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Solindsey

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47. Other people will.

Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:36 AM

Jan 2015

Propaganda spreads, whether I buy or not.

I'm sure those nice peaceful Jews who went about their day didn't buy those leaflets or newspapers with those vile cartoons and depictions that reflected the air of anti-semitism all around. It's not like these anti-Islam cartoons just happened out of nowhere and their impact not clearly felt by those they aim to demonize and those they aim to raise up and validate. The National Front is probably buying a shitload of copies as we speak.

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Insulting Muhammad is not hate speech [View all] Kurska Jan 2015 OP

how and what the insult is, it could be hate speech. but not a license to murder. uppityperson Jan 2015 #1

I can't think of any insult against Mohammed that would qualify as hate speech. Xithras Jan 2015 #8

take any hate lingo and substitute words about M and followers and viola. Problem is uppityperson Jan 2015 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jan 2015 #67

Edited to say thank you for self deleting. uppityperson Jan 2015 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jan 2015 #74

trying to write more on the thread title, I used an initial and you go off on me uppityperson Jan 2015 #79

Maybe he just didn't want to write the whole word. Your response is all out of proportion to NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jan 2015 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #82

jcoath, excuse me for using an initial in a title uppityperson Jan 2015 #88

Why are Muslims beyond criticism? CanonRay Jan 2015 #150

Where did I say any of what you say I did? Reading comprehension failure on your part. uppityperson Jan 2015 #167

But isn't all hate speech opinion? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #17

Mohammed WAS a pedophile with mental problems. Xithras Jan 2015 #22

I'm not religious but I'm betting there's pedophiles in the bible as well Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #27

You don't have to be religious to know about the pedophiles protected by the papacy... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #33

"I'm betting there's pedophiles in the bible as well" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #41

How old was the Virgin Mary? jberryhill Jan 2015 #53

Lot empregnated his daughters AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #59

I'm talking about common traditions, not the text jberryhill Jan 2015 #63

Yeah, back then AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #175

That wasn't a sexual act. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #142

I thought "sex" had something to do with how organisms reproduce... jberryhill Jan 2015 #182

We're talking about the Creator of the universe who spoke the world and all creatures into being. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #189

So was Jehovah jberryhill Jan 2015 #55

Sure, as long as you don't count the Annunciation MFrohike Jan 2015 #70

The Bible didn't make her underage - Christians did jberryhill Jan 2015 #72

Oh? MFrohike Jan 2015 #76

Okay, so let's close the loop on this jberryhill Jan 2015 #87

Yeesh MFrohike Jan 2015 #98

You do understand the point of "age of consent" laws, yes? jberryhill Jan 2015 #99

heh MFrohike Jan 2015 #104

joseph smith also married a 14 year old. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #113

Bull. bravenak Jan 2015 #157

He was more than that. He married a 14 year old. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #159

And he married other people's wives. bravenak Jan 2015 #164

and a 14 year old virgin who didn't want to marry him -- and it's modern history, not more NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #168

I know. bravenak Jan 2015 #169

EVEN if it was... VScott Jan 2015 #2

Right DavidDvorkin Jan 2015 #50

Correct Shoulders of Giants Jan 2015 #3

Exactly right. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #4

Hate Speech is all around us every day FreakinDJ Jan 2015 #5

Agree. nt cwydro Jan 2015 #6

Take a look at the cartoons CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #7

I have Kurska Jan 2015 #9

Then I assume you have not seen the worst of them CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #15

What double standard do you seem to think I have? Kurska Jan 2015 #16

You're attempting to frame this to suit your specious argument CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #23

You mean like this? Kurska Jan 2015 #28

No, not like that CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #60

Does it have their prophet in elephant shit or in a jar of piss? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #39

I am not shocked by "shocking" art CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #61

So, there would not have been outrage if Muhammed was substituted in this "art"? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #66

Oh, I'm sure immersing the Koran or an image of Muhammed in urine would have been just fine, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #145

That wasn't even the point of the work jberryhill Jan 2015 #64

Do you think they do? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #65

They do it whenever I check in on them, yes? jberryhill Jan 2015 #69

So you truly believe he is drinking blood. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #80

Is the doctrine of transubstantion no longer a thing? jberryhill Jan 2015 #84

I asked you your opinion and you said you believe it is blood joeglow3 Jan 2015 #85

Okay, so the Christians believe they are drinking blood then jberryhill Jan 2015 #90

They do? I thought they believed it was a nice Cabernet, supposed to "symbolize" or something..? nt MADem Jan 2015 #183

You'd have to link that treestar Jan 2015 #46

yup and yup. thank you. uppityperson Jan 2015 #14

+1000 YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #162

DU rec... SidDithers Jan 2015 #10

Brilliant MohRokTah Jan 2015 #20

He does some really good stuff. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #62

So then Charlie Hebdo, itself, is politically correct. closeupready Jan 2015 #11

not so much fuss over that one, indeed. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #161

Yes - I've posted that question three times; accused others of double standards twice. closeupready Jan 2015 #172

inconvenient truth NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #177

Here I'll answer it. Kurska Jan 2015 #181

Worshippers of Jesus are actually worshipping Loki's penis. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #13

Here, let me show you something Kurska... Scootaloo Jan 2015 #18

Only one problem, the drawing you posted is contextual and about the killings by the military Mass Jan 2015 #19

the al sisi govt against muslim brotherhood ? JI7 Jan 2015 #26

Yes. It is fuzzy on the picture, but says " tueries in Egypte". Mass Jan 2015 #29

Calling the Torah or Quran shit isn't hate speech. Kurska Jan 2015 #21

You have such an obvious double standard. closeupready Jan 2015 #24

What is my double standard? Kurska Jan 2015 #25

It would be interesting to see, but I would not hope an answer. Mass Jan 2015 #35

Okay I must confess Kurska Jan 2015 #42

I don't think Zoroastrians, who are a persecuted minority in Iran, would appreciate MADem Jan 2015 #49

"why you feel a NEED to do so? " Kurska Jan 2015 #51

You got the name of the faith wrong, and you called their founder "Big Daddy Z." MADem Jan 2015 #58

You know what I'll be honest Kurska Jan 2015 #78

This is not grammar school. MADem Jan 2015 #184

I refuse to treat religion as is if has to be dealt with as if it is a delicate flower. Kurska Jan 2015 #185

Yes, yes, of course, everyone understands that you have the "right" to MADem Jan 2015 #186

People were just murdered for engaging in that right. Kurska Jan 2015 #187

I don't think you can compare your snarky little comments to their work in any way, shape or form. MADem Jan 2015 #188

"Double standard" Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Jan 2015 #30

self deleted, you aren't worth it. nt uppityperson Jan 2015 #31

Oh come on don't hold back Kurska Jan 2015 #32

But putting a crucifix in piss or shit is art, right? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #44

yes it is. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #143

Yeah, it is not a scream for relevancy and attention at all. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #149

Because they're american and live in a majority christian country? NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #163

Exactly. It is a cry for attention and not an expression of anything. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #173

I'd say it's a way of making their 'art' stand out from the pack. and given there are NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #174

Decried but no response of mass murder, so no hypocrisy. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #45

Charlie's next risque Holocaust Cover Solindsey Jan 2015 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Mass Jan 2015 #37

So don't read or buy it. Bonx Jan 2015 #43

Other people will. Solindsey Jan 2015 #47

So the cartoons should be illegal ? Bonx Jan 2015 #48

It's Hate Speech and Anti-Islam Propaganda Solindsey Jan 2015 #52

I get that you think that, but, should the cartoons be illegal ? Bonx Jan 2015 #57

"The increase in hate crimes against Muslims is not a big ol' coincidence either." NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #166

+100 NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #165

Let's assume it was hate speech. So what? Hate speech is protected speech. (in the US)nt kelly1mm Jan 2015 #36

dead people and religions can't be insulted nt msongs Jan 2015 #38

I don't agree that anyone is saying or thinking that treestar Jan 2015 #40

I'm interested to know why every cartoon of a guy in a turban TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #54

Comment on your last paragraph. Religion is a choice, gender and race are not. freshwest Jan 2015 #102

so what if it's a choice - and for most people it isn't TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #160

There are constitutional bans on atheists holding office in several states Fumesucker Jan 2015 #190

how is it not hate speech just because some states might TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #191

I said it wasn't "considered" hate speech and it's not Fumesucker Jan 2015 #192

No excuse for murdering the cartoonist, but it is hate speech. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #56

Not even CLOSE to equivalent.... Adrahil Jan 2015 #146

Yup. And one man's "hate speech" is another man's brilliant satire dissentient Jan 2015 #68

Um, what? MFrohike Jan 2015 #71

I don't see anyone struggling with that concept. I see people trying not to blame one billion sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #77

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"ALL of Islam" is extremist terrorist fundamentalists? Liberty, EQUALITY, Fraternity uppityperson Jan 2015 #86

All and everyone statements never make it. And Liberty, Equality and Fraternity is beautiful. freshwest Jan 2015 #103

"hate speech" is a meaningless concept. Or at least so wildly subjective that it might as well be. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #83

No it has a perfectly defined objective definition Kurska Jan 2015 #89

Exactly. And once everyone agrees that The Grateful Dead are the best band of all time, period, Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #91

But Warren my favorite band is an Indie rock group called Cursive Kurska Jan 2015 #92

Hmmm, Name sounds familiar Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #137

Isn't the term bigotry rather than hate speech? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #93

You can be bigoted against people who practice religions Kurska Jan 2015 #94

We're pretty much on the same page... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #95

Same hope you've been having a wonderful time Kurska Jan 2015 #97

Regardless of what we think, a lot of people ecstatic Jan 2015 #96

I guess the question really is "where is the line" Marrah_G Jan 2015 #136

It's not hate speech to make fun of any fundamentalist nuts. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #100

how about atheist fundies? NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #171

You're right. WhiteAndNerdy Jan 2015 #101

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I'm a gay Jew Kurska Jan 2015 #106

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Did you just imply that all Jews (at least gay Jews) are white? Kurska Jan 2015 #111

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Jews come in ALL hues. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #116

I am denying all Jews are white, which is what you implied Kurska Jan 2015 #119

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You're being incredibly dense here, so let me spell it out Kurska Jan 2015 #124

The poster doesn't think Jews are an oppressed minority. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #112

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Or looking at hate crimes against Straights and comparing them to gays. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #118

Jews have a several thousand year long history of oppression. Kurska Jan 2015 #120

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So you're saying that today in America Jews are not an oppressed group? Kurska Jan 2015 #125

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Are gays? Cause I'm one of those. Kurska Jan 2015 #129

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Oh boy Kurska Jan 2015 #132

And that now PPR'd poster now conveniently disproved his own point that Jews are not an oppressed stevenleser Jan 2015 #153

It is hate speech. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #107

Do you think the speech they engaged in should be illegal? n/t Kurska Jan 2015 #109

i think the misconception comes because people think if it's hate speech, it must be NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #126

You posted that article and highlighted the areas about what makes it illegal Kurska Jan 2015 #130

Crickets eom Kurska Jan 2015 #179

Then it is time to remove religion (not believers) from hate speech protection Albertoo Jan 2015 #114

"you seem to think that that mere statement of fact constitutes hate speech" NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #122

you obviously did not read/understand my answer Albertoo Jan 2015 #133

I both read and understood it, and indeed, quoted it. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #134

people who feel the need to insult the intelligence of others? Albertoo Jan 2015 #135

France has hate speech laws, Charlie Hedbo was sued under them and the case was decided strongly Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #152

Well do the same thing to the jewish community here and see how it goes. Jappleseed Jan 2015 #138

Insult Moses or Abraham? Kurska Jan 2015 #139

Then have at it. Jappleseed Jan 2015 #140

Here's a favorite oberliner Jan 2015 #141

here's a better one shaayecanaan Jan 2015 #147

Please link me to the wealth of DU posts insulting moses and abraham. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #170

They were actually about to go bankrupt Kurska Jan 2015 #178

Moses was a murderous misogynist. Says so right in the big book of fairy tales. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #144

Oh no, you've run afoul of the secret DU Judeo-Christian Cabal Kurska Jan 2015 #180

Here's Christian Bale on Moses, he just played Moses in a big movie... Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #148

I think hate speech is defined by the viewer/reader/listener. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #151

I cannot believe this thread has this many responses. Coventina Jan 2015 #154

Seems so simple. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #156

There is a remarkable double standard MosheFeingold Jan 2015 #158

I find it helpful to view all religions with an equal amount of disdain. LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #176