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18. We can ignore Obama's words if we wish.

Reply to RiverLover (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:34 AM

Feb 2015

So there! It might have been a simple slip of the tongue. [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

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Is President Obama admitting we caused overthrow of Ukraine's government? [View all] another_liberal Feb 2015 OP

Yanukovych caused the overthrow of his government Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #1

There is nothing in this piece which is not backed up by direct quotes . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #5

"Direct quotes"? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #14

We "brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine" means "we overthrew the government." Really. leveymg Feb 2015 #77

Except he was talking about the agreement to hold early elections. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #85

"broker, verb": to act as a broker for Igel Feb 2015 #95

One thing I don't need is a lesson in grammar. You could use one in Poli sci - a coup is not leveymg Feb 2015 #97

What is a good, fair source of info duhneece Feb 2015 #21

Russia fits that description much better, honestly Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #23

The people who provide "news" (from both sides) Turbineguy Feb 2015 #101

Uh, what repressive brutality? MattSh Feb 2015 #60

At the point he was voted out? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #86

Oh, so you subscribe to this theory? MattSh Feb 2015 #89

Thanks for posting the German TV video. nt snappyturtle Feb 2015 #108

RT? Android3.14 Feb 2015 #2

The story is backed up by direct quotes . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #3

Here is the link to CNN's Zakaria Interview segment with PBO on Russia... KoKo Feb 2015 #53

BTW: What PBO left out of this interview is revealing... KoKo Feb 2015 #56

So if Russia gets 'involved' with NATO members, nothing should be done? randome Feb 2015 #57

cookies of evil uhnope Feb 2015 #96

"It reveals a side to Obama that I wish I hadn't seen..." snappyturtle Feb 2015 #107

Obama's own words RiverLover Feb 2015 #4

His comments are on the video . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #7

We can ignore Obama's words if we wish. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #18

It's all they've got... SidDithers Feb 2015 #10

you know what Mark Twain said about who had the right to use the word "WE" hobbit709 Feb 2015 #6

Not off the top of my head, no . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #8

ROFL... SidDithers Feb 2015 #9

Nah ...... not really. polly7 Feb 2015 #11

+1,000 malaise Feb 2015 #16

Thanks for posting this newfie11 Feb 2015 #12

Obama's referring to the early elections agreed to before Yanukovych fled tammywammy Feb 2015 #13

Except our well-funded fascists took over the Rada and staged our coup instead. another_liberal Feb 2015 #19

The "transition" Obama is referring to in your OP is the deal for early elections. tammywammy Feb 2015 #22

Thanks Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #27

The RT op-ed actually includes a video of Obama saying exactly what the poster you replied to posted JonLP24 Feb 2015 #43

He fled because our neo-fascist armed mobs had seized the Rada and the Presidential Palace . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #33

But ........ he was supposed to stick around to be tortured and sodomized in the street polly7 Feb 2015 #34

Again, your timing is wrong. jeff47 Feb 2015 #50

Yanukovych's Party of Regions actually had the highest total popular vote in the early elections JonLP24 Feb 2015 #51

There are none so blind as those who will not see. DeSwiss Feb 2015 #44

Yanukovich still had full control of the military and security forces. They had kept the protesters pampango Feb 2015 #36

Actually, Yanukovych took three days to leisurely pack up his things and then flew away. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #103

Thank you for putting it in context davidpdx Feb 2015 #37

Yes, they don't need no stinking context when trying to cover putin's sorry **** and put the blame Cha Feb 2015 #110

Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov says Obama Confirmed US involved in Ukraine Coup KoKo Feb 2015 #71

The street battles that forced the deal were part of the overthrow. Where is the distinction? leveymg Feb 2015 #81

Thanks for posting this newfie11 Feb 2015 #15

Why not? The rest of the world knows it ..... 'bout time, I'd say. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #17

k/r nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #20

Let just wait OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #24

Wut, again? OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #38

And on neo-Nazis . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #62

Nice non-sequitur. OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #79

I love Mark Twain . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #82

Interesting read.... blackspade Feb 2015 #25

I call bullshit. If your story only works by leaving things out, it's a conspiracy theory. DetlefK Feb 2015 #26

Rule of thunb: OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #39

You're kidding, right? Adrahil Feb 2015 #28

The Putin boot-liking is strong in this thread...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #30

And you know what they say about a certain river in Africa... MattSh Feb 2015 #59

What the US did was organize and instigate the overthrow of another sovereign government . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #31

Really. You pose the question in your OP then reveal your pre-determined answer. randome Feb 2015 #35

You're more right than wrong here, a_l. Shemp Howard Feb 2015 #42

No, they're really not more right than wrong. jeff47 Feb 2015 #48

It's simply an alternate opinion, jeff. randome Feb 2015 #49

You missed my point, Jeff. Shemp Howard Feb 2015 #52

Germany, France and Poland brokered the deal for early elections. n/t tammywammy Feb 2015 #54

Yes, isolationism worked so great after WWI. jeff47 Feb 2015 #64

You've got the timing backwards. jeff47 Feb 2015 #47

Yanukovych fled Ukraine long before there were any elections. nt snappyturtle Feb 2015 #109

See post 13 and 22. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #29

Yes he did overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected government Demeter Feb 2015 #32

No. Context is key. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #40

Oh..... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #41

+1 Karmadillo Feb 2015 #46

Great quote! another_liberal Feb 2015 #84

Fucking cookies. Damn Oreos always overthrow a government. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #45

Like this one did: johnp3907 Feb 2015 #78

didn't happen that way. article should quote from the signed treaties/agreements. Sunlei Feb 2015 #55

Putin did not invade... MattSh Feb 2015 #65

Nah, the rebels just managed to find tons of Russian military equipment jeff47 Feb 2015 #67

Invasion MattSh Feb 2015 #73

And if it was only equipment, you'd have a point. jeff47 Feb 2015 #74

Geez. You've never heard of the Soviet Union? MattSh Feb 2015 #90

Well done, MattSh . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #91

Feel free to use any part of it or all of it... MattSh Feb 2015 #94

Yeah OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #87

Putin invaded a country next to Russia. That was Ukraine. Both russia & ukraine 'leadership' were c Sunlei Feb 2015 #92

Isn't there a DU "comedy" forum or group for OPs like these? uhnope Feb 2015 #58

No, but there's one for yours, I think. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #68

overpaid. uhnope Feb 2015 #69

Yes, I bet you are. Try a bit harder. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #76

There's the Dumbgeon.... msanthrope Feb 2015 #70

What's the motive? treestar Feb 2015 #61

I doubt President Obama originated the policy . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #63

Hey now! Don't try to bring logic into this. jeff47 Feb 2015 #66

K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #72

It can hardly be denied. I mean when you have neocons ON TAPE plotting the coup, even naming sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #75

State Dept Psaki grilled over leaked tapes--"This is What You Cook for Ukraine?" KoKo Feb 2015 #80

Thanks, I guess they don't want to talk about that, despite the wide coverage it received at the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #93

It seems they are here in every thread telling us all to hate Russia Ramses Feb 2015 #98

Same as Iraq. I remember them well. Even down to the old Saddam lover garbage from the last war they sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #99

Kick. woo me with science Feb 2015 #83

kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #88

kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #100

Given that video shows Yanukovych voluntarily left under his own power, I'd say no. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #102

Because he walked to the car . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #104

He took his sweet ass time packing. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #105

kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #106