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hifiguy

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11. The one teeny, tiny difference being
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 07:43 PM
Dec 2014

that Western women are not forced into bikinis against their will by religulous assholes who see themselves "promoting virtue."

A really, rilly awful analogy. Unrec.

the bikini is freely chosen by women - also, while not on the beach samsingh Dec 2014 #1
the bikini is freely chosen by women - also, while not on the beach samsingh Dec 2014 #1
Perhaps it's not the comparison, but the idea Ron Green Dec 2014 #4
What idea could that possibly be? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #24
Tell that to those of us who have suffered with anorexia, or bulimia, truedelphi Dec 2014 #27
That doesn't mean women who don't starve themselves yet choose to wear what they want Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #31
No not for wearing them, but why they wear them. Huge difference. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2014 #33
And why is that, according to your theory? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #34
They wear them to impress other people. A Simple Game Dec 2014 #40
"But there is little reason to believe that they wear them for their own pleasure." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #43
Agree. polly7 Dec 2014 #52
"This idea that western women dress for men is just stupid. We're not mindless morons." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #53
If your husband is beaming primarily prayin4rain Dec 2014 #57
If; but not. I'm confident with my body image but I could never be mistaken for Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #60
I wore my bikini because it worked best for vigorous swimming. raging moderate Feb 27 #126
You don't understand my reference to extremes? A Simple Game Jan 2015 #111
"As for doing things to please your partner, that was exactly my point... Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #112
You know why you do what you do but fail to see why burkas are worn. A Simple Game Jan 2015 #115
"You still refuse to say you wear a bikini because you feel comfortable in it" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #116
I wore my bikini because I was more comfortable in it while swimming. raging moderate Feb 27 #127
You are right. I DID wear bikinis for my own pleasure and physical comfort. raging moderate Feb 28 #129
totally wrong. samsingh Dec 2014 #46
that's what i took from it samsingh Dec 2014 #44
The idea that neither woman sees the other as making her own choice (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #105
It can be interpreted differently neutralperson Mar 2023 #121
I agree usernmae1693np Saturday #131
Disagree usernmae1693np Saturday #130
Only thin women though treestar Dec 2014 #42
social pressure also is for a heavy man not to wear a speedo onenote Dec 2014 #90
Bad analogy. peabody Dec 2014 #3
At the beach my wife and I go to women wear or don't upaloopa Dec 2014 #6
...^ that 840high Dec 2014 #35
I don't think you are getting the point neutralperson Mar 2023 #122
Check the date on this thread and the posts you're answering. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2023 #123
Burka can be a choice too asdfjk1234 Feb 27 #124
So, what this cartoon is saying is: Since Western women choose to wear bikinis they -- Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #5
+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #25
The other woman in the cartoon is also western, and also choosing to wear her niqaab Recursion Dec 2014 #86
"The two are in the same country," Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #101
Yes, in western nations Recursion Dec 2014 #104
This reminds me of a conversation CJCRANE Dec 2014 #7
Brazil has a whole different level of bikini than we do here in the US. Ace Rothstein Dec 2014 #28
an interesting perspective, I will have to think on this but k&r for interesting thought uppityperson Dec 2014 #8
So women in the USA HAVE to wear Bikinis? Wow, I thought they got to decide. nt Logical Dec 2014 #9
Both women in the cartoon are in the USA Recursion Dec 2014 #87
As a matter of law she doesn't have to wear it. As a matter of her culture/religion, she does onenote Dec 2014 #91
Really? Recursion Dec 2014 #95
Sexy is bad. Slut shaming is good. ZX86 Dec 2014 #10
The one teeny, tiny difference being hifiguy Dec 2014 #11
Neither woman in the cartoon is forced to wear what she is wearing Recursion Dec 2014 #88
Women ARE forced to wear burkas and hijabs hifiguy Dec 2014 #92
Saudi Arabia is a horrible country, and irrelevant to the cartoon Recursion Dec 2014 #93
What a dishonest false analogy. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #12
The cartoon is not about clothing but about the two women not seeing each other as agents Recursion Dec 2014 #103
Yes, but feelings are not reality. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #108
I've said it for years: Western men want their women naked; Middle Eastern men, completely covered. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #13
Western men may want that, but they have nothing to say about what we wear. MoonRiver Dec 2014 #23
Geez you've been wrong for years. upaloopa Dec 2014 #77
I was alluding to the expression about "Molly O'Grady and the Captain's Lady...." And in any WinkyDink Jan 2015 #117
I would characterize that as one of the more grossly unfair statements recently posted on DU Orrex Jan 2015 #113
I guess the Pop culture I've observed and the one you've observed differ. (You DID see the OP?) WinkyDink Jan 2015 #118
I would def choose the bikini (nt) bigwillq Dec 2014 #14
pretty deep madokie Dec 2014 #15
I don't think there is a "western standard of beauty." joshcryer Dec 2014 #16
Women are not forced to wear bikinis davidn3600 Dec 2014 #17
Do women get abducted, arrested and viciously beaten for wearing bikinis? Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #18
No. They/we get beaten and raped because they are women . 1WorldHope Feb 27 #128
Not sure which is worse? Seriously? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #19
Where in the West are women beaten with wands by religious zealots for not wearing a bikini? Throd Dec 2014 #20
Hmm, proudly claiming my sexuality or shrouded and disappeared? riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #21
Plus, men don't exactly wear long sleeves at the beach either. arcane1 Dec 2014 #26
I swim laps every day at my community pool. riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #30
I don't have to wear a bikini. cwydro Dec 2014 #22
Both women in the cartoon are in the USA. Neither " have to" wear what they are wearirng Recursion Dec 2014 #89
In the tiny nation of Butan, the only nation that has a truedelphi Dec 2014 #29
Yeah. Having access to information is worse than being stoned to death. nt alphafemale Dec 2014 #50
oddly enuff many men wear bikinis but Ive never seen ONE man wear a burka AND msongs Dec 2014 #32
The Bikini is now being forced upon women? EEO Dec 2014 #36
You can't win an argument ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #37
sunbathing braddy Dec 2014 #38
That's the stupidest goddamn thing I've ever seen. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2014 #39
Where is this, Ferenginar? n/t eggplant Dec 2014 #41
Yeah, no one is going to throw stones at me, or imprison me, for NOT wearing a bikini Matariki Dec 2014 #45
In one culture a woman can choose to wear a Bikini, Burka or anything in between. dilby Dec 2014 #47
And you fell for the trap: they're both in the same country Recursion Dec 2014 #84
and as often as you repeat it, you miss the point onenote Dec 2014 #96
How many niqaab wearing women do you actually know? Recursion Dec 2014 #97
You'd lose that bet. onenote Dec 2014 #106
Ask one of them what *she* thinks about bikinis Recursion Dec 2014 #107
I find that as relevant as what Clarence Thomas thinks re: A.A. Issues stevenleser Dec 2014 #110
Hmm 1step Dec 2014 #48
Not this dumb argument again. Quantess Dec 2014 #49
this is stupid, and why the comparison of what someone wears at the beach to everyday JI7 Dec 2014 #51
what an incredible load of crap - stupid ignorant comparion. samsingh Dec 2014 #54
False equivalency seems to be popular in politics these days. The GOP gets away with it a lot. stevenleser Dec 2014 #55
Objectified or Covered prayin4rain Dec 2014 #56
The false equivalency is what is ridiculous. stevenleser Dec 2014 #58
They are instructed by their faith prayin4rain Dec 2014 #59
"Instructed by their faith?" How does that even make sense? SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #73
I, personally, am not a person of a particular faith. prayin4rain Dec 2014 #74
Yeah, like I said... indoctrinated. And Nuns choose to be Nuns... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #75
Many nuns do anyway, many don't. prayin4rain Dec 2014 #76
"In the case of bikinis, there are speedos for men." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #62
LMAO, my eyes! I'm blind! stevenleser Dec 2014 #63
Pony Mind Bleach! hifiguy Dec 2014 #70
I've certainly heard basically that argument verbatim from women who cover Recursion Dec 2014 #100
Covering is objectification. They are instructed to be covered to avoid tempting men. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #61
That's the western interpretation. Many of them prayin4rain Dec 2014 #64
"The many implications that they were is dishonest." Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #65
Just, uuugghhhhhh. n/t prayin4rain Dec 2014 #66
Oops. Didn't see your link before I posted hifiguy Dec 2014 #68
Fear of being stoned to death is not "modesty." n/t meaculpa2011 Dec 2014 #81
Read this and get back to me. hifiguy Dec 2014 #67
He did a few minutes before you posted GummyBearz Dec 2014 #69
This is absurd - when bikinis become mandatory, then you'll have an equivalence. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #71
I understand the cartoon's point and the objections. uppityperson Dec 2014 #72
Pampango, why do you think this is a "great" cartoon? riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #78
It shows that objectification of women exists in both cultures though it is much more harshly pampango Dec 2014 #82
ok. Then we completely disagree. riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #94
I know several hijab-wearing women who think that about swimwear, FWIW (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #85
Slaves of fashion. But, at least neither are obliged to wear hats. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #79
I think the point here is choice. If you could choose it would not matter. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #80
Interesting how wrong most of the replies are -- the two women are in the same country Recursion Dec 2014 #83
Why do you assume that? riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #98
They're physically passing each other on the sidewalk Recursion Dec 2014 #99
Cartoonists take liberties with locations all the time. I didn't think they were in the same country riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #109
I can't view it from my workplace computer--is it an unaltered photograph? Orrex Jan 2015 #114
We shouldn't judge other cultures without fully examining our own. dawg Dec 2014 #102
Insightful manganmar Dec 2022 #119
Yes? And? Wait for it ... NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2022 #120
either or asdfjk1234 Feb 27 #125
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