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216. I find it highly offensive and insulting. Satire

Reply to KingCharlemagne (Original post)

Fri Jan 9, 2015, 02:54 AM

Jan 2015

is humour used to criticize something/someone or group and it has to have the element of truth to it.

For many non Muslims the Koran is shit. They know nothing of its teachings and so when they hear that it says non believers should be killed, women must be covered from head to toe and subjugated to the whims of men and the never ending jihad, well I can understand their feelings.

More Muslims are dying from the bullets and and beheadings done by fundamentalist Muslims. So far their Koran hasn't stopped this or protected them.

So this magazine is poking fun at the above and they have elements of truth on their side. However, I'm not certain the humour is there but for some it may be.

No matter how much something or someone offends another that does not give them the right to violently lash out. Protest the magazine, boycott them but to go in and committ mass murder may have just proved the point, to some, the cartoons were making

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If "Charlie Hebdo" is satire, could someone please explain to me how this cover [View all] KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 OP

I'll just say that I don't understand their humor. El Supremo Jan 2015 #1

It strikes me as downright racist. But I thought maybe there was some KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #14

"the koran is shit" funny stuff. yeah, it's bigoted shit. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #169

I've found them about on the level of Hustler back in the 70s Warpy Jan 2015 #137

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #159

It may indeed be very offensive. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #2

I just wondered if there's some humor here that I'm not getting. From where KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #6

I don't think it's funny, either. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #7

That explains it perfectly. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #23

Even when I was a little girl... 3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #50

Same here. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #59

I remember something awfully racist that he was doing on stage and in movies. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #83

I always thought Jerry Lewis was funny. ananda Jan 2015 #49

Yes, it was after Egyptian police shot demonstrators who were praying Recursion Jan 2015 #89

OK, I think I see the reasoning behind it and why it might be seen as humorous. Thanks KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #98

Like a lot of their stuff the humor comes second to the shock value. Think Southpark Recursion Jan 2015 #100

Yeah, I'm beginning to 'get it.' I think I"ll just retreat to listen to KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #102

Literally it says "the Koran is shit, it can't stop the bullets" jberryhill Jan 2015 #158

that's nasty stuff, and not funny at all. threatening. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #171

I think the cover was mostly tweaking the Europeans who were so enamored of the Tahrir Square Recursion Jan 2015 #97

it's creepy and threatening, actually. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #170

Reminds me a bit of the old Mad Magazine 'toons. Lex Jan 2015 #3

That was my thought. alphafemale Jan 2015 #29

it's nothing at all like mad NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #172

Oh, a bit-maybe a combo between MAD and National Lampoon .... MADem Jan 2015 #205

This does not appeal to my sense of humor TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #4

This cover is, to put it bluntly, out and out racist. I fail to see how this cover has anything KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #17

Since when is mocking religious faith considered "racist?" LAGC Jan 2015 #52

What is your opinion of this jberryhill Jan 2015 #71

That seems like quite a stretch to me. LAGC Jan 2015 #80

Who is holding that book? jberryhill Jan 2015 #91

Specfically, a Tahrir Square protester (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #95

so it's making fun of people who were shot dead? funny stuff NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #173

I think you're reading too much into the cartoon. LAGC Jan 2015 #99

Whether they are "equal opportunity" is beside the specific point here jberryhill Jan 2015 #109

Now that, my friend, is a racist cartoon. LAGC Jan 2015 #113

Shinto was very much the point of imperial Japan jberryhill Jan 2015 #125

Point taken, my friend. Point taken. LAGC Jan 2015 #128

Depends on how those masses act jberryhill Jan 2015 #134

Reservations? Apparently not, as there is a picture going around of flowers and Arabic script.... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #145

Is every Arabic writer Muslim? jberryhill Jan 2015 #146

Now you're just trolling for a fight. Moonwalk Jan 2015 #208

I think you're struggling too hard to ignore the obvious. MADem Jan 2015 #206

Seeing that caricature made me mist up a bit, because we all know or should know what KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #111

Oh come on, it's just a cartoon jberryhill Jan 2015 #126

I saw what you did there! MADem Jan 2015 #207

I was going to say stripmall pentecostal... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #147

Hmmm jberryhill Jan 2015 #156

Islam is a religion, not a race. How can this be racist? Bigoted, perhaps, racist, no. nt kelly1mm Jan 2015 #108

OK, bigoted. Islam actually finds adherents in many lands and of many races, so KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #110

I'm not sure how it's "racist." It doesn't appear to target a particular race to me... Adrahil Jan 2015 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Adrahil Jan 2015 #219

Is there is anything similarly inflammatory for Christians or Jews? whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #20

a friend on facebook likened it to Southpark humor. nt m-lekktor Jan 2015 #25

Let us assume for the sake of discussion it is "hate speech" Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #5

Not as long as free speech is tolerated still_one Jan 2015 #11

Yes, kind of my view Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #22

Free speech pisses some people off immesurably, ive noticed. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #26

I don't think anyone is suggesting that jberryhill Jan 2015 #138

Je Suis Charlie... Not! whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #8

Pls. see post #4 LiberalElite Jan 2015 #10

The French would be "Je Ne Suis Pas Charlie. Pas du tout!" or some KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #19

Yes. TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #35

Yes. Jews and Christians as well. eom grossproffit Jan 2015 #53

So everyone says, I'd like to see some that reach that level of disrespect n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #56

You mean other than masturbating nuns and condom-wearing popes? (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #84

Yeah, well whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #88

It's usually at about the sophistication level of Southpark, which also isn't my bag (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #90

There are a lot of magazines that are offensive to a lot of folks, but nothing justifies murder. still_one Jan 2015 #9

It's not appealing or funny to me, and it probably is offensive to devout Muslims. Avalux Jan 2015 #12

explanation: if the Koran were so great, it would stop bullets uhnope Jan 2015 #13

Actual explanation or your apologia? whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #31

wtf? uhnope Jan 2015 #33

My bad if you read the official meaning of the cover whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #36

no idea what you mean by "apologia" uhnope Jan 2015 #37

It seems you're trying to give it the most positive spin you can think of whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #39

I was speculating where the humor might be, as requested by the OP uhnope Jan 2015 #45

I'm curious how old that cover is whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #48

yeah, that's unclear. but terrorism by religious extremists certainly did. nt uhnope Jan 2015 #51

I thought the same thing KansDem Jan 2015 #32

Exactly what I was thinking. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #61

If there is a joke in this cover, I think that may be it. Funny the same way some of the scenes KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #42

Actually the reference is to Egypt Depaysement Jan 2015 #74

Right, and it was in the context of the West breathlessly supporting the protesters Recursion Jan 2015 #94

doubtful, since they're breathlessly pro-american NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #174

Charlie Hebdo is also a lot like Colbert. It promotes left wing positions by satirizing the right. Xithras Jan 2015 #82

they're not a bit left wing. their entire schtick is racism and its equivalents. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #175

Oh for god's sake, THE FRENCH CONSIDER JERRY LEWIS A COMEDY GENIUS!!! MohRokTah Jan 2015 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #16

Why would you feel the need to go off on how "offended" you are by it, right now? Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #18

I had never heard of the magazine before today to be honest. But when I heard it KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #24

You couldnt help it, huh. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #28

You better believe it! zappaman Jan 2015 #47

More like an unwilling coalition, surely...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #58

! zappaman Jan 2015 #60

Jeebus, you are good. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #120

"Operation shocking and awful" in quotes, into the google site search box... SidDithers Jan 2015 #127

That's pretty definitive...PPR'd as "VanGoghRocks," too alcibiades_mystery Jan 2015 #188

There's a "HardTimes99" in there too.. SidDithers Jan 2015 #193

He is. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #131

religious idiots are being satarized. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #55

+1 Depaysement Jan 2015 #92

+1000 nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #101

+10 840high Jan 2015 #133

/thread RedCappedBandit Jan 2015 #184

The OPs point is to blame the victims LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #209

Morsi is being satirized here Depaysement Jan 2015 #77

If this is satire, please explain to me how it's funny MohRokTah Jan 2015 #21

Wow. that is a classic. Where did this ad appear, if you don't mind my KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #34

Hustler. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #38

In Hustler in the 80's. He sued but the Supreme Court ruled against him. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #40

Hustler magazine, sometime in the early 80s IIRC Seeking Serenity Jan 2015 #41

Well, I hate Falwell more than I hate most Muslims, that I'll grant you. And, yeah, I'd KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #57

"Oh well, I'm offended but that's the price we pay for free speech." Seeking Serenity Jan 2015 #70

Wouldn't it be just as offensive if it were a hillbilly Christian holding a Bible? Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #202

Hustler Magazine, November 1983 unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #43

Wow, I had no idea. Thank you for broadening my horizions a bit. I can see I KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #46

Meh. I just lived through the time. unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #75

Yep, they not only debated, they became friends SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #217

I remember that! cwydro Jan 2015 #87

Some religious nutter is butthurt AngryAmish Jan 2015 #27

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #160

the best response is to laugh at it and ridicule the magazine but insecure people won't do that nt msongs Jan 2015 #30

I don't care for it and would not have bought it, but there is freedom of speech. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #44

And they get worse than that CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #54

+++++++ uppityperson Jan 2015 #63

O.K., not "satire" (kudos to your DU French handle, btw). Just "deeply felt"? n/t UTUSN Jan 2015 #62

Many DU'ers support hate speech against "The right people" Scootaloo Jan 2015 #64

I call bullshit on your post. I would feel the same way regardless of what book was being held corkhead Jan 2015 #68

They think Jerry Lewis is funny. I can't imagine that you are trying to rationalize what happened corkhead Jan 2015 #65

Satire encompasses irony, ridicule and exaggeration besides humor hack89 Jan 2015 #66

None of that matters. Daemonaquila Jan 2015 #67

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It looks exactly like a cartoon from Der Stürmer in the Thirties Ken Burch Jan 2015 #69

That's grotesque. Union Scribe Jan 2015 #72

The European and especially French left has a long tradition of anti-clericalism. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #180

It's superb - cruelly accurate but fair satire. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #85

I find the lies on fix news tavernier Jan 2015 #76

You fail to mention that they ran that cover AFTER "jihadists" firebombed their offices. Xithras Jan 2015 #78

Colbert Report eh? Lets not. Solindsey Jan 2015 #105

Do you know what else he made fun of? babylonsister Jan 2015 #79

... SidDithers Jan 2015 #81

So is that 33% hate speech? Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #96

Thread winner. Game over. Thanks to everyone for playing. Next topic? nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #200

Much cleverer than seems at first glance. Cleita Jan 2015 #204

The French sense of humor doesn't always make sense to Americans Recursion Jan 2015 #86

But the penalty for hate speech still isn't being gunned down in your office wickerwoman Jan 2015 #93

I don't find it especially amusing, myself. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #103

It strikes me as bullying behavior -- like throwing Korans in the toilet starroute Jan 2015 #104

"We in the West have turned Islam into some big scary bugaboo." brentspeak Jan 2015 #112

I think I hear Hitler firing up the Zamboni. You and I agree on something. Get your skates!!! nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #121

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You have articulated exactly feelings I had but was unable to articulate clearly to myself. If it KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #114

wow. Excellent points! liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #136

The title is "Killing in Egypt" and is in fact attacking both the military government and MB. Mass Jan 2015 #106

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #167

The OP has been informed of the facts a few but has refused to reply. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #212

Why haven't you responded to posts 197, 106, 74, or 161? Four DUers accurately Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #213

The French haven't forgotten one of the reasons to overthrow the monarchy was the Church. freshwest Jan 2015 #107

Yeah, it does not look funny treestar Jan 2015 #115

I take John Stuart Mill's line (in "On Liberty") that the best cure for KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #118

Yeah, it may not be hate speech as such treestar Jan 2015 #123

What about all the "art" defacing crucifixes and the like? 7962 Jan 2015 #116

Memories grow dim with the passage of time. But, IIRC, Andres Serrano's KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #135

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #165

Assuming it is hate speech, so what? It is still protected speech (at least in the US) nt kelly1mm Jan 2015 #117

The "So What?' has to do, I think, with who exactly is being mourned and why. If those who died KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #124

Can they not be both? Many here HATE that the ACLU defended the KKK's right to march kelly1mm Jan 2015 #130

I'm a long-time "card-carrying member of the ACLU" (to use a standard RW canard), so I KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #140

Is Piss Christ hate speech? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #119

No, it wasn't. jberryhill Jan 2015 #139

Do the same thing with Muhammad joeglow3 Jan 2015 #143

Not really getting the point are you? jberryhill Jan 2015 #144

Catholic Church disagrees with your analysis. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #149

I think you should look at my other comments upthread jberryhill Jan 2015 #150

In my experience, lazy artists resort to piss and shit to shock people to garner attention joeglow3 Jan 2015 #152

I thought you had asked a question jberryhill Jan 2015 #155

You asked me a question and I responded to it. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #183

Don't know much about that one do you... jberryhill Jan 2015 #186

I think you have very accurate views of both this work and Piss Christ Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #196

Your initial question was "Is Piss Christ hate speech" jberryhill Jan 2015 #203

And to that end, I agree with you. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #210

Using humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, prayin4rain Jan 2015 #122

Yes. Thank you. I can. Spread the word. nt babylonsister Jan 2015 #129

Yes, exactly. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #187

The French thought Jerry Lewis was hilarious. Cleita Jan 2015 #132

When that cover justifies murder please let me know. dilby Jan 2015 #141

You obviously chose not to mention the anti Jewish & Christian Charlie Hebdo covers!!??!! SkyDaddy7 Jan 2015 #142

Come now, SkyDaddy. LAGC Jan 2015 #148

It doesn't look like humor, that's for sure. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #151

Satire is not always supposed to be funny ...hahahaha MindMover Jan 2015 #153

should people be murdered for this? MFM008 Jan 2015 #154

That "nazi propaganda crap" as you call it... jberryhill Jan 2015 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #166

The article was about the Egyptian Govt smashing down the muslim brotherhood. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #161

It satirizes: Islam is a religion of peace Quantess Jan 2015 #163

it's saying mohammed's followers are killing the profit they claim to follow. pansypoo53219 Jan 2015 #168

the Cartoon is about Egypt's Al Sisi Attacks on Muslim Brotherhood JI7 Jan 2015 #176

It's not. It's bullying. Jappleseed Jan 2015 #177

I figured victim blaming get the red out Jan 2015 #178

I heard a commentator say yesterday deutsey Jan 2015 #179

Ridicule is a form of satire. Humor is not a necessary ingredient. Scuba Jan 2015 #181

the fact that they go after all religions makes a difference Enrique Jan 2015 #182

I don't think it's 'funny' and do believe many people would be hurt by it, polly7 Jan 2015 #185

blame-the-victim mentality is alive and well at DU, apparently TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #189

That is still a Western interpretation of satire that we insist on imposing on the rest of the world randome Jan 2015 #190

nonsense TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #191

I agree that France is the West. And the 3 gunmen chose to live in a multicultural nation. randome Jan 2015 #192

it's a conflict not a conundrum TheSarcastinator Jan 2015 #194

Yes, it was. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #199

The definition of satire is broader than you suspect FBaggins Jan 2015 #195

You fail to translate the title of the cover 'Slaughter In Egypt'. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #197

look up "satire" RussBLib Jan 2015 #198

See post #81. Thread over. Next? nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #201

They went after everyone, including Christians. Now what? Did you want them to make an exception Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2015 #211

The original thread post states religion can't be ridiculed. Albertoo Jan 2015 #214

Why haven't you responded to posts 197, 106, 74, or 161? Four DUers accurately Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #215

I find it highly offensive and insulting. Satire arthritisR_US Jan 2015 #216

Well, it's certainly not to MY tastes, but.... Adrahil Jan 2015 #220