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In reply to the discussion: Great cartoon: Burka vs Bikini - symbols of male-dominated cultures [View all]Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)112. "As for doing things to please your partner, that was exactly my point...
you are doing things to please someone other than yourself, thanks for agreeing with me. I leave the why up to you.
Because Love does not seek its own. Are you capable of understanding the difference between a gift and a transaction or meeting-an-expectation versus just-for-the-hell-of-it?
How should I treat the person I love? With spite and selfish indifference?
And as weird as this may sound to you: Yes, there is a significant sexual component to our relationship. Some might think simply because I'm a married woman I'm little more than a captive sex slave drone but they would be wrong -- stupidly, stupidly wrong.
You are probably too young to remember all of the studies done back in the '60's and early '70's about why women wear mini skirts and bikinis but you could probably find some information by doing a web search.
Get off your condescending high horse already. Your posts are seeping with paternalism. I know why I do what I do and those are my own reasons. Studies from a half century ago do not trump my free will and I'm not in denial (though I'm sure many would leap at such a declaration as proof of being in denial). I know me better than you know no matter how smart you've convinced yourself you may be.
You think a burka it too much and others think a bikini is too little.
If you can't even get the nature of my statements correct you aren't qualified to comment on them. Neither I nor anyone else here is claiming the full body dress is too much. Go back and try it again. You won't even have to do a web search.
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That doesn't mean women who don't starve themselves yet choose to wear what they want
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#31
"But there is little reason to believe that they wear them for their own pleasure."
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#43
"This idea that western women dress for men is just stupid. We're not mindless morons."
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#53
If; but not. I'm confident with my body image but I could never be mistaken for
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#60
"As for doing things to please your partner, that was exactly my point...
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#112
"You still refuse to say you wear a bikini because you feel comfortable in it"
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#116
You are right. I DID wear bikinis for my own pleasure and physical comfort.
raging moderate
Feb 28
#129
So, what this cartoon is saying is: Since Western women choose to wear bikinis they --
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#5
The other woman in the cartoon is also western, and also choosing to wear her niqaab
Recursion
Dec 2014
#86
an interesting perspective, I will have to think on this but k&r for interesting thought
uppityperson
Dec 2014
#8
As a matter of law she doesn't have to wear it. As a matter of her culture/religion, she does
onenote
Dec 2014
#91
The cartoon is not about clothing but about the two women not seeing each other as agents
Recursion
Dec 2014
#103
I've said it for years: Western men want their women naked; Middle Eastern men, completely covered.
WinkyDink
Dec 2014
#13
I was alluding to the expression about "Molly O'Grady and the Captain's Lady...." And in any
WinkyDink
Jan 2015
#117
I would characterize that as one of the more grossly unfair statements recently posted on DU
Orrex
Jan 2015
#113
I guess the Pop culture I've observed and the one you've observed differ. (You DID see the OP?)
WinkyDink
Jan 2015
#118
Where in the West are women beaten with wands by religious zealots for not wearing a bikini?
Throd
Dec 2014
#20
Both women in the cartoon are in the USA. Neither " have to" wear what they are wearirng
Recursion
Dec 2014
#89
Yeah, no one is going to throw stones at me, or imprison me, for NOT wearing a bikini
Matariki
Dec 2014
#45
In one culture a woman can choose to wear a Bikini, Burka or anything in between.
dilby
Dec 2014
#47
this is stupid, and why the comparison of what someone wears at the beach to everyday
JI7
Dec 2014
#51
False equivalency seems to be popular in politics these days. The GOP gets away with it a lot.
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#55
Covering is objectification. They are instructed to be covered to avoid tempting men.
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#61
This is absurd - when bikinis become mandatory, then you'll have an equivalence. N.T.
Donald Ian Rankin
Dec 2014
#71
It shows that objectification of women exists in both cultures though it is much more harshly
pampango
Dec 2014
#82
I think the point here is choice. If you could choose it would not matter.
Agnosticsherbet
Dec 2014
#80
Interesting how wrong most of the replies are -- the two women are in the same country
Recursion
Dec 2014
#83
Cartoonists take liberties with locations all the time. I didn't think they were in the same country
riderinthestorm
Dec 2014
#109