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Luminous Animal

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120. Check out my posts #115 and #117. Also, I think you will find this interesting.

Fri Dec 19, 2014, 06:46 PM

Dec 2014

The ACLU defended Hale's efforts to obtain a law license in IL.

Aclu Sides With Supremacist On Right To Obtain Law License

White supremacist Matthew Hale's bid to practice law in Illinois has received a boost from the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois, which has filed a legal brief in support of Hale's petition to obtain a law license.

In a legal motion accepted Monday by the state Supreme Court, the ACLU argues that denying Hale a law license on the basis of racist beliefs is a violation of his 1st Amendment rights.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-08-12/news/9908120284_1_law-license-aclu-first-time-hale

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Greenwald: CHENEY SHOULD BE IN PRISON, Not On 'Meet The Press' [View all] Segami Dec 2014 OP

Since Glenn is such a fantastic lawyer, I think he should file a federal citizen's complaint msanthrope Dec 2014 #1

Sounds like you are the one who should give that a try. JEB Dec 2014 #2

Not to mention the fact that Greenwald is now a Journalist, no longer practicing law, sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #8

But Glenn has legal experience with torture victims....when the Nazi group he was representing msanthrope Dec 2014 #10

Oh jeez Hissyspit Dec 2014 #147

So he's wrong about Cheney being a war criminal who belongs in the dock at the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #5

He's Glenn Greenwald, so he has to be wrong. Iggo Dec 2014 #7

I know. Torturers are given a pass when it comes to journalists saying sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #12

No--GG is right. Cheney belongs in jail. I think GG could put him there, as his prior legal msanthrope Dec 2014 #13

Greenwaqld IS helping to put him there! He is doing HIS job as a journalist sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #21

You are appropriately named n/t whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #118

Misanthrope, not msanthrope. I've always thought the misspelling hilarious (and revealing) nt riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #134

Why don't you volunteer your talents to help Greenwald? Octafish Dec 2014 #14

I don't work with Neo Nazi civil lawsuit defenders. msanthrope Dec 2014 #17

"Neo Nazi civil lawsuit defenders"... ReRe Dec 2014 #59

He was the civil attorney for the National Alliance and Matt Hale. He may call himself msanthrope Dec 2014 #69

In your view, Defense Attorneys commit crimes by defending unpopular clients? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #80

Um...the Nazi IP case wasn't a 6th amendment case. 1) It was an IP case. msanthrope Dec 2014 #85

So there is no right to a CIVIL DEFENSE if you are unpopular? Where is this sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #91

oh lordy....look, if GG wants to voluntarily defend the money interests of Nazi's, and you want to msanthrope Dec 2014 #95

So you were just making stuff up. I knew that, you have done it before, but sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #97

Check out my posts #115 and #117. Also, I think you will find this interesting. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #120

Thank I will check out your posts. I did ask if the poster felt the same way sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #128

Here you go (and the earliest association I can find between Greenwald and Hale) Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #117

Stop introducing facts here! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #129

If your personal injury caseload isn't too heavy, you should give it a shot. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2014 #16

I don't do PI. I do criminal defense. Unlike GG, I've never defended a torturer, and then claimed msanthrope Dec 2014 #18

Greenwald did not 'defend a torturer' which you have been told many times here. Why are you sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #22

So Greenwald was lying when he wrote about his pro bono work for The National Alliance? msanthrope Dec 2014 #25

You must hate the Civil Liberties Union then? Greenwald was a CL attorney sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #47

Kindly tell us the civil liberty that was protected in the Nazi trademark case? nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #50

Kindly tell US when an 'accused' is not entitled to a defense? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #52

You do know there's a difference between an 'accused' in a criminal trial and a 'defendant' in a msanthrope Dec 2014 #60

Kindly explain to us when an accused in ANY case, Civil or Criminal, is not entitled to sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #62

Well, I can't make you read the Constitution, sabrina. But you tell me where it says in there that msanthrope Dec 2014 #64

And I can't make you explain why any accused has no right to a defense even though sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #76

John Adams was a criminal defense attorney, as am I. GG chose to defend the money interests of msanthrope Dec 2014 #79

Wait, so now you're saying that SOME clients are not entitled to a CIVIL DEFENSE? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #81

As I noted below, you seem to be conflating civil and criminal procedure. That is unfortunate, msanthrope Dec 2014 #83

I don't blame you for trying to avoid answering a direct and simple question sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #87

You know, you've been making that accusation for quite a while. It is time to back it up... Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #115

And no response to your well researched facts. Smear campaigns are no supposed to sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #142

She also had trouble addressing the facts presented in this Greenwald bashing thread a few days ago. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #146

Hey...some of us have jobs and kids....if I take a break for a couple of hours msanthrope Dec 2014 #150

Todd Reardon is the appellate attorney. Greenwald was the original litigator, and in fact msanthrope Dec 2014 #148

You still haven't presented any evidence that Greenwald was the attorney on the copyright infringement lawsuit. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #152

Look LA....I get that you are still upset with me over the last time you demanded msanthrope Dec 2014 #159

You never upset me. You amuse me. I hope all your opponents are stupid. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #161

Okay....I thank you for proving to us all that GG helped Matt Hale's white supremacist msanthrope Dec 2014 #162

Okay. I apologize. Cough it up. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #177

Why don't you just provide your evidence instead of trying to avoid sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #165

Results... Major Nikon Dec 2014 #171

Thank you...I appreciate it. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #189

And none of that is relevant to your attempt to smear an attorney for sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #164

They will say anything choie Dec 2014 #89

I know. But to even try to smear an attorney for doing his job sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #96

Agreed choie Dec 2014 #111

Indeed Your Question Was Never Answered Joe Worker Dec 2014 #130

Thank you, it isn't the first time this particular smear has been introduced by sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #132

now, now.... grasswire Dec 2014 #57

I'm a world class actress starring in an exciting sequel to a popular Autumn Dec 2014 #116

Meh Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #124

passive-aggressive nonsense. Autumn Dec 2014 #131

Yes, and? nt Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #137

And. n/t Autumn Dec 2014 #140

Some Greenwald haters are clearly not familiar with the Streisand Effect Electric Monk Dec 2014 #145

This person you're defending is Marr Dec 2014 #169

What a load. Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #174

Deny the obvious all you like. Marr Dec 2014 #176

Don't care. Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #179

That is the most despicable thing about these false allegations, Marr. Greenwald has addressed sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #180

I'd apply your premise to any lawyer who believes they are good LanternWaste Dec 2014 #90

Indeed. Any lawyer could do this. I will not. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #93

So you don't support our system of justice? You would not do what Greenwald sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #98

Obama Covered Up For Cheney billhicks76 Dec 2014 #112

Yes, it appears the way the system works is that Republicans commit the crimes sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #167

Those Democrats Get Rewarded billhicks76 Dec 2014 #172

It would be a better world JEB Dec 2014 #3

"crickets" from the Glenn Greenwald haters and Obama supporters. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #4

No 'hater' here, but what are you looking for? Posts with 'Ditto' as the only cogent reply? randome Dec 2014 #6

Absolutely....he should be, if we lived in a just and right world. GG's had experience msanthrope Dec 2014 #11

So long as there are people who will try to defend the reasons why he is not in prison sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #15

No need to 'defend' anyone. Political reality takes that decision out of our hands. randome Dec 2014 #26

Well put. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #31

What 'political reality' are you talking about? We DO have laws don't we? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #51

I call it the audacity of certainty. He is certain that he knows what the political reality is rhett o rick Dec 2014 #68

I agree, it's interesting though, because they oppose all the people and sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #99

I am 'claiming' that Obama is not a monster. He is not out to destroy our way of life. randome Dec 2014 #113

We have laws in this country. If someone isn't up to allowing justice to take its sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #123

Great post, sabrina 1 Thespian2 Dec 2014 #43

Thank you, I think that is what will happen eventually, as America declines sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #106

Absolutely not--Cheney should be in jail. It's just that some of recall the time GG msanthrope Dec 2014 #19

I just want to note how gross it is for a lawyer to use that particular attack Marr Dec 2014 #32

Really? We aren't talking about criminal defense, where a lawyer is called on by the Constitution msanthrope Dec 2014 #35

No, YOU are condemning all Civil Liberties attorneys who have defended sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #54

GG didn't defend any liberties. Otherwise, you would be able to state what he defended. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #58

Greenwald defended a client. Please tell us why defending a client sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #63

He chose to defend the money interest of Nazis. He gets to live with the criticism. msanthrope Dec 2014 #65

Again, you seem to have a problem naming the civil liberty GG defended in behalf of the Nazis in msanthrope Dec 2014 #67

You've played this game before and it didn't work. I'm asking YOU under what sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #71

I've answered all your questions--you won't answer one of mine? What civil liberty was GG defending msanthrope Dec 2014 #74

The right to a defense!! You seriously don't get that?? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #77

Are you saying GG was a court appointed lawyer? You seem to be conflating criminal and civil msanthrope Dec 2014 #82

So he did nothing wrong, in fact he had the courage to uphold the Constitutional Rights sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #84

Oh--I think it's very wrong to defend the money interests of Nazis. For example, I think msanthrope Dec 2014 #86

Iow, you do not believe in the work of the ACLU or any other Civil Liberties sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #135

I won't climb in the mud with you on this, sorry-- but since I'm back for a post, I might Marr Dec 2014 #88

Obviously self-hating and a Nazi lover. Probably abuses all those rescue dogs, too. deurbano Dec 2014 #151

that took my breath away grasswire Dec 2014 #153

It is despicable, isn't it? I know that Greenwald's Right Wing enemies, and he has sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #103

It is. Marr Dec 2014 #110

Yes, and no matter how often this vile smear has been debunked on this site sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #139

Cheney should be in jail and I support Obama. Sorry to disappoint your "crickets" great white snark Dec 2014 #23

What I am reading here is that any Defense Attorney who does his/her job sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #24

How about "Anyone who defends murderers should not talk publicly about murderers." ? randome Dec 2014 #27

Wait! Did you really say that with a straight face? Let's see, you are a defense attorney sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #45

Conservatives hate defense attorneys because defense attorneys rhett o rick Dec 2014 #70

Conservatives hate us until they need to stay out of jail. Then they love us. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #75

So, have you kept any undesirables out of jail? You are attacking a defense attorney sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #126

Um...Greenwald has never been a criminal defense attorney. He's a litigator. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #149

I asked about YOUR clients. You are attacking a lawyer for defending sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #166

I represent the liberty interests of the dregs of humanity. I 've never stooped to working on Wall msanthrope Dec 2014 #168

You mean you try to defend the accused and keep them out of jail? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #170

I put that too stridently, obviously. randome Dec 2014 #121

Are you saying that only the indigent bad guys (that would be those who have sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #127

They're wrapping themselves up in pretzels neverforget Dec 2014 #138

Yes, and it's shameful imo, that any democrat would try to push this unconstitutional sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #143

So since you are an Obama supporter you support his policy toward torturers? truebluegreen Dec 2014 #125

Obama Pelosi and Holder Joe Worker Dec 2014 #141

Not really. They came to this thread...to bash Greenwald instead of Cheney Doctor_J Dec 2014 #158

Oddities, to be sure. nt truebluegreen Dec 2014 #160

Ditto... WillyT Dec 2014 #9

Greenwald is of course correct, and his detractors will of course criticize him and not Cheney Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #20

Of course GG is correct. He's also, at the same time, a hypocrite. He had no problem being the msanthrope Dec 2014 #29

You seem to have missed my point. People who have sat by while or taken part in political criticism Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #122

Yikes! (On that thread.) Hadn't seen it before. deurbano Dec 2014 #40

I remember that thread very well. It was a disgusting thread sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #61

Yes, I do remember that smear campaign revelation. I was following Greenwald on Salon back then. deurbano Dec 2014 #102

Very good post, thank you. I am glad your son got to meet him as I think sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #104

I think this is the first time I've said/written this, War Horse Dec 2014 #28

That's what would happen in a country with "liberty and justice for all." polichick Dec 2014 #30

That's a goal, not a reality. And I say that as an officer of the court. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #33

Looks like it's not even a goal for our "leaders." polichick Dec 2014 #34

I think it is. But I think reality--and the limits of practicality--intrude. I think blaming msanthrope Dec 2014 #42

Actions speak louder than words. polichick Dec 2014 #44

True--which is why the Executive Order on Torture was deafening. Which is why the Executive Order msanthrope Dec 2014 #48

And yet, "looking forward" does not uphold the law with regard to Cheney & Co. polichick Dec 2014 #53

Political reality will always trump the law. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #66

We're either a "nation of laws" or we're not - if we're not, politicians should stfu... polichick Dec 2014 #72

No more and no less than bumper-stickers will always trump actual wisdom. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #94

Only for as long as there are enablers of the criminals, and/or messenger attackers. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #101

Political reality will always trump the law. What a disgusting statement. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2014 #155

One Party Rule jalan48 Dec 2014 #36

"Resolution" music video (torture) johnnyreb Dec 2014 #37

Figure out how to get Cheney put in jail for his transgressions against America ladjf Dec 2014 #38

I've been disappointed since inauguration day that Cheney wasn't handcuffed to his wheelchair and tclambert Dec 2014 #41

Jeez, I'd forgotten that. He showed up in a wheelchair so he wouldn't have to stand & show respect. Demit Dec 2014 #56

He needed the wheelchair. He still had the DC Press Corp shoved so far up his ass he couldn't walk. msanthrope Dec 2014 #92

cute Demit Dec 2014 #105

The power lies with the Deep State and they like Cheney. Presidents do what they can rhett o rick Dec 2014 #73

Here is the beef polynomial Dec 2014 #46

don't forget the Bushes and their Carlyle Group. nt grasswire Dec 2014 #55

Off to Greatest Threads with You! Derek V Dec 2014 #49

If those that have the power and MORAL OBLIGATION... 99Forever Dec 2014 #78

If almost anyone else had said this, no argument would have erupted LittleBlue Dec 2014 #100

+ 1000 nt riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #144

You're wrong, anyone who said what Greenwald said would have elicited the same sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #163

100% true. and he had no remorse whatsoever...doubled down...would do it again. spanone Dec 2014 #107

My prediction is Cheney will serve time in prison around the time that Putin or cstanleytech Dec 2014 #108

Kick! BeanMusical Dec 2014 #109

DC is deeply corrupted. They're not going to prosecute their own. Ain't gonna happen! blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #114

The war criminal of a Dick and the entire Bush Senior Administration malaise Dec 2014 #119

The original sin of the Obama Administration... PatrickforO Dec 2014 #133

yep, but you can likely find a GG hater who'll attack him and his prior cases stupidicus Dec 2014 #136

"'What I did was absolutely right,'" Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #154

an unmarked grave is more like it d_b Dec 2014 #156

But greenwald is gay and has boxes in his garage Doctor_J Dec 2014 #157

I hope Cheney reads DU. He will see this OP on the FP. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #173

One day a mad urologist is going to see that cancer and remove him, just out of reflex. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #175

It makes obama complicit, does it not? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #178

I would agree with Greenwald if he would stop treating every fucking subject True Blue Door Dec 2014 #181

Whose is responsible for prosecuting Cheney? Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #182

Eric Holder. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #183

Who is Eric Holder's boss. The DOJ is and executive branch department. Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #184

As far as prosecutions are concerned, he doesn't have a boss. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #186

I have never once claimed that the President prosecutes people. Either discuss what I am actually Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #187

Huge K&R to this thread, to Greenwald, woo me with science Dec 2014 #185

Hey, Woo. And thank you for for doing all that you do. You've racked up an impressive amount Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #188