77
Oh, lordy....those restrictions have to do with the nature of the very democratic Congress and the	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#87
As I have said previously on DU this Agreement apparently includes quite a bit that goes well above	stillwaiting	Jan 2015	#116
What goes above is national security issues, which makes the secrecy all the more	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#129
Krugman changed his tune a bit a few days ago. From his blog...	stillwaiting	Jan 2015	#134
Oh--I agree with Krugman. We should have strong suspicions. But we shouldn't panic and lose our	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#142
You have strong suspicions but you are for Fast Track? nt	stillwaiting	Jan 2015	#144
Yes--I don't want Repuke amendments. Straight up and down. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#156
LOL You're worried about "repuke" amendments?	Oilwellian	Jan 2015	#179
+100	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#463
+100000 Beyond funny.	woo me with science	Feb 2015	#498
Who, commenting on the TPP, has actually read the text of it? ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jan 2015	#112
Who at DU or who in Congress?	merrily	Jan 2015	#224
What bullshit.	JackRiddler	Jan 2015	#372
Tell me you are being sarcastic? He tells people to get smart on an agreement that	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#31
Oh, that is so true.	malthaussen	Jan 2015	#42
Yes I agree. Sadly people are so desperate they will believe rhetoric. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#46
Every single member of Congress has the right to review the draft TPP. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#63
It's all being done at the command of the Oligarch Rulers, rick...	SidDithers	Jan 2015	#221
Hi Sid. Good to see you. You seem to pop in to comment on my posts.	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#237
Sid, do you side with Code Pink or Dipshit McCain? nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#249
...	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#414
They're not?	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#413
I'm sure your Prime Minister and parliament are interested in your feedback and support.	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#501
Oh we can use that ol lightning fast freedom of information thingy...with no redaction's too.	L0oniX	Jan 2015	#289
Yep	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#290
Then you should have a frowning face	lark	Jan 2015	#79
^^This^^	truebrit71	Jan 2015	#163
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch!	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#415
What do you do for a living? How will this costly trade deal benefit you?	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#447
Ya know, I'm getting real tired of hearing about dry powder.	malthaussen	Jan 2015	#3
One thing I've learned about President Obama	madokie	Jan 2015	#26
Exactly...I like the guy personally, voted for him 5 times (1x for Senator)	whathehell	Jan 2015	#36
Playing dumb is no longer effective? I'm with you, malthaussen.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#416
In that what he said to me is	madokie	Jan 2015	#5
I think what we've been privy to doesn't measure up to the billing	bigtree	Jan 2015	#8
From what I see	madokie	Jan 2015	#34
What? Alan Greyson has begged for a copy. It's not available to Congress.	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#50
I haven't even heard from Grayson in a while	madokie	Jan 2015	#57
Every single congressperson has access to the drafts. Not all of them have staff access	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#67
Anything this big and far reaching has to be debated	Joe Turner	Jan 2015	#280
Trust you and your nose about what? Sounds folksy but I'm not clear on what the point is.	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#446
Nonsense....Alan Grayson, like every single member of Congress, has the right to review	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#64
well, not in this case. Sen Sanders said members "have little or no knowledge as to what is in it,’	bigtree	Jan 2015	#78
Much of this is still in draft	madokie	Jan 2015	#123
I'd be very concerned about the republican majority and corporate-minded Dems passing fast-track	bigtree	Jan 2015	#143
Hey, Jan, I've got news for you. It will remain unacceptable.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#417
This message was self-deleted by its author	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#418
What do you do for a living? How will this costly trade deal benefit you?	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#448
What difference does that make	madokie	Feb 2015	#455
Deflection. One can only guess what motivates your position. How wi the trade deal benefit you, your	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#491
I agree with him completely. He has done nothing to think he's selling us down the river.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#6
I know right!? No banker deserved to go to jail	Phlem	Jan 2015	#9
You mean like Ron Wyden? So 'just trust us' is good enough for the Trade Committee	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#23
In other words, since he has done nothing to explain how this will help the 99%,	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#38
Hopefully any agreement will set the stage for trade in the 21st Century. I hope we are a major	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#56
More happy trade talk to put lipstick on pig.	Elwood P Dowd	Jan 2015	#81
Blind faith is not a trait of the Left.	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#82
Blind fear of Obama seems to be, though.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#99
so now Bernie Sanders is just like Chicken Little?	frylock	Jan 2015	#204
None on the Left "fear" Obama, they just want him to be accountable as any	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#216
He's been accountable, but never good enough for some.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#222
When we find ourselves with millions of our children living in poverty, it isn't good enough	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#226
Candidate Obama said that he saw the damage done by NAFTA.	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#325
Those that support the President will not speak to facts only tell us to have Faith. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#326
I used to have great faith in the President.	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#336
Canada and Mexico are part of the deal -- that would change/replace NAFTA. He's crafty ain't he.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#337
Tax the hell out of them?	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#342
Is that all you have to post. What about fact you totally missed that TPP IS REDOING NAFTA?	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#343
The NAFTA provisions will probably get worse.	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#347
Why do you think that? I agree things aren't as well as they were a few decades ago, but it	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#348
It is because of NAFTA. NAFTA contributed to the Race to the Bottom. If the President continues	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#401
I think NAFTA was more trying to preserve what we had and slow your so-called "race to the bottom."	Hoyt	Feb 2015	#440
I would believe what I want rather than what the corporations wish me to believe.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#441
and there sure is a surplus of lackeys	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#465
It must pay well.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#474
I'm quite sure it does for many; especially the lawyers and TV commentators.	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#476
But we should have blind faith in	treestar	Jan 2015	#323
And if it's not a great deal, we can always blame it on someone else.	merrily	Jan 2015	#217
Not participating in the trade agreement, at this point, gets us nowhere.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#223
And you know that how? You also don't know where participating will get us.	merrily	Jan 2015	#225
Well, I am sure letting the world pass us by -- by sitting on the sidelines -- won't help us.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#339
With the working class of the US as martyrs to global capitalism	Populist_Prole	Jan 2015	#349
Doing nothing won't help, sorry. Plus, there are working class people in other countries too.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#351
Doing nothing is better than doing something bad	Populist_Prole	Jan 2015	#358
yes; let's all work for peanuts together!	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#466
The TPP would raise standards, but I get a lot of folks don't care about that.	Hoyt	Feb 2015	#472
Right, that's why wages & benefits are going down; because free trade raises standards!	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#473
Not because of trade agreements.	Hoyt	Feb 2015	#482
why then	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#483
When will he stand up for US workers and against the interests of multinational corporations?	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#420
What do you do for a living? How will this costly trade deal benefit you?	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#449
I believe Obama. End of rant.	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#7
He's certainly more credible than the quacks who are spreading TPP disinformation.	Ykcutnek	Jan 2015	#10
Who are these "quacks" who are spreading TPP Disinfo?	KoKo	Jan 2015	#17
The various Anti-TPP sites list them as endorsements.	Ykcutnek	Jan 2015	#20
vs the reactionary neo liberal posters that support this shit	Ichingcarpenter	Jan 2015	#37
I'm with you and Grayson and Sanders and Warren.	merrily	Jan 2015	#231
+1	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#421
So you can't back up your statement? How do you know that the information they are spreading	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#45
"Blind faith isn't Democratic." Should be written in stone.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#422
it should be a simple task to cite a few examples	frylock	Jan 2015	#205
Well, I would not call MannyGoldstein a "quack", but he did make a very serious mistake	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#69
I have no problems blaming him. If he's spreading that disinformation	BlueCaliDem	Jan 2015	#110
I'm willing to get all het up about the TPP, once I get some accurate information about what I	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#115
Ron Wyden is a 'quack'? All those Dems on the Trade Committee are 'quacks'? When did Democratic	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#29
All the outrage over secret negotiations over trade where liberals are well represented but not quite so much	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#74
The TPP is way more that trade. It's about corporate domination. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#84
Like I said, I trust Obama, that includes more than anonymous comments on the Internet.	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#94
This message was self-deleted by its author	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#100
..	frylock	Jan 2015	#207
But they object to the term 'authoritarian'.	Marr	Feb 2015	#471
Ron Wyden is not anonymous, neither are Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson among so many	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#292
So, to be clear your position is that Ron Wyden is an internet crank because that	TheKentuckian	Jan 2015	#332
i doubt few of the posters pushing tpp do it because of childish devotion to politicians.	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#468
I'm not following you. We are talking in this thread about the secret agreement being crafted by	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#295
I was not aware that Congress was being illegally denied access to draft accords or documents.	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#307
This is waaaaay more than a mere "trade agreement". And the warrior for the lower	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#315
Liberals were "well represented" by who exactly and to what extent?	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#453
Tell us more about those "quacks" with organized crime.	madfloridian	Jan 2015	#96
But then again, they do know a thing or two about organized crime.	malokvale77	Jan 2015	#232
Obama never lied?	840high	Jan 2015	#285
Me too	fadedrose	Jan 2015	#53
I trust Obama. End of another rant.	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#70
So do I.	BlueCaliDem	Jan 2015	#124
My full faith and trust also. Evidence to the contrary does not yet exist to change my mind.	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#126
Did you believe him when he said:	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#92
I believe this part:	fadedrose	Jan 2015	#258
But he isn't doing what he said he believed in. He isn't trying to make this process more	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#486
Which Obama do you believe?	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#89
Please see both my rants on the thread.	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#93
Do you say anything substantive or just tell us that you blindly trust Pres Obama? nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#291
Added to Ignore list.	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#306
Sorry to hear that. I was hoping you'd share with us some good reason to support the TPP. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#313
This message was self-deleted by its author	neverforget	Jan 2015	#383
they don't have a good reason and they can't argue the point on its merits	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#469
He has effectively asserted that he will engage in "double think" if required	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#502
I understand the need in some to "just go along" w/o thinking. In these trying times it is	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#505
You are better than me, all I get is "I'm a witless nodding machine".	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#506
Too vague to interpret . . .	fadedrose	Jan 2015	#260
The US negotiating position will require Vietnam et. al. to raise their minimum wage	Recursion	Jan 2015	#278
You totally avoided the question. Did you believe Obama in 2008 or	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#293
Well, since as I pointed out he's not "saying the opposite" I can't answer your question	Recursion	Jan 2015	#294
That is exactly why we lose	treestar	Jan 2015	#328
What do you do for a living? How will this costly trade deal benefit you?	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#450
People have tried to 'get informed' but the current version of the TPP isn't readily available. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jan 2015	#12
Wikileaks got hold of a chunk of it and "Public Citizen" and other Groups lawyers	KoKo	Jan 2015	#66
I suppose "they" think Moyers is a quack, too.	grasswire	Jan 2015	#186
anyone who dare speaketh against Him is a quack..	frylock	Jan 2015	#208
Yes I agree. nm	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#458
...	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#423
They are always looking out for us..	sendero	Jan 2015	#13
I am sure Obama genuinely believes the TPP will be good for America. I don't know if he's right.	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2015	#16
That's how I feel too.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#19
Excuse me but he 'can't let our current Congress negotiate details'. Are they not the	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#39
Excuse me, I'm talking about during negotiations to get a final agreement that would be presented	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#43
They cannot "negotiate" a damned thing with Fast Track. NO REVISIONS.	djean111	Jan 2015	#161
Obama does not have Fast-Track authority and he's unlikely to get it. In any event,	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#178
"The Top Secret Trade Deal You Need to Know About..Moyers & Company" --Dean Baker/Yves Smith	KoKo	Jan 2015	#267
Notice that everything they say is "COULD" do this or that.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#298
You said it! :)	raindaddy	Jan 2015	#137
TPP Explained....Interactive Links at "Public Citizen"	KoKo	Jan 2015	#22
Like I said, uninformed opinion is heavily against it.	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2015	#25
The track record of previous 'free trade agreements' has been horrible	Maedhros	Jan 2015	#32
Well, I may be stupid and you may be much smarter than I am, so could 'analyze' the part	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#44
crickets.	Octafish	Jan 2015	#95
Aw, you are very kind, Octafish. But there are a whole lot of people who I'm sure, would disagree.	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#287
Well, they don't know what they're talking about...	Octafish	Jan 2015	#304
How about Clinton's Secretary of Labor, Robert Reich? "Why the TPP is a Pending Disaster"	KoKo	Jan 2015	#60
All I can say is that, unlike the last link, he's not obviously a crank.	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2015	#86
Well, then, it's a good opportunity to go back to "Public Citizens'" Link and inform yourself...	KoKo	Jan 2015	#103
Professional activists, or professional trade economists?	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2015	#114
The professional trade economists are cheerleaders for the race to the bottom.	Elwood P Dowd	Jan 2015	#140
Huge plus one.	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#333
I disagree with your assumption that we are all knaves,	Maedhros	Jan 2015	#253
I think you need to reread.	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2015	#264
Nah, you're chiding us as naysayers because we have concerns based upon	Maedhros	Jan 2015	#301
Not "have concerns". "Are certain this is a bad thing".	Donald Ian Rankin	Jan 2015	#303
What is logically wrong with "I think this is a bad thing, based on past experience these things	TheKentuckian	Jan 2015	#354
Well put	Populist_Prole	Feb 2015	#507
Yup, given enough opportunities real mistakes would on occasion benefit workers	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#509
There has been adequate analysis by learned individuals from a number of disciplines.	Maedhros	Feb 2015	#480
What you have done is limited your acceptable inputs to a group that is chock full	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#503
Public Citizen is a crank oufit now? Yeah, according to the US CoC.	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#475
I think if it's soley about trade and economics, it's a matter of scholarship on some levels	bigtree	Jan 2015	#28
Only a highly-trained specialist can understand the TPP?	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#424
for what part of 'america'?	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#470
Don't make a 'case'. Publish every last bit of the TPP a year in advance and let us decide	on point	Jan 2015	#21
You will never see that.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#425
'There is no red state or blue state just the United Corporate neo Liberalism states of america	Ichingcarpenter	Jan 2015	#24
+1 an entire shit load.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#426
If the TPP will be so beneficial to American workers,	Maedhros	Jan 2015	#27
Good suggestion.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#427
If it was beneficial, they would want us to read it.	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#451
"Get informed, not by reading the Huffington Post..." but by reading...what, exactly?	Iggo	Jan 2015	#35
By reading Rt.com ...	obnoxiousdrunk	Jan 2015	#47
The TPP drafts are available to every member of Congress. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#52
WHEN were they made available?? For years Congress has been denied access and have relied on leaks	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#311
OK. How about the details of the negotiations so far and future negotiations in public?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2015	#40
Perfectly well said.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#428
I'd love to. Publish the TPP treaty so I can read it. (nt)	jeff47	Jan 2015	#41
I suspect we will see it when it's done. Right now, every member of Congress has access to the	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#71
you'll see it when it's done. isn't that reassuring? good to know the masters watch over us.	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#478
OK, so inform us Mr. President.	progressoid	Jan 2015	#49
Every single member of Congress has access to the drafts. We see it when the drafting is done. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#108
Are you saying that	KMOD	Jan 2015	#176
Yes. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#182
Yes. Congresspeople can read it. Sanders is complaining that his staff can't read it (yet)	Recursion	Jan 2015	#277
Can I ask you something,	KMOD	Jan 2015	#279
Fast Track means they have to give it an up or down vote as it stands	Recursion	Jan 2015	#281
ahh, I think I understand it now.	KMOD	Jan 2015	#282
I think it also precludes a filibuster, but I'm not entirely clear on that	Recursion	Jan 2015	#283
Fine Mr. President, then explain why the Huffington Post is wrong.	Dawgs	Jan 2015	#73
Did you know over 50 million US households watch RT?	zappaman	Jan 2015	#83
Did you believe him when he said:	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#98
FOAM THE RUNWAY!	Octafish	Jan 2015	#88
+1 an entire shit load.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#429
What a con man President Obama	SamKnause	Jan 2015	#90
All Obama voters should be in the streets!	WDIM	Jan 2015	#209
I agree 100%.	SamKnause	Jan 2015	#210
+1	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#431
+1	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#430
"We share same values and are looking out for the same people" Then why so secretive??	madfloridian	Jan 2015	#91
Apparently folks know all about it, and what it does -- notwithstanding, it's far from complete.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#102
Obama calls critics of TPP secrecy 'Conspiracy Theorists'	Octafish	Jan 2015	#105
goggle Ghana and recyle your compute	Ichingcarpenter	Jan 2015	#117
I missed that.......thanks for posting...	KoKo	Jan 2015	#122
Huffington Post is as reliable as any of the TV MSM or print media for that matter.	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#341
cass sunstein is a horrible person	TimeToEvolve	Jan 2015	#154
.....	madfloridian	Jan 2015	#167
The few articles there are	Aerows	Jan 2015	#302
My opinion of Cass Sunstein?? From 2008 He said keep harmony protect Bush. BS	madfloridian	Jan 2015	#164
Don Siegelman says "give me a break."	Octafish	Jan 2015	#220
Pointing and shouting "Conspiracy Theorists" is a favorite tactic of those that don't believe in	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#316
Exactly.	Aerows	Jan 2015	#352
Exactly, because we all know there never are any conspiracies in Washington DC politics. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#356
+1 an entire shit load.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#432
You'll see it when it's done. In the meantime, every single member of Congress has access to the	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#106
TPP will affect our lives worse than NAFTA. We have a need to know.	madfloridian	Jan 2015	#169
Sure---and we will know--when we have a trade agreement. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#195
That's not acceptable, but then TPTB don't care what we think.	madfloridian	Jan 2015	#211
Let me know when you want to amend Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#247
The Republicans in Congress that favor the TPP clearly are looking out for the same people that...	stillwaiting	Jan 2015	#141
They need more than access to a "draft"	ThoughtCriminal	Jan 2015	#121
Among the people who have covered the TPP for Huffington Post are Lori Wallach and Robert Reich.	pa28	Jan 2015	#125
Me too!	raindaddy	Jan 2015	#135
+1	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#433
Instead listen to the Republicans....	raindaddy	Jan 2015	#131
Huffpo has published info from Grayson and others re: TPP. So, I guess Huffpo had to go under the	merrily	Jan 2015	#146
what's a better source?	Enrique	Jan 2015	#151
there you have it folks: transparency	Skittles	Jan 2015	#165
and don't forget: every member congress is allowed to read it...	KG	Jan 2015	#185
I will follow Sen. Sanders on this	Omaha Steve	Jan 2015	#166
I'm still trying to find out more about it.	KMOD	Jan 2015	#177
So how many "trade pacts" or "free trade agreements", have really benefited all of America?	SoapBox	Jan 2015	#168
It's a tabloid, not a news source, and Arianna is staunchly Republican.	closeupready	Jan 2015	#170
sure, they publish stuff from folks like this guy	bigtree	Jan 2015	#181
LOL	Oilwellian	Jan 2015	#234
Pres. Obama tells Dems, on TTP: "Get informed, not by reading the Huffington Post"	The CCC	Jan 2015	#183
"keep our powder dry"? what is this, 2007? are they no longer able to come up with new ways to say	MisterP	Jan 2015	#187
Kudos. That's some nice writing. I especially like this one:	merrily	Jan 2015	#219
Nice rant of the truth	Ichingcarpenter	Jan 2015	#229
again, the goal's not to convince anyone, or even to stay in charge of the terms of discourse	MisterP	Jan 2015	#238
Its rather obvious for us that are independent thinkers and independent researchers.	Ichingcarpenter	Jan 2015	#240
+10000000 Propaganda of a corrupt government	woo me with science	Jan 2015	#308
Love your post!	Populist_Prole	Jan 2015	#345
+100	ND-Dem	Feb 2015	#485
oh, and just in cased you missed it: Every member of Congress can see it.	KG	Jan 2015	#194
Do you know how recently that happened? Because there had been complaints about secrecy.	merrily	Jan 2015	#228
I think he was being a bit sarcastic	Oilwellian	Jan 2015	#236
Thanks. On my part, though, it was a serious question. If anyone knows, I'd	merrily	Jan 2015	#297
I missed that. Do you have a link? nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#317
Sorry, Mr. President, but still no sale.	Brigid	Jan 2015	#201
another nafta coming with the new disaster.	WDIM	Jan 2015	#203
"The Top Secret Trade Deal You Need to Know About.. Bill Moyers & Company"	KoKo	Jan 2015	#266
This should be an OP. n/t	winter is coming	Jan 2015	#273
Thanks for posting. K&R.	JEB	Jan 2015	#275
An old friend of mine is a UAW auto worker - I asked for her thoughts.	closeupready	Jan 2015	#212
I stand with Bernie...	AzDar	Jan 2015	#213
Few things to add	Aerows	Jan 2015	#214
Her, Grayson and Sanders.	merrily	Jan 2015	#218
We are supposed to just shut up and cheer, though	Aerows	Jan 2015	#255
Wait. You haven't been going under the bus to read Huffpo, have you?	merrily	Jan 2015	#296
Our senators and reps need to get informed that we oppose this	StopTheTPP	Jan 2015	#239
exactly right, StopTheTPP	bigtree	Jan 2015	#251
+ 330 million	nationalize the fed	Jan 2015	#261
"Betrayal of democracy"	JEB	Jan 2015	#271
The State Dept website currently returns 805 docs for "Trans-Pacific Partnership"	ucrdem	Jan 2015	#259
You say 805 docs are available and from your "It doesn't take a lot of reading" you believe	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#324
Yep and note the	treestar	Jan 2015	#331
I think few Congressfolk have read the 802 documents, they are very busy taking sides.	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#334
Then you shouldn't be afraid to let us know the details.	alarimer	Jan 2015	#262
start here:	ucrdem	Jan 2015	#263
Part of the revolving door propoganda mill.	JEB	Jan 2015	#268
At this point I trust the administration more than the pundits.	ucrdem	Jan 2015	#269
I don't trust any of the parties involved	JEB	Jan 2015	#270
Yes, I understand that point of view. But I think this is a different kind of deal.	ucrdem	Jan 2015	#272
I do not trust corporate lobbiests and negotiators	JEB	Jan 2015	#274
YGBFSM	Populist_Prole	Jan 2015	#340
I would ask one of the Beltway pundits if they have read through the American objectives of the TPP?	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#344
Those are "objectives" they mean nothing. Zero. Zilch. Tell me what the document	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#459
One more straw on the almost broken backs	JEB	Jan 2015	#265
+1	840high	Jan 2015	#286
+1000	Populist_Prole	Jan 2015	#330
...by using that ol speedy freedom of information thingy.	L0oniX	Jan 2015	#288
Well we could GET informed if they would release the text of the agreement. Very shitty tactic	Autumn	Jan 2015	#305
Then why don't you inform us Mr President?	classykaren	Jan 2015	#312
This thread provides a great example of the split in the Democratic Party.	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#319
You stated it perfectly	Populist_Prole	Jan 2015	#329
This thread provides a great example of a few things, but not what you're talking about.	Jeff Rosenzweig	Jan 2015	#350
It would be swell if the Democratic Party was united and Progressive. But the reality	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#355
None of which is especially responsive to what I said.	Jeff Rosenzweig	Jan 2015	#366
The reality is that you don't know what you're talking about.	NanceGreggs	Jan 2015	#374
Do you think that kind of talk intimidates me?	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#376
Apparently the facts don't intimidate you ...	NanceGreggs	Jan 2015	#382
You've never bothered with expressing any facts. Let me know when you wish to discuss	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#389
Cool.	NanceGreggs	Feb 2015	#392
This isn't about me. I accept your derision. But do you think that Sen Sanders	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#377
So you take Sanders' word for everything ...	NanceGreggs	Jan 2015	#380
Excellent post.	Bobbie Jo	Jan 2015	#360
I have a huge problem	Aerows	Jan 2015	#362
As I said to rhett	Jeff Rosenzweig	Jan 2015	#367
Fantastic.	Aerows	Jan 2015	#368
I'm very pleased to hear that. n/t	Jeff Rosenzweig	Jan 2015	#369
"Wait and see" and "we'll fix it later" are the political versions of the "four corners" offense in	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#456
don't worry	bigtree	Feb 2015	#461
Ha! Nothing new under the sun in this area.	TheKentuckian	Feb 2015	#500
I'm bookmarking that to read it a 3rd time. Excellent post.	Hoyt	Jan 2015	#365
Why would Democrats and Republicans alike (as you admit) push harmful policies like this?	TheKentuckian	Jan 2015	#371
Rather than state facts, he attacks the press. FAIL.	grahamhgreen	Jan 2015	#320
So far no one that supports the TPP has argued with facts. They expect Blind Faith. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#327
Your own words ...	NanceGreggs	Jan 2015	#370
My arguments are that we shouldn't ram this thru w/o knowing what the impact will be.	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#373
"Pres Obama says "get smart" about the agreement ...	NanceGreggs	Jan 2015	#378
Funny how you attack me but don't commit yourself on issues.	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#379
What the hell THAT was all about ...	NanceGreggs	Jan 2015	#381
cool table?	bigtree	Feb 2015	#386
A few corrections ...	NanceGreggs	Feb 2015	#391
okay, sure	bigtree	Feb 2015	#393
It is an easy thing ...	NanceGreggs	Feb 2015	#394
thing is, Nance	bigtree	Feb 2015	#396
I agree with you wholeheartedly ...	NanceGreggs	Feb 2015	#397
why are we still up at this hour?	bigtree	Feb 2015	#398
I dunno.	NanceGreggs	Feb 2015	#399
At a minimum, you are for secret laws, we're against them.	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#490
Ah, yes ...	NanceGreggs	Feb 2015	#493
The majority of We The People:)	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#494
Firstly ...	NanceGreggs	Feb 2015	#497
The TPP is a secret set of laws unavailable to the American public, we can agree?	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#504
Nope.	NanceGreggs	Feb 2015	#508
Brings me back to - what do you do for a living?	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#510
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch!	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#402
It's a bad sign. I also see this organized DU push back against criticism as a bad sign.	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#346
Yes, the think tank paid posters are here in force.	grahamhgreen	Feb 2015	#395
They will not change my opinion.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#400
^^^Yep.	RiverLover	Feb 2015	#409
^^^Unintentional irony	Bobbie Jo	Feb 2015	#437
Indeed. Those who want what's best for the country that also happen to be Democratic policies	RiverLover	Feb 2015	#442
No conservative here	Bobbie Jo	Feb 2015	#443
I know intentional deflection when I see it.	RiverLover	Feb 2015	#444
Indeed.	Bobbie Jo	Feb 2015	#452
Absolutely!	Bobbie Jo	Feb 2015	#436
Where would you like us to read about a secret agreement, Mr President?	lumberjack_jeff	Jan 2015	#335
This is the outline for labor and full site available at the link:	Fred Sanders	Jan 2015	#338
This offers zero assurances of any kind of protection. It's rhetoric at it's finest.	rhett o rick	Jan 2015	#359
Well, the parallel system in NAFTA has allowed US and Canadian unions to sue Mexico dozens of times	Recursion	Jan 2015	#385
And your point is that you support NAFTA and the TPP?	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#387
As I've answered to you multiple times	Recursion	Feb 2015	#388
This goes beyond workers' rights. This allows corporations to sue countries if	djean111	Feb 2015	#408
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! You win!	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#434
Yes, we should listen to his bullshit projections about 650,000 new jobs instead.	Vattel	Jan 2015	#357
650,000 new ones created in exports, 10-fold that lost in imports	Populist_Prole	Jan 2015	#364
Obama does not like the Internet.	WinkyDink	Jan 2015	#375
How are we supposed to do that?	davidthegnome	Jan 2015	#384
Why informed? It's easier to be blissfully ignorant while spouting crap like Obama's legacy is dead.	great white snark	Feb 2015	#390
Aren't those that refuse to try to learn what's going on but content to trust Obama and the	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#467
I wonder if Fox will have coverage of the TPP he approves of?	RiverLover	Feb 2015	#405
"they won't support any new trade deal b/4 the admin. can demonstrate that the result will	riversedge	Feb 2015	#419
There will be higher wages but 82% fewer jobs available.	Enthusiast	Feb 2015	#435
K&R for Much Needed Attention.. and just want to say...	2banon	Feb 2015	#454
How can we get informed about something that is delibertately being kept secret?	Man from Pickens	Feb 2015	#457
As stated at least 20 times already-every member of congress has access to any and all drafts.	great white snark	Feb 2015	#479
and the public?	Man from Pickens	Feb 2015	#484
Untrue. The actual text of the agreement is under lock & key.	RiverLover	Feb 2015	#487
Huff Post is a news source?	Generic Brad	Feb 2015	#489
Sigh "...according to a source in the closed-door session....."	uponit7771	Feb 2015	#496

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