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Ichingcarpenter

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22. My take is... he did... but like I said

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 08:58 AM

Dec 2014

he's a master wordsmith and I can see how some would say he did not though I do not agree....since there is no accountability.

he said it the way he did on purpose.

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Obama DID call torturers patriots. Deal with it. NT [View all] grahamhgreen Dec 2014 OP

Really Grahm I didn't read it that way Kalidurga Dec 2014 #1

Point out where he made the distinction between those who tortured and those who didn't. You can't Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #3

I think it's implied in the paragraph breaks Kalidurga Dec 2014 #5

Read it as you will; what matters most Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #27

He actually had his fingers crossed while saying it Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #37

This was vocalized. Paragraphs and sentence breaks were added after the fact. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #80

What is it important for us "not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect" about? deurbano Dec 2014 #9

Here ya go. brush Dec 2014 #28

I love this meme, that many in the CIA objected, protested, and left their jobs. Demit Dec 2014 #63

You are trying to rewrite a speech. Unfortunately you can not fix what he said. robinlynne Dec 2014 #98

it says "a lot of those folks" not all Motown_Johnny Dec 2014 #32

NOT ALL TORTURERS ARE SODOMIZERS OF YOUNG BOYS Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #38

"doing that job" RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #70

I didn't notice that last sentence before: 'one of the first things I did was to sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #114

You are exactly correct. JEB Dec 2014 #132

So he's simply going out of his way to praise normal job-doers? And also feels the need to mix such WinkyDink Dec 2014 #96

It does, and worse. He said don't be sanctimonious about it. robinlynne Dec 2014 #97

If they're not patriots, then, what are they? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #119

^ nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #2

No, he did not. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #4

Then what is the excuse not prosecuting someone who tortured innocent people? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #110

You are determined to misread the quote. Ask yourself why, and deal with it. nt Hekate Dec 2014 #6

LOL, You are determined to misread the quote. Ask yourself why, and deal with it. nt Logical Dec 2014 #81

that is certainly the way I read it DrDan Dec 2014 #7

Rape billhicks76 Dec 2014 #11

It also didn't include anyone sent out of the country for "rendition".. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #91

No, he did not. lovemydog Dec 2014 #8

No he didnt but even if he did call them patriots so what? cstanleytech Dec 2014 #10

One difference: In 1776 slavery was legal. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #93

Legal doesnt = right thing to do. nt cstanleytech Dec 2014 #105

He's a wordsmith master Ichingcarpenter Dec 2014 #12

Exactly.... sendero Dec 2014 #16

My take is... he did... but like I said Ichingcarpenter Dec 2014 #22

As Oprah said: 'you're a patriot' Ichingcarpenter Dec 2014 #25

lol Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #101

Excellent post. Rec LittleBlue Dec 2014 #72

Reminds me of the Ministry of Truth... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #107

Clearly the dog whistle he was using, let torture proponents know that grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #121

Of course he did. woo me with science Dec 2014 #13

So what!! All American "patriots" were terrorists by the definition we have now. Ask GB. kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #14

"I understand why it happened." pretty much tells you the whole story. Bonobo Dec 2014 #15

Best parsing of the 3 paragraphs I've yet read. 'Denial' about captures the response KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #17

+1 Scuba Dec 2014 #18

You mean the "mistakes" they made? robinlynne Dec 2014 #99

I don't give a damn if he did or didn't. It's trivial and irrelevant. 99Forever Dec 2014 #19

So we really are expected to believe he is for torture? treestar Dec 2014 #20

Then why not prosecute? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #23

Because in HIS world, his actions have consequences ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #77

In the real world, failure to prosecute has been a boon for terrorism worldwide. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #79

No it hasn't ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #87

So in your view, there is no reason for laws? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #113

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #124

It's not just a deterrence, it provides rehabilitation for the corrupt mind of the torturers, grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #127

So you think he's in favor of torture, treestar Dec 2014 #90

All torturer should be prosecuted, can we agree? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #122

Amazingly enough, it was with exactly your argument that people became nazis. If you do not robinlynne Dec 2014 #100

Du rec Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #21

He didn't, but the haters gonna hate regardless. eom MohRokTah Dec 2014 #24

yup, it doesn't fit their talking point still_one Dec 2014 #26

Did too! Did too! Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #29

Nice selfie. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #130

? Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #131

Think about what are suggesting. That a sitting president would glorify torturers....lmao! BenzoDia Dec 2014 #30

We agree that President Bush did, yes? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #82

Have a quote where he does? BenzoDia Dec 2014 #104

Do we both agree that Bush was in charge of a regime that anctioned torture? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #112

You have an odd way of thinking. Marr Dec 2014 #118

This is one of the most astonishing denials of black-letter reality I've ever seen. WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #31

Same cognitive dissonance whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #33

And oddly, cognitive dissonance is often used by interrogators to bring their target into the fold. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #109

"A lot of those folks" means "a lot of those torturers" MisterP Dec 2014 #36

Blows my mind. nt Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #75

He wasn't talking about the torturers in your selected quote. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #76

Please. The "entirety" suggests nothing you claim. Why would he feel the need to demand we "not be WinkyDink Dec 2014 #94

He was talking about torturers the entire time. That is the subject. the only subject. torture repor robinlynne Dec 2014 #102

Outstanding point! grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #128

Still finding it necessary ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #88

Of course that is the meme you'd like to press. Sheepshank Dec 2014 #34

So he didn't say the torturers are patriots? LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #39

really Sheepshank Dec 2014 #41

When is Obama going to prosecute those responsible? LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #42

probably after all the screeching of Sheepshank Dec 2014 #43

Awww, poor baby LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #44

that fact that you make up shit and then ask me to read someones mind is pretty idiotic Sheepshank Dec 2014 #45

Poor thing LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #47

provide some proof that no torturer under Obama has ever been prosecuted Sheepshank Dec 2014 #50

You want me to prove a negative?? LMAO LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #52

why are you repeating your idiotic unansweable question...I don't read minds Sheepshank Dec 2014 #56

Easy question LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #61

You changed your question Sheepshank Dec 2014 #64

You poor thing LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #66

Wow, this one is an easy one to answer... Jamastiene Dec 2014 #129

How bout after the screams of the tortured have stopped? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #123

no, he didn't say torturers are patriots Sheepshank Dec 2014 #46

Ah, good. Glad he didn't say torturers were patriots LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #49

so you finally admit he didn't say it Sheepshank Dec 2014 #51

I didn't make a statement, I asked a question LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #54

"Glad he didn't say torturers were patriots" Sheepshank Dec 2014 #57

Easy question LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #60

moving the goalposts...something RW'ers do all the time Sheepshank Dec 2014 #65

Really so hard to answer? LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #67

I guess it really IS too hard for you to answer LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #68

That's not happening because of the great danger of sanctimony JVS Dec 2014 #59

The pom-pom squad LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #62

Why urge people to not be sanctimonious? Deny and Shred Dec 2014 #35

Obama also said torture is against American's values Beringia Dec 2014 #86

Perhaps America has new values Deny and Shred Dec 2014 #92

How odd. OilemFirchen Dec 2014 #40

Your one-line post is obvious trolling. Deal with that. nt True Blue Door Dec 2014 #48

Exactly. nt Andy823 Dec 2014 #58

One line trolling is fun. obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2014 #78

+1,000,000,000,000 eom MohRokTah Dec 2014 #106

He was very careful not to do that JVS Dec 2014 #53

can we get some links? JaneyVee Dec 2014 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #69

The entire excerpt is a justification for torture RedCappedBandit Dec 2014 #71

Well, he certainly didn't call them thugs, monsters, sociopathic criminals, or paid sadists. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #73

Don't bother engaging with the flat earth society. pa28 Dec 2014 #74

He admitted that we (America) broke the law many times. Rex Dec 2014 #83

Exactly-- acknowledging that 'we tortured some folks', and having no legal proceedings Marr Dec 2014 #117

That is the whole point people are trying to make, but others keep pretending Rex Dec 2014 #125

Why would he even do that? Obama is smarter than about anyone on this stupid forum BootinUp Dec 2014 #84

Speak for yourself! WinkyDink Dec 2014 #95

Perhaps he's not smarter than 840high Dec 2014 #103

Why would anyone not prosecute someone who tortured an innocent person? grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #111

Well, he did say it. Marr Dec 2014 #116

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #85

bump..nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #89

Dealing with it, step #1... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #108

People who say the group he labeled 'patriots' was vague are arguing against Obama. Marr Dec 2014 #115

The reason for not prosecuting the torturers is grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #120

And while we debate this Jamie Dimon and others are plotting the annihilation of all but the one NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #126