It wouldn't do any good...Hillary is Hillary... (Reply #9)

In the discussion thread: If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Won’t Be as an Independent: “I will not be a spoiler” [View all]

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Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:44 PM

tokenlib (4,186 posts)

9. It wouldn't do any good...Hillary is Hillary...

Hillary can tint her statements with vague progressive language. But Hillary and Bill have a record that defines them. Do we support her "third way" "new Democrat" positions or not?
After trying to stop her in any way possible in the primaries, do we then come together and support her in the general election to stop an even worse Republican. The lesser of evils yet again.. It all seems so simple...

Hope Bernie runs to give me a choice in the primaries..

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139 replies	Author	Time	Post
If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Won’t Be as an Independent: “I will not be a spoiler” [View all]	pampango	Jan 2015	OP
Then here's the chance for Democrats to approach him and assure their backing if he decides to run	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#1
I suspect the Third-Way contingent would work to kill his campaign from within	NorthCarolina	Jan 2015	#103
Shouldn't he be approaching the Democrats?	George II	Jan 2015	#122
No, why should he? He is making it clear he is interested in running for the WH, he has now stated	sabrina 1	Jan 2015	#128
The Democratic Party, i.e., Barack Obama, has won the last two Presidential elections, and...	George II	Jan 2015	#136
Those paying attention realized he was never going to be another Nader. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jan 2015	#2
Exactly. But that was a cheap reason to diss him because he is a threat to Hillary.	LawDeeDah	Jan 2015	#91
Good point.	bvf	Jan 2015	#106
I don't know about that. As recently as September he was saying he could run as EITHER an	totodeinhere	Jan 2015	#107
I did see that, but I believe that come the actual election time	PoliticAverse	Jan 2015	#112
But, as has been discussed here before, he said in December 2013 that	winter is coming	Jan 2015	#138
Unless he feels that he could actually win the general election as a third	totodeinhere	Jan 2015	#139
Run Bernie Run! nt	99th_Monkey	Jan 2015	#3
Go go go go Bernie Sanders!!!!! Run Bernie Run!	TheNutcracker	Jan 2015	#4
+1. n/t	Jefferson23	Jan 2015	#5
glad to hear it! I know republicans would love to see	demigoddess	Jan 2015	#6
I thought he was too smart for that..	Cha	Jan 2015	#7
I wonder if, sometime in the near future, he and Hillary get together for a private conversation.	Tuesday Afternoon	Jan 2015	#8
It wouldn't do any good...Hillary is Hillary...	tokenlib	Jan 2015	#9
the ONLY reason Bernie needs to become a Democrat....is....	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#10
I take Bernie at his word and am very happy to hear that if he runs (and I hope he does) he	JDPriestly	Jan 2015	#18
You take Bernie at his word? HOW does that negate what I just said?	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#21
He can't run in the primaries if he is not a Democrat.	Adrahil	Jan 2015	#23
He can run in his OWN primaries....	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#24
Ummm... No...	Adrahil	Jan 2015	#26
Um yes....Indpendent Party he is currently in....	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#28
He said he would not run as a spoiler...	Adrahil	Jan 2015	#31
That is what I am trying to tell YOU....the ONLY reason he NEEDS the Democrats...is M.O.N.E.Y.	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#33
No, the main thing isn't the money...	thesquanderer	Jan 2015	#97
Perhaps you could tell us which positions he holds that are inconsistent with Dem policies. n/t	winter is coming	Jan 2015	#34
Perhaps YOU could tell us how he can run in the Democratic Primaries without becoming a Democrat?	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#36
All he has to do is switch his formal affiliation to the Democratic Party.	winter is coming	Jan 2015	#38
You don't see that as a big deal...however the ONLY reason to do that....is still M.O.N.E.Y.	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#40
Actually, visibility would be a good reason.	winter is coming	Jan 2015	#41
"visibility"	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#42
Incorrect...The MAJOR reason to run as a Democrat is to NOT SPLIT THE VOTE, and to unify those that	Faryn Balyncd	Jan 2015	#76
How is that inconsistent with Bernie Sanders?	JonLP24	Jan 2015	#82
Ballot access is important too	Renew Deal	Jan 2015	#45
Bottom line...you cannot get elected without money....	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#47
Perot ran on his own line in the general election	Renew Deal	Jan 2015	#51
EXACTLY.....because BERNIE cannot raise the money...PERIOD!	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#52
Money and ballot access are not the same.	Renew Deal	Jan 2015	#55
Yes my friend it takes MONEY......money to buy advertising....	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#56
Bernie has no chance	Renew Deal	Jan 2015	#58
That's called reality!	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#60
I don't know why people feel O'Malley would be popular	JonLP24	Jan 2015	#83
If Hillary and Biden somehow don't run, voters will likely support O'Malley	Renew Deal	Jan 2015	#84
Biden would probably be even more unpopular than O'Malley	JonLP24	Jan 2015	#86
I saw a poll with Biden and without Hillary that had him in the lead	Renew Deal	Jan 2015	#87
Most of the people outside of Biden & Hillary are unknown to the American public	JonLP24	Jan 2015	#88
He doesn't belong to any political party	JonLP24	Jan 2015	#81
Not for money. How much more moeny will he just because he has a D after his name?	JDPriestly	Jan 2015	#53
How much money do you think it takes to win an election?	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#54
How would changing parties give him more money?	JDPriestly	Jan 2015	#89
because the Democratic party HAS it...geebus!	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#90
........	daleanime	Jan 2015	#35
Actually, I'm not sure he can get on the ballot in some states without a party affiliation	Renew Deal	Jan 2015	#44
Perot ran....	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#57
In the general election	Renew Deal	Jan 2015	#59
because he didn't belong to one of the major parties...just like Bernie!	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#61
How can you possibly defend the statement that Sen. Sanders does "not belong in one of the major...	Faryn Balyncd	Jan 2015	#75
can Hillary run without money? can anyone?	LawDeeDah	Jan 2015	#78
Far from the only reason	JonLP24	Jan 2015	#80
sniff sniff	LondonReign2	Jan 2015	#100
Lol!	BeanMusical	Jan 2015	#111
Good man, Bernie. Thanks for refusing to 'Nader' the election.	wyldwolf	Jan 2015	#11
Cool (nt)	bigwillq	Jan 2015	#12
yes! run, bernie, run! nt	hopemountain	Jan 2015	#13
So no more Bernie = Nader threads?	KamaAina	Jan 2015	#14
Now it will probably just turn to the "Bernie is unelectable" talking point. nt	NorthCarolina	Jan 2015	#104
Oh, right. My bad.	KamaAina	Jan 2015	#105
Keep up	nxylas	Jan 2015	#129
Only someone with absolutely no knowledge of Bernie's history	NorthCarolina	Jan 2015	#130
No need for any as long as he doesn't run a deliberate spoiler vanity boondoggle is there?	whatthehey	Jan 2015	#135
I believe he would easily get as many votes as Nader and maybe as many as Perot,	mountain grammy	Jan 2015	#15
Amen....	daleanime	Jan 2015	#37
Road trip! Count me in, Grammy!	Stardust	Jan 2015	#124
You're in, Stardust!	mountain grammy	Jan 2015	#125
I was on the call	PDittie	Jan 2015	#16
That's because "Clinton's the next in line,"	MoonchildCA	Jan 2015	#19
"Pushed down our throats"???	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#27
The challengers will not be Sanders or Warren	PDittie	Jan 2015	#118
Bernie is polling at 4%.....Hillary at 61%....	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#25
Color me surprised that you commented on this post.	MoonchildCA	Jan 2015	#29
So do 61% of Democrats!	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#30
Well, that's all good and fine. I too will vote for the candidate.	MoonchildCA	Jan 2015	#43
The ONLY ones saying "forgone conclusion" or "crowning" etc....are the Left Leaning Independents..	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#48
And yet - here you are......	djean111	Jan 2015	#63
Obama had also been a nationally recognized figure for almost 3 years	NYC Liberal	Jan 2015	#74
Well, Biden was an early favorite in 1988	Art_from_Ark	Jan 2015	#85
Some people never get tired of performance art. n/t	winter is coming	Jan 2015	#39
Performance art would be thinking that you can come from 4% and beat the candidate with 61%	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#50
Do you really think you are helping Hillary with this constant stream of....stuff?	djean111	Jan 2015	#64
Constant stream of FACTS?	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#65
Facts is not the word I had in mind.	djean111	Jan 2015	#66
You don't get to decide IF she is a Democrat...apparently MOST Democrats do believe she is...	VanillaRhapsody	Jan 2015	#67
You are aware that I only make that decision for myself, by myself, right?	djean111	Jan 2015	#94
Interesting in the same post it is understood only the individual decides their affiliation	TheKentuckian	Jan 2015	#113
She decided that I was not a democrat, I was a left leaning independent. And after thinking about it	Autumn	Jan 2015	#123
You are SO ipso facto, I am stunned that my dear friend did not bestow an ipso facto on me.	Autumn	Jan 2015	#126
I think there is an ipso facto tshirt 'n' everything! So sad you did not qualify......nt	djean111	Jan 2015	#131
Go Bernie go!	MissDeeds	Jan 2015	#17
He loves his country	tabasco	Jan 2015	#20
So...Syriza?	moondust	Jan 2015	#22
Good for Bernie	Andy823	Jan 2015	#32
Campaign for Bernie now, like he's already a Dem, to get a jump on the primaries. nt	Zorra	Jan 2015	#46
K&R	Jamaal510	Jan 2015	#49
I will work for Bernie if he runs.	hay rick	Jan 2015	#62
exactly	Ramses	Jan 2015	#70
Sanders seems to have people frightened here.	Ramses	Jan 2015	#68
And lots of exclamation points. 'Cause if you say it louder, that makes it more true.	winter is coming	Jan 2015	#69
Left Leaning Independents elevens!!!11111!!!1	Ramses	Jan 2015	#72
Careful, dude...	Buns_of_Fire	Jan 2015	#93
What RESPECT I have for this human. nt	UTUSN	Jan 2015	#71
Same here	MissDeeds	Jan 2015	#77
“I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the US..."	freshwest	Jan 2015	#73
Bernie is a good man and I look forward to the debates.	LawDeeDah	Jan 2015	#79
He's one of the good guys	madokie	Jan 2015	#92
Of course, that assumes all the Republicans are in the Republican party. n/t	jtuck004	Jan 2015	#95
Yep, the only thing standing in the way of democracy is Wall St money.	raouldukelives	Jan 2015	#96
Yay, Bernie!	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#98
Bernie Sanders is actually a realist.	MineralMan	Jan 2015	#99
I always knew...	Paka	Jan 2015	#101
K&R nt	Duval	Jan 2015	#102
My one concern is that if both he and Warren run they could split the anti-Clinton vote and	totodeinhere	Jan 2015	#108
I think having more than one progressive candidate is the least of our worries	fbc	Jan 2015	#110
So you do not think that splitting the progressive vote should be a concern?	totodeinhere	Jan 2015	#116
I think it would depend on the individual candidates.	winter is coming	Jan 2015	#120
And it sounds like some folks really don't want that to happen	nxylas	Jan 2015	#132
It should definitely be a concern.	stillwaiting	Jan 2015	#133
Run Bernie!	fbc	Jan 2015	#109
Well, at least he doesn't want to be a spoiler.	Beacool	Jan 2015	#114
Well that should shut up all the DU Cassandras.	Cleita	Jan 2015	#115
Doubtful, since Bernie gave an interview about a year ago, hinting at the same thing.	winter is coming	Jan 2015	#121
See post #107. n/t	totodeinhere	Jan 2015	#137
Thank you Bernie	LynneSin	Jan 2015	#117
Run Bernie run. This is no surprise, Bernie has said this all along.	Autumn	Jan 2015	#119
Good for Bernie. I'd vote for him if he gets the nod!	marble falls	Jan 2015	#127
Good for him - thinking of the greater good.	whatthehey	Jan 2015	#134

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