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JDPriestly

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98. The Democrats of the day disfavored reining in Wall Street.
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 06:45 PM
Dec 2014

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Barack Obama's big problem is that he is too close to the interests of big money in the country, too cowed by the Kochs and the big Republican propaganda machine. If he just called out the corruption and instructed the federal regulatory agencies to enforce law in the business community including environmental and food and drug and telecommunications law and asked Congress to pass laws that supported more regulation of these business sectors, he would be viewed by a lot of people as a hero.

Instead, he for example sponsors the TPP, an agreement so noxious that we ordinary Americans are not allowed to read most of us and does not really fight Congress and that segment of the wealthy people whose greed knows no boundaries.

Roosevelt maintained capitalism. But he increased regulation. And he won majorities in Congress because people realized in part thanks to his rhetoric that they had to choose more regulation and better government.

Both Roosevelts are to be admired. I wish one of them were here today to run for office and make some changes. Corruption is the big problem confronting us. The two Roosevelts understood corruption and were able to deal with it.

Obama's health care program is great, but it does not adequately deal with the corruption in our health insurance sector. We shall see whether the way that it shifted liability for the costs of medical care of the poor can succeed. There are a lot of problems with the ACA although its goal is commendable. I hope it works well.

FDR was a corporatist. His family made their money on Wall Street. MADem Dec 2014 #1
*sigh* He grew up in a family of Republicans. RiverLover Dec 2014 #2
*sigh* most DU'er bleating about the Third Wayer Corporatist Authoritarians would have hated FDR KittyWampus Dec 2014 #7
Classy. Total BS, but whatever. I can't believe this is an argument. RiverLover Dec 2014 #12
I've read some books about that era, FDR was vilified by the far left lovemydog Dec 2014 #13
I've read a book too, and it said the opposite, as does what I find online RiverLover Dec 2014 #14
Read good history books that go into great detail lovemydog Dec 2014 #57
With very few exceptions, the "left" of today in the US bears utterly no similarity to the JDPriestly Dec 2014 #93
We're not talking about what socialists and communists think. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #107
+1 cui bono Dec 2014 #140
Warren VS FDR billhicks76 Dec 2014 #34
Warren did not run for President. lovemydog Dec 2014 #60
Typo billhicks76 Dec 2014 #64
Ah, thanks! lovemydog Dec 2014 #75
I was WONDERING what the hell you were talking about. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #102
Even Eleanor said she'd be inclined to support Wallace if FDR wasn't running nt dflprincess Dec 2014 #149
True Populist billhicks76 Dec 2014 #162
I doubt it. merrily Dec 2014 #124
E Howard Hunt Confession billhicks76 Dec 2014 #147
Hunt never said the CIA has literally controlled every President from LBJ to Obama. merrily Dec 2014 #148
E.Howard Hunt was a notorious liar (in addition to being a criminal) YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #157
Yes He Was billhicks76 Dec 2014 #163
The current administration is not on our side. cui bono Dec 2014 #141
In FDR's time, the "Far Left" was the Communist Party, bvar22 Dec 2014 #145
It still is, unless you believe Third Way and RW bs about the far left being merrily Dec 2014 #151
Post that on a Communist board. Most of America, esp traditional Dems, revered him. merrily Dec 2014 #167
She is honoring him by being truthful about him. pnwmom Dec 2014 #19
THAT is undeserved speculation ... Trajan Dec 2014 #41
That's your story? ROFL merrily Dec 2014 #166
+1 zeemike Dec 2014 #17
"Sigh" I'll just invite you to read my other posts in this thread. MADem Dec 2014 #24
The Democrats of the day disfavored reining in Wall Street. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #98
I've got to say I am a bit sick of this false characterization that he "sponsors the TPP." MADem Dec 2014 #101
We should not have been involved in the negotiation of the TPP. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #106
Half the WORLD is at that table. You're saying we should be isolationists? MADem Dec 2014 #126
Thank you for your post, MADem.. President Obama is the punching bag. .facts be damned. Cha Dec 2014 #125
What FDR said is still "grand." Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #146
Not that bit about those internment camps, or that push back on "integration." MADem Dec 2014 #152
"he wasn't perfect." It's like a virgin hunt... Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #170
What a bizarre allegory. I'll just leave it at that.... nt MADem Dec 2014 #171
"But he wasn't perfect--no one is." chervilant Dec 2014 #177
If people are demanding no criticism against Obama here, they aren't at all successful. MADem Dec 2014 #180
he was always a dem, the only branch in his family that was roguevalley Dec 2014 #110
I agree with what you said dflprincess Dec 2014 #150
And he didn't let that stop him from providing for the people who elected him. In fact sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #3
His own class made a FORTUNE off of WW2, that more than compensated for the taxes they paid in MADem Dec 2014 #18
They're not friends of yours? I was referring to President Obama who when asked about the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #27
He doesn't come over for lunch on Saturday. MADem Dec 2014 #28
Don't ask me those questions, I despise Reagan. Ask Obama why he admired him so much. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #36
+1 Enthusiast Dec 2014 #86
How Do You View Jimmy Carter? billhicks76 Dec 2014 #35
I think he was a guy whose heart was in the right place. MADem Dec 2014 #38
Nice. Thanks. billhicks76 Dec 2014 #44
Here this some good info 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #137
He is another Pres that is getting new make up and lipstick 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #136
That book was written in 1980 and is often quoted by conservatives to tear Carter down. MADem Dec 2014 #138
True on Zinn 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #139
He was flawed in many ways (who isn't?) but his heart was in the right place. MADem Dec 2014 #142
Regardless of who uses the book, the stuff is either accurate or it is not. merrily Dec 2014 #168
FDR did not integrate anything because Party loyalty and "pragmatism" directed those actions. merrily Dec 2014 #132
I doubt you--or anyone here -- would be "meh" -ing if GW Bush tried to pack the court MADem Dec 2014 #153
As long as we're doing hypotheticals, I doubt everyone here would be upset if Obama did it. merrily Dec 2014 #154
He never tried it? It's in the history books! He most certainly "tried" it--otherwise, MADem Dec 2014 #158
As I said twice before, we know he threatened and we know it never happened. All else is merrily Dec 2014 #159
I'm not speculating about anything. If he didn't try it, it wouldn't have been recorded in history MADem Dec 2014 #161
He also integrated the federal workplace JonLP24 Dec 2014 #164
Thanks. I did not know that. Good to know for the next round of FDR bashing! merrily Dec 2014 #165
Who is trying to diminish him? nt pnwmom Dec 2014 #20
Sorry, but it sounds to me sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #4
The reality of FDR is he was chastised by the Far Left and many DU'ers would have called him KittyWampus Dec 2014 #8
I wonder who of all sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #11
+1 Neither do I...well maybe one person. :) RiverLover Dec 2014 #30
Oh, please.... paleotn Dec 2014 #23
link? RiverLover Dec 2014 #29
FDR welcomed the hatred of Wall Street. hifiguy Dec 2014 #67
Yep. That couldn't be any clearer, and well-documented. RiverLover Dec 2014 #71
Well, what you think you hear is a "put down" is simply fact. MADem Dec 2014 #10
FDR's social programs have saved millions of lives. Since then every greedy, Wall St crook has tried sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #37
Where is anyone in this thread declaring "FDR's social programs DID NOT SAVE any lives?" MADem Dec 2014 #42
Never consider the good as the enemy of the perfect. adieu Dec 2014 #15
Who's doing that? Not me. I am a pragmatist. I see the man as he was, warts and all. MADem Dec 2014 #22
Could you please show me where the OP is trying to get us to believe that FDR was perfect? Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #50
Please look at the OP title. MADem Dec 2014 #59
Nope, not at all. hifiguy Dec 2014 #66
I am sorry to tell you that I misjudged your intent, then. MADem Dec 2014 #81
FDR Was The ONLY Reason We Had The Congress For 40 Years... WillyT Dec 2014 #45
And the Civil Rights Act and Nixon's Southern Strategy were the reasons we lost it. MADem Dec 2014 #56
FDR was a damn sight better LiberalElite Dec 2014 #46
If you weren't Japanese or Black, or a Jew in a camp in Europe, certainly. MADem Dec 2014 #53
What use is it LiberalElite Dec 2014 #54
That's the very point! No one can know--it's an exercise in an Unprovable Thesis. nt MADem Dec 2014 #58
My grandfather was a black man born in the late 1800's who was an FDR man TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #74
Lucky him. Not sure who you are accusing of "generaliz(ing) to lie" but that sounds pretty uncivil MADem Dec 2014 #78
If you want to put the shoe on, no one can stop you from wearing it. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #113
I'm not the one insinuating DUers are liars. MADem Dec 2014 #114
Thanks for telling it like it is...or was. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #82
Who, would you say, are the ideological equivalents of Frances Perkins and Henry Wallace MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #51
Those kinds of comparisons are pointless. It's not 1933 and we're not in the midst of a Great MADem Dec 2014 #52
so I guess the answer is "nobody"? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #62
No, Manny. The answer is the one I gave you. MADem Dec 2014 #63
I don't thik you and I have the same definition of "corporatism" Jack Rabbit Dec 2014 #90
He was a member of the club, enjoying the fruits of his family investments. MADem Dec 2014 #91
I think our disagreement is semantic Jack Rabbit Dec 2014 #112
I don't know if that is so, but it is an interesting slant to the conversation. MADem Dec 2014 #115
My mother and I agree about most political topics. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #92
I agree with your point about the rich. MADem Dec 2014 #94
Obama is such a great guy. I really, really like him as a person. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #103
Teddy and Franklin weren't black. MADem Dec 2014 #108
You may be right in some respects, but most of us who criticize Obama do not hate him. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #109
He understands that "living to fight another day" is more important than blowing one's powder all MADem Dec 2014 #116
I thoroughly agree on these points: JDPriestly Dec 2014 #117
I absolutely LOVE a long history book, so long as it's good. MADem Dec 2014 #118
I have the book on Adams but haven't started it yet. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #119
The Adams is like a gourmet meal--delicious! MADem Dec 2014 #121
+1 nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #96
Was this a corporatist? longship Dec 2014 #134
Great speech--one of his finest. MADem Dec 2014 #144
A corporatist hated by The Corporatists, who vilified him to the point than many simply referred to. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #135
Hated by SOME corporatists--the Nazi Right Wing ones, certainly. MADem Dec 2014 #143
Until there is some form of mass Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #5
... RiverLover Dec 2014 #9
Warren was nurtured on the same New Deal Policies that most of my generation benefited from whathehell Dec 2014 #72
You'd probably have called him sell-out & rejected Social Security cause it didn't cover everybody KittyWampus Dec 2014 #6
Really? FDR fully explained his plans for SS AND he had a tendency to ACT FAST on sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #39
"I doubt eg FDR would be pushing the TPP ..." Who knows but he did push for lower tariffs, the IMF, pampango Dec 2014 #48
+ 1 zillion treestar Dec 2014 #95
Let's be clear, FDR was no saint, but he was the man for the times.. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #16
BINGO. Right on the money. MADem Dec 2014 #43
This was my real point. hifiguy Dec 2014 #68
The Democratic Party became a liberal party largely through the "New Deal" policies of FDR RiverLover Dec 2014 #21
+1 merrily Dec 2014 #127
You know who down plays and disparages FDR and hates liberals? Far right Republicans TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #25
"...probably more honest just to call the whole lot Republicans." RiverLover Dec 2014 #33
FDR called socialist by "conservative democrats"~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #26
Conservatives have tried to make liberal a dirty word, but there are those of us who have refused liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #111
FDR is the greatest President America has ever had. JaneyVee Dec 2014 #31
Thank You JaneyVee!!!!!!!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #32
Plus a bajillion! hifiguy Dec 2014 #69
Well some people hate anything that is to the left of Reagan. Rex Dec 2014 #84
I was raised by not FDR Democrats but Franklin and Eleanor Democrats.... Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #40
VERY good point! nt hifiguy Dec 2014 #70
Eleanor was the real "true" Democrat, probably the most "real" Democrat mountain grammy Dec 2014 #73
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #47
K & R L0oniX Dec 2014 #49
Thanks! Recommend. nt Zorra Dec 2014 #55
Obama said something similar early in his term Doctor_J Dec 2014 #61
Maybe he was talking about Social Security jhart3333 Dec 2014 #85
... Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #65
This speech came in the twelfth year of his Presidency. Progressive dog Dec 2014 #76
Can't wait to hear what the current President will tell us in HIS 12th year....! MADem Dec 2014 #80
Before that, he was too busy saving the US while fighting the SCOTUS, Congress, and Hitler and merrily Dec 2014 #130
So now speeches substitute Progressive dog Dec 2014 #174
From my post, you got speeches substitute for results? LOL! merrily Dec 2014 #175
Obama had very small majorities, compared to FDR's Progressive dog Dec 2014 #181
Yes, FDR got the SCOTUS to do what he wanted without packing it. That was the genius of it. merrily Dec 2014 #182
Why do you think FDR had cancer if you Progressive dog Dec 2014 #183
Boy, you really know how to zero in on the most relevant issue. merrily Dec 2014 #184
You made the cancer claim, not me Progressive dog Jan 2015 #186
Um, no merrily Jan 2015 #187
So it's not a cancer claim because you could have meant something else Progressive dog Jan 2015 #188
Whatever, dude. You don't like my replies, don't keep posting to me on a thread from Dec 5, 2014. merrily Jan 2015 #189
My reading comprehension is fine, Progressive dog Jan 2015 #190
Thank you for sharing this hifiguy. A second bill of rights. lovemydog Dec 2014 #77
Sure, in the 1930's. But we can't turn back time BootinUp Dec 2014 #79
LOL! The hard way, my ass. And "we" are not winning. We're losing. Worse than merrily Dec 2014 #131
"Fuck the corporatists and their enablers." Boy you sure pissed off some 'liberals' with those words Rex Dec 2014 #83
Indeed. hifiguy Dec 2014 #99
Sad and funny. Sad that they think our intelligence is that low to buy the BS. Rex Dec 2014 #123
Funny how that happens neverforget Dec 2014 #104
Well they pretended there was a purge, then they pretended everyone here wanted purity. Rex Dec 2014 #122
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #87
It would have, if so many leftists hadn't been banned or didn't give up. As it is, it's over 100. merrily Dec 2014 #128
For me, THIS is what a REAL DEMOCRAT sounds like... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #88
I was a strong Dean supporter early on. hifiguy Dec 2014 #100
Yep. I still remember the gist of Katie Couric's intro to showing the clip at about 7 am merrily Dec 2014 #129
BFEE hates that guy. Octafish Dec 2014 #89
BFEE here, BFEE there, BFEE under the bed, BFEE in my head.... YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #155
Yes. Don't you know, the people who tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 had kids? Octafish Dec 2014 #160
Hear, hear. woo me with science Dec 2014 #97
... RiverLover Dec 2014 #105
More Quotes from this real/true/great PROGRESSIVE Democrat~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #120
Love to see the dude dressed in a tuxedo for the occasion of a radio address, hahaha! beerandjesus Dec 2014 #133
What a silly thread YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #156
For those who don't know why FDR was a Real Democrat... Octafish Dec 2014 #169
The Roosevelt Institute is the Real Deal. hifiguy Dec 2014 #172
It's a mystery known but to UBS. Octafish Dec 2014 #173
"Freedom from fear." woo me with science Dec 2014 #176
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #178
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #179
Unfortunately for us... 99Forever Dec 2014 #185
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