I just learned where the CIA got the term "enhanced interrogation."

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41. The OSS snapped up all the high-level Nazis they could find

at the end of the war, and it wasn't to put them on trial; it was to learn from them and their methods. So did Soviet military intelligence. These supposedly "ex" Nazis had a profound effect on the development of the New Fascist Security State that is now being openly displayed, though it has been in the oven for 60 years.

They can' be stopped at this point.

The New Fascism is going to have to come and go of its own accord. There's no way to stop it anymore as both political parties are in total thrall to the New Fascist/tenth-percent elite. The propaganda machines are too big, too sophisticated and too well-funded to be stopped and a significant plurality of the populace is possessed of critical thinking abilities that make the proverbial bag of hammers look like Einstein.

The last 35 years have seen this country intentionally dumbed down to a degree I would never have thought possible back in the 1970s. Stupid people are much easier to control. The propaganda machine, which includes the cretinous fundy "churches," has conquered all that has come before it. Politicians that have, for the last 35 years, been bought and paid for by the tenth-percenters and emerging New Fascists, serve only the masters that pay them, and that is true for BOTH parties.

TPTB learned long ago, and took special note of a certain period in 20th century German history, how a easily even a well-educated mass populace can be manipulated. But Goebbels didn't try to make the German people DUMBER. His mistake was not repeated by our oligarchs, whose first project was to make as many people as dumb as possible. Sheeple are very easy to control and can easily be convinced to vote against their own interests.

The New Fascists want a populace that is just barely smart enough to make the machines work and fill out the forms, but are nowhere near smart enough to think critically and ask questions such as "just who the fuck put us in this handcart and why is it getting so hot?"

Obama let the banksters go scot-free and will do nothing to prosecute torturers even though he is under a non-dischargeable legal duty to do so and is reifying War Now War Forever in the Middle East..He is complicit in all the crimes of the past 35 years because he has done nothing to punish those responsible and has actively pursued the same policies. The last six years have shown that the system is now wholly under the control of the New Fascists and it is NOT going to change anytime soon - probably not in the lifetime of anyone here on DU.

It will take a planetary catastrophe to topple The New Fascism, but that catastrophe WILL come as surely as the sun rises in the east. Asteroid strike, nuclear exchange, climate-related world disaster - something of that nature will be needed to clear the boards and make it possible to examine the possibility of a humane and sustainable society based on principles of democratic socialism.