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KoKo

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56. BTW: What PBO left out of this interview is revealing...
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:11 PM
Feb 2015

He had the NeoCon and Wall Street Investment Houses "Talking Points" down pat....but he left the history out what actually occurred in Ukraine when and after the Protests began. He left out the Crimea situation which is comparable to Clinton with Kosovo and that the Urkrainian elected Government was overthrown...etc. He left out John McCain's early involvement, Victoria Nuland's handing out cookies, and phone conversation "Fuck the EU" and the US Wall Street involved "new team" installed in Ukraine which he credits with putting Ukraine on the path to recovery. He doesn't seem to realize that not all Americans watch CNN/FAUX NEWS and the rest of the Corporate owned networks for information. We have Global Media available and not just "Russian controlled media" (his words) to inform ourselves.

It is disturbing that he says the US won't get involved with Russia beyond the harsher sanctions we will keep imposing, but that NATO will be used if there is any evidence of Russia involved in any surrounding NATO members. Meaning NATO will ramp up militarily against Russia but "our hand" will not be visible.

It reveals a side to Obama that I wish I hadn't seen...

Yanukovych caused the overthrow of his government Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #1
There is nothing in this piece which is not backed up by direct quotes . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #5
"Direct quotes"? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #14
We "brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine" means "we overthrew the government." Really. leveymg Feb 2015 #77
Except he was talking about the agreement to hold early elections. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #85
"broker, verb": to act as a broker for Igel Feb 2015 #95
One thing I don't need is a lesson in grammar. You could use one in Poli sci - a coup is not leveymg Feb 2015 #97
What is a good, fair source of info duhneece Feb 2015 #21
Russia fits that description much better, honestly Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #23
The people who provide "news" (from both sides) Turbineguy Feb 2015 #101
Uh, what repressive brutality? MattSh Feb 2015 #60
At the point he was voted out? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #86
Oh, so you subscribe to this theory? MattSh Feb 2015 #89
Thanks for posting the German TV video. nt snappyturtle Feb 2015 #108
RT? Android3.14 Feb 2015 #2
The story is backed up by direct quotes . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #3
Here is the link to CNN's Zakaria Interview segment with PBO on Russia... KoKo Feb 2015 #53
BTW: What PBO left out of this interview is revealing... KoKo Feb 2015 #56
So if Russia gets 'involved' with NATO members, nothing should be done? randome Feb 2015 #57
cookies of evil uhnope Feb 2015 #96
"It reveals a side to Obama that I wish I hadn't seen..." snappyturtle Feb 2015 #107
Obama's own words RiverLover Feb 2015 #4
His comments are on the video . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #7
We can ignore Obama's words if we wish. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #18
It's all they've got... SidDithers Feb 2015 #10
you know what Mark Twain said about who had the right to use the word "WE" hobbit709 Feb 2015 #6
Not off the top of my head, no . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #8
ROFL... SidDithers Feb 2015 #9
Nah ...... not really. polly7 Feb 2015 #11
+1,000 malaise Feb 2015 #16
Thanks for posting this newfie11 Feb 2015 #12
Obama's referring to the early elections agreed to before Yanukovych fled tammywammy Feb 2015 #13
Except our well-funded fascists took over the Rada and staged our coup instead. another_liberal Feb 2015 #19
The "transition" Obama is referring to in your OP is the deal for early elections. tammywammy Feb 2015 #22
Thanks Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #27
The RT op-ed actually includes a video of Obama saying exactly what the poster you replied to posted JonLP24 Feb 2015 #43
He fled because our neo-fascist armed mobs had seized the Rada and the Presidential Palace . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #33
But ........ he was supposed to stick around to be tortured and sodomized in the street polly7 Feb 2015 #34
Again, your timing is wrong. jeff47 Feb 2015 #50
Yanukovych's Party of Regions actually had the highest total popular vote in the early elections JonLP24 Feb 2015 #51
There are none so blind as those who will not see. DeSwiss Feb 2015 #44
Yanukovich still had full control of the military and security forces. They had kept the protesters pampango Feb 2015 #36
Actually, Yanukovych took three days to leisurely pack up his things and then flew away. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #103
Thank you for putting it in context davidpdx Feb 2015 #37
Yes, they don't need no stinking context when trying to cover putin's sorry **** and put the blame Cha Feb 2015 #110
Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov says Obama Confirmed US involved in Ukraine Coup KoKo Feb 2015 #71
The street battles that forced the deal were part of the overthrow. Where is the distinction? leveymg Feb 2015 #81
Thanks for posting this newfie11 Feb 2015 #15
Why not? The rest of the world knows it ..... 'bout time, I'd say. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #17
k/r nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #20
Let just wait OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #24
Wut, again? OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #38
And on neo-Nazis . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #62
Nice non-sequitur. OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #79
I love Mark Twain . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #82
Interesting read.... blackspade Feb 2015 #25
I call bullshit. If your story only works by leaving things out, it's a conspiracy theory. DetlefK Feb 2015 #26
Rule of thunb: OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #39
You're kidding, right? Adrahil Feb 2015 #28
The Putin boot-liking is strong in this thread...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #30
And you know what they say about a certain river in Africa... MattSh Feb 2015 #59
What the US did was organize and instigate the overthrow of another sovereign government . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #31
Really. You pose the question in your OP then reveal your pre-determined answer. randome Feb 2015 #35
You're more right than wrong here, a_l. Shemp Howard Feb 2015 #42
No, they're really not more right than wrong. jeff47 Feb 2015 #48
It's simply an alternate opinion, jeff. randome Feb 2015 #49
You missed my point, Jeff. Shemp Howard Feb 2015 #52
Germany, France and Poland brokered the deal for early elections. n/t tammywammy Feb 2015 #54
Yes, isolationism worked so great after WWI. jeff47 Feb 2015 #64
You've got the timing backwards. jeff47 Feb 2015 #47
Yanukovych fled Ukraine long before there were any elections. nt snappyturtle Feb 2015 #109
See post 13 and 22. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #29
Yes he did overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected government Demeter Feb 2015 #32
No. Context is key. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #40
Oh..... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #41
+1 Karmadillo Feb 2015 #46
Great quote! another_liberal Feb 2015 #84
Fucking cookies. Damn Oreos always overthrow a government. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #45
Like this one did: johnp3907 Feb 2015 #78
didn't happen that way. article should quote from the signed treaties/agreements. Sunlei Feb 2015 #55
Putin did not invade... MattSh Feb 2015 #65
Nah, the rebels just managed to find tons of Russian military equipment jeff47 Feb 2015 #67
Invasion MattSh Feb 2015 #73
And if it was only equipment, you'd have a point. jeff47 Feb 2015 #74
Geez. You've never heard of the Soviet Union? MattSh Feb 2015 #90
Well done, MattSh . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #91
Feel free to use any part of it or all of it... MattSh Feb 2015 #94
Yeah OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #87
Putin invaded a country next to Russia. That was Ukraine. Both russia & ukraine 'leadership' were c Sunlei Feb 2015 #92
Isn't there a DU "comedy" forum or group for OPs like these? uhnope Feb 2015 #58
No, but there's one for yours, I think. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #68
overpaid. uhnope Feb 2015 #69
Yes, I bet you are. Try a bit harder. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #76
There's the Dumbgeon.... msanthrope Feb 2015 #70
What's the motive? treestar Feb 2015 #61
I doubt President Obama originated the policy . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #63
Hey now! Don't try to bring logic into this. jeff47 Feb 2015 #66
K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #72
It can hardly be denied. I mean when you have neocons ON TAPE plotting the coup, even naming sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #75
State Dept Psaki grilled over leaked tapes--"This is What You Cook for Ukraine?" KoKo Feb 2015 #80
Thanks, I guess they don't want to talk about that, despite the wide coverage it received at the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #93
It seems they are here in every thread telling us all to hate Russia Ramses Feb 2015 #98
Same as Iraq. I remember them well. Even down to the old Saddam lover garbage from the last war they sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #99
Kick. woo me with science Feb 2015 #83
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #88
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #100
Given that video shows Yanukovych voluntarily left under his own power, I'd say no. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #102
Because he walked to the car . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #104
He took his sweet ass time packing. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #105
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #106
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