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markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
12. I'd be curious to hear ...
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 07:21 PM
Apr 2012

... how you think we liberals can provide "a simple, unambiguous, easy to understand story that makes them feel like they understand the world again." I mean, I agree that we need to be much more aggressive in defining terms and framing the debate, but I just don't really see how we can present our message -- which is, almost by definition, one that deals in complexities -- in the same kind of sound-byte sized morsels that have the kind of visceral appeal that the right's talking points typically have and still be honest about what we are proposing.

Here's an example of what I mean...

Try explaining to one of these fearful, confused types, who has probably never even had a college level economics course, why austerity is the wrong course of action to take in the current downturn. These folks experience is with household budgeting or in some instances, business budgeting, both of which are fairly easy to understand. Intuitively for them, based on their experience, when money is tight, one tightens the belt and cuts back on spending. Indeed, that homespun economic "sense" approaches the status of being almost a law in the economic universe they know. They know it on a really basic, gut level (notwithstanding the fact that, as has been said, "the gut is a moron&quot . They understand there is a major economic downturn, and they understand that tax revenues have fallen as a result. They hear about deficits and the only basis for comparison they have (and which the right drives home every chance it gets) is to their credit card. The problem you run into is that before you can even begin to get them to understand how a government stimulus might help, you first have to get them to understand why a national economy is not at all the same thing as a household or business budget. Then, of course, they'll hear the right wing using Greece as an object lesson, and you have to try to explain the difference between a country that borrows in its own currency versus a country that borrows in an international currency not its own. There's nothing simple about all this, yet it is critical to the kind of preliminary understanding macro-economics necessary to overcome the moronic gut. I just don't see how you get around that.

The GOP can do it because they are willing to reduce every issue to a kind of moralistic dualism, regardless of (and in order to further) the intellectual violence on whatever the issue may be. My point is that understanding the liberal/progressive position on much of anything absolutely demands a sophisticated, complex understanding of whatever that issue happens to be.

But again, maybe you're seeing something I'm not.

With that cartoon, you basically called your cousin an extortionist and a murderer. MADem Apr 2012 #1
"He likely sees himself as a liberator and someone bringing democracy to the coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #27
You do realize you basically shit all over his service, right? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2012 #2
OMG, I didn't realize it WOULD cause offense! Odin2005 Apr 2012 #5
Respecting the military? Rittermeister Apr 2012 #20
Am unfamiliar with your quote, but respectfully disagree Mc Mike Apr 2012 #25
Oh snap. The boy is an adult and one way or another redgreenandblue Apr 2012 #22
That was the early accusation but it really didn't turn out that way. dkf Apr 2012 #3
I think the war fucked with his head. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #4
I'm sure it did.....war does that..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2012 #6
I feel bad that we did that to him. dkf Apr 2012 #8
I didn't do it to him. redgreenandblue Apr 2012 #23
You and me. I even talked to my rep about the dkf Apr 2012 #24
Well when you get rightwing radio and Fox News Network what do you expect? southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #7
First bad taste of a toon nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #9
"the evidence that Exxon and Shell and the rest did take the oil is not that easy to prove.... zappaman Apr 2012 #15
The definitive book on the hydrocarbon industry in the recent past has yet to be written. ellisonz Apr 2012 #29
Teabaggers give people a simple story they can believe in. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #10
I'd be curious to hear ... markpkessinger Apr 2012 #12
I just love asumptions nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #13
Ya got me ;) markpkessinger Apr 2012 #17
When we offer them the truth, they get offended. That's politics. saras Apr 2012 #11
Went from lurker to poster... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #14
Welcome to DU nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #16
Welcome to DU--I like your user name! nt MADem Apr 2012 #21
Sorry to hear this. Dawson Leery Apr 2012 #18
There is no bubble like the military bubble. ieoeja Apr 2012 #26
That is a bad cartoon. We TRIED to take their oil but failed. banned from Kos Apr 2012 #19
" Any Exxon contract Iraq signed they did on their own volition." ellisonz Apr 2012 #28
I didn't know you can turn into a teabagger... snooper2 Apr 2012 #30
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