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HereSince1628

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56. 'justified' self-defense resulted from the cop's fear of being beaten to death with it.

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 08:40 AM

Dec 2014

I do think a person could be beaten to death with a baton.

But, it was bad policing that created that crisis.

And bad policing is why the cop was fired over the incident.

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“It may out-Ferguson Ferguson”: Why Milwaukee’s police violence will horrify you [View all] Scuba Dec 2014 OP

For anyone interested... dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #1

Who d'ya know leads the nation in proportion of black men incarcerated? HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #2

I'm waiting for the folks who usually come around telling us that all cops aren't bad... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #3

It took one minute, see responses... NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #30

Yeah, a lot are worse than bad. nt MrScorpio Dec 2014 #31

The problem is that the good ones are defending the bad. They should be screaming to rid the force o PeaceNikki Dec 2014 #32

the system is set up for the good ones to fail at being good or at minimum be unable to do uppityperson Dec 2014 #37

The older fatter cops are not bad. Most of the educated detectives are not bad. LiberalArkie Dec 2014 #59

Is it correct to say he was unarmed? madville Dec 2014 #4

The loss of the baton happened halfway through the incident HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #5

The union is appealing his termination madville Dec 2014 #7

It certainly raises questions of who gets the privilege of claiming self-defence HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #10

Indeed! L0oniX Dec 2014 #19

Since no gun shot residue was found on Hamilton's clothing Quasimodem Dec 2014 #74

Yes, but I wonder if reality based, physical evidence matters when HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #76

Since Hamilton was the one being threatened, he had a right to try to defend himself. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #51

Makes me wonder about the training these people are receiving Bettie Dec 2014 #14

I think they shoot until there is no movement, but an important thing to consider HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #16

It's called tachy psyche ...and all LEO know about it. L0oniX Dec 2014 #20

I'm not sure about that...tachy means fast, the perception of time slowing follows HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #22

Google is your friend. L0oniX Dec 2014 #44

Generally this response is considered to 'speed' the brain under the influence of epinephrine HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #47

Dead people can't testify, you see n/t Scootaloo Dec 2014 #64

Unfortunately, that seems to be one of the reasons Bettie Dec 2014 #65

Since when can you shoot someone with a baton, anyway??? ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #55

'justified' self-defense resulted from the cop's fear of being beaten to death with it. HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #56

"Could be" isnt good enough imo. ncjustice80 Dec 2014 #57

A poor mentally ill man died because he spoiled the view from a Starbucks. HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #58

14 shots??? Why not fire 1 or 2 and see how things are going at that point? These cops..... Logical Dec 2014 #6

The cop explained that in very Darren Wilson like language HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #8

OK, thanks for that. nt Logical Dec 2014 #9

Wow, used to be they told us "he was on PCP and it gave him superhuman strength" SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #38

I have a theory that there is an understanding among cops that the only things worse than a bad GoneFishin Dec 2014 #11

I think that is a good theory. "Dead Men Tell No Tales". nt Logical Dec 2014 #12

Yup... truebrit71 Dec 2014 #27

that would assume NJCher Dec 2014 #15

Because cynzke Dec 2014 #29

DH and I grew up in Wisconsin Bettie Dec 2014 #13

I lived in Milwaukee a couple of years in the 70's Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #25

I grew up during the Harold Breier years. Archae Dec 2014 #26

My uncle was a Milwaukee cop, the father of my childhood BF was a Milwaukee cop, PeaceNikki Dec 2014 #33

I did as well 40 years ago - TBF Dec 2014 #45

DH grew up in Markesan Bettie Dec 2014 #53

Yes, I know that area well - TBF Dec 2014 #54

sign of the times heaven05 Dec 2014 #17

talk radio blowhard m. savage calls for plumbers w/pipes to deal w/protestors certainot Dec 2014 #18

I'd love to see this coward heaven05 Dec 2014 #36

The comments on local news sites echo this violent bravado bullshit PeaceNikki Dec 2014 #39

Albuquerque police are finally under federal watchdogs duhneece Dec 2014 #21

Here further evidence that should be considered....BUT cynzke Dec 2014 #46

Here are a few outstanding moments in Milwaukee Police history: Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #23

Thanks, Jackpine, for adding this . Scuba Dec 2014 #41

Shocking, but cynzke Dec 2014 #24

No, they can't sue the officer. jeff47 Dec 2014 #63

WRONG! cynzke Dec 2014 #67

Only if their actions are ruled outside their normal duties. jeff47 Dec 2014 #68

A homeless schizophrenic, sleeping rough, w/no medication? Divernan Dec 2014 #34

And Milwaukee County has Scott Walker to thank for massive cuts in services PeaceNikki Dec 2014 #35

+1,000 Scuba Dec 2014 #40

Shocking article re the callous attitude toward mentally ill by Walker & his staff, and also Divernan Dec 2014 #48

A very valid, solid little essay here. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #42

Thank you Divernan, for adding this valuable piece. Scuba Dec 2014 #43

You're welcome; hope it doesn't trigger the nightmares I had while investigating. Divernan Dec 2014 #49

As he's homeless, probably true. However... WestCoastLib Dec 2014 #50

Michael Vagnini must have had a hella lotta hassle about his last name in school. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #52

K/R marmar Dec 2014 #60

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #61

Cops are absolutely corrupt and out of control. This has been in the making for awhile now. Why? blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #62

Have you seen this, Scuba? PeaceNikki Dec 2014 #66

In 1998 I had a friend tell me about his relative who was a Milwaukee cop. indivisibleman Dec 2014 #69

As a juror, TxVietVet Dec 2014 #71

Milwaukee is one of the most segregated communities in the US. TxVietVet Dec 2014 #70

Sadly accurate. Scuba Dec 2014 #72

Well we tried to get the Union people out to vote against Walker warrant46 Dec 2014 #73

This really does need viewing 1step Dec 2014 #75