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54. with all due respect, what one might be told by a guide at Auschwitz

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Mon Apr 23, 2012, 08:58 AM

Apr 2012

is not authoritative. There is a mass of evidence contradicting what you were told.

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Do you believe the civil disobedience methods of Gandhi and MLK would have worked against Hitler? [View all] ZombieHorde Apr 2012 OP

No, only physical power. elleng Apr 2012 #1

Agreed Rittermeister Apr 2012 #2

No, Sir, They Would Not The Magistrate Apr 2012 #3

No. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #4

our own regime slaughters innocents & few people make peep one. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #81

Comparing our "regime" to the ones listed is cliffordu Apr 2012 #85

i didn't make any comparison. i said our own regime slaughters innocents & has all through its HiPointDem Apr 2012 #87

Exactly. We have never really cared too much about the powerful Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #89

unless, of course, the weak are puppies and the 'powerful' are their owners. then there will be HiPointDem Apr 2012 #91

Oh, of course, as always puppies, kittehs, and pretty blond girls are excluded... Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #96

no because the overwhemling majority of german christians loved hitler. he was NOT like the brits in msongs Apr 2012 #5

Are you talking about Germans themselves or the international community? RZM Apr 2012 #6

No. steve2470 Apr 2012 #7

In some respect that might have worked Joe Shlabotnik Apr 2012 #33

I think Ghandi and MLK would win chollybocker Apr 2012 #8

LOL n/t RZM Apr 2012 #19

Those in his inner circle were sadistic and ruthless. lpbk2713 Apr 2012 #9

This was a different situation. Cleita Apr 2012 #10

No. The more brutal the regime, the more brutal are the methods required to overthrow it Kaleva Apr 2012 #11

Interesting assessment RZM Apr 2012 #20

Yes, but many many people would have died. roody Apr 2012 #12

Depends on how many people participated, but under certain circumstances it could work Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #13

no JI7 Apr 2012 #14

No way, the SS would have ended them before they got started. MrSlayer Apr 2012 #15

Hitler or the people who gave him power? lunasun Apr 2012 #16

No, the protesters would have all been shot instantly. limpyhobbler Apr 2012 #17

no. marasinghe Apr 2012 #18

A few tried - White Rose Society - they were executed. leveymg Apr 2012 #21

There was a short story written Yupster Apr 2012 #22

I read that short story. lunatica Apr 2012 #42

"The Last Article", by Harry Turtledove. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #69

I think the best approach Permanut Apr 2012 #23

Well, we know for sure civil obedience did not work. nt EFerrari Apr 2012 #24

Thank you. mahina Apr 2012 #30

No, they would not have worked Kennah Apr 2012 #25

Given that Gandhi said the Jews should have committed mass suicide.... Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #26

Yes, I read somewhere that Ghandi said that no more would have died if we had never gone to war. jwirr Apr 2012 #64

I believe Bashar Al Assad is a great example of being shot for demonstrating peacefully. Selatius Apr 2012 #27

Who do you propose would be committing CD against Hitler? The German coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #28

They did work against Hitler, in one case. mahina Apr 2012 #29

Not exactly accurate. The free school teachers and students, and others, jtuck004 Apr 2012 #82

I guess it depends on your definition of nonviolent resistance. mahina Apr 2012 #95

I think sometimes people become enamored of a tactic and forget the goal, which can lead to jtuck004 Apr 2012 #103

word mahina Apr 2012 #105

Albert Einstein Institution, Gene Sharp, 198 Methods of Nonviolent Resistance mahina Apr 2012 #31

It's really worth watching. DVD's are in many libraries, though not available on Netflix. mahina Apr 2012 #32

Why are you asking a stupid question you already know the answer to? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2012 #34

Three words: The White Rose cali Apr 2012 #35

On a side note: I think MLK and Ghandi succeeded *because* of a credible threat of violence. redgreenandblue Apr 2012 #36

A leader must fear what the world thinks or that his rep will be distroyed before it can work. jwirr Apr 2012 #67

Is this a thinly veiled attempt to drum up support for another "peacekeeping invasion"? redgreenandblue Apr 2012 #37

While true in one sense, the problem with your argument is that Hitler wasnt even Hitler at first. stevenleser Apr 2012 #71

The closest thing to Hitler's Poland invasion during the last decades was the invasion of Iraq. redgreenandblue Apr 2012 #99

Since you didn't address any of my points, I won't address yours. nt stevenleser Apr 2012 #102

Do you believe that intelligent negotiations at Versailles at the end of WWI ... Jim__ Apr 2012 #38

I am with you on this one. The negotiations left Germany with nothing to fall back on. They were jwirr Apr 2012 #68

No Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #39

It is a question of timing quaker bill Apr 2012 #40

Their method of dealing with dissent was to kill everyone, not just one or two lunatica Apr 2012 #41

Nope. Have to be a semi decent society for those tactics to work. CBGLuthier Apr 2012 #43

Yes, I do. If nobody had cooperated with Hitler closeupready Apr 2012 #44

except many people in Germany and outside of it, DID cooperate with Hitler cali Apr 2012 #45

Many Germans who cooperated did not know closeupready Apr 2012 #47

uh, so what? they all knew he was a war mongerer. they all fucking knew about the cali Apr 2012 #49

If you don't tone down your disrespect, I'm going to put you on ignore. closeupready Apr 2012 #52

LOL snooper2 Apr 2012 #63

Have you read Daniel Goldhagen's "Hitler's Willing Executioners"? If not, coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #93

And actually, I've been to Auschwitz, and one of the closeupready Apr 2012 #46

oh please. most European Jews, by the time the death camps were in full operation cali Apr 2012 #50

Then you should write the Auschwitz museum's caretakers, closeupready Apr 2012 #51

with all due respect, what one might be told by a guide at Auschwitz cali Apr 2012 #54

I'll concede that there are likely different views. closeupready Apr 2012 #60

Cooperation might make things easier, but lack of cooperation wouldn't necessarily stop the crime 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #78

True, but think about the numbers involved in the Holocaust. closeupready Apr 2012 #79

Negative to google degree. YellowRubberDuckie Apr 2012 #48

Or guillotined or hung with piano wire. cali Apr 2012 #56

Ghandi might agree: GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #53

Maybe, the world didn't know during the Olympic games that Germany was toxic. Peaceful ... uponit7771 Apr 2012 #55

the Nuremberg laws were passed in 1935. cali Apr 2012 #57

Hitler Was Regarded As The Champion Of Anti-Communism, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2012 #58

Who are you suggesting would have committed civil disobedience? Recursion Apr 2012 #59

Obviously, we'll never know, but boxman15 Apr 2012 #61

It depends on timing. sudopod Apr 2012 #62

excellent observation. cali Apr 2012 #66

I wonder if you are right about the 20s. ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #73

I'm afraid you're right n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #65

Civil disobedience requires a free press and something like an adherence to the law 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #70

Like many others, I think it depends on a regimes fear of world opinion and their appetite for death stevenleser Apr 2012 #72

The point of civil disobedience is not that you use it instead of an army EFerrari Apr 2012 #74

Your last sentence is exactly right. closeupready Apr 2012 #75

What civil disobedience and when? struggle4progress Apr 2012 #76

If I can flip that over, Would 'Dancing with the Stars' have worked against Ghandi? KurtNYC Apr 2012 #77

nope. hitler & gandhi's methods only work when there's a gov't that feels it needs to respond HiPointDem Apr 2012 #80

Nonviolent resistance only works when Freddie Stubbs Apr 2012 #83

I don't know, it seemed to work well enough in the final days of the old Soviet Union. LAGC Apr 2012 #106

perhaps early yes dembotoz Apr 2012 #84

No, only military disobedience. tabasco Apr 2012 #86

this comes to mind.... spanone Apr 2012 #88

It didn't. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #90

Nope datasuspect Apr 2012 #92

There's an alternate history story that follows this Old Troop Apr 2012 #94

"The Last Article", by Harry Turtledove. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #104

no arely staircase Apr 2012 #97

Non-violence/civil disobedience undergroundpanther Apr 2012 #98

What he said. lonestarnot Apr 2012 #100

Nope bermudat Apr 2012 #101

Hard to tell. Most of the population were "good Germans" when the opportunity first appeared. mmonk Apr 2012 #107