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FDR was a corporatist. His family made their money on Wall Street. MADem Dec 2014 #1
*sigh* He grew up in a family of Republicans. RiverLover Dec 2014 #2
*sigh* most DU'er bleating about the Third Wayer Corporatist Authoritarians would have hated FDR KittyWampus Dec 2014 #7
Classy. Total BS, but whatever. I can't believe this is an argument. RiverLover Dec 2014 #12
I've read some books about that era, FDR was vilified by the far left lovemydog Dec 2014 #13
I've read a book too, and it said the opposite, as does what I find online RiverLover Dec 2014 #14
Read good history books that go into great detail lovemydog Dec 2014 #57
With very few exceptions, the "left" of today in the US bears utterly no similarity to the JDPriestly Dec 2014 #93
We're not talking about what socialists and communists think. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #107
+1 cui bono Dec 2014 #140
Warren VS FDR billhicks76 Dec 2014 #34
Warren did not run for President. lovemydog Dec 2014 #60
Typo billhicks76 Dec 2014 #64
Ah, thanks! lovemydog Dec 2014 #75
I was WONDERING what the hell you were talking about. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #102
Even Eleanor said she'd be inclined to support Wallace if FDR wasn't running nt dflprincess Dec 2014 #149
True Populist billhicks76 Dec 2014 #162
I doubt it. merrily Dec 2014 #124
E Howard Hunt Confession billhicks76 Dec 2014 #147
Hunt never said the CIA has literally controlled every President from LBJ to Obama. merrily Dec 2014 #148
E.Howard Hunt was a notorious liar (in addition to being a criminal) YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #157
Yes He Was billhicks76 Dec 2014 #163
The current administration is not on our side. cui bono Dec 2014 #141
In FDR's time, the "Far Left" was the Communist Party, bvar22 Dec 2014 #145
It still is, unless you believe Third Way and RW bs about the far left being merrily Dec 2014 #151
Post that on a Communist board. Most of America, esp traditional Dems, revered him. merrily Dec 2014 #167
She is honoring him by being truthful about him. pnwmom Dec 2014 #19
THAT is undeserved speculation ... Trajan Dec 2014 #41
That's your story? ROFL merrily Dec 2014 #166
+1 zeemike Dec 2014 #17
"Sigh" I'll just invite you to read my other posts in this thread. MADem Dec 2014 #24
The Democrats of the day disfavored reining in Wall Street. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #98
I've got to say I am a bit sick of this false characterization that he "sponsors the TPP." MADem Dec 2014 #101
We should not have been involved in the negotiation of the TPP. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #106
Half the WORLD is at that table. You're saying we should be isolationists? MADem Dec 2014 #126
Thank you for your post, MADem.. President Obama is the punching bag. .facts be damned. Cha Dec 2014 #125
What FDR said is still "grand." Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #146
Not that bit about those internment camps, or that push back on "integration." MADem Dec 2014 #152
"he wasn't perfect." It's like a virgin hunt... Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #170
What a bizarre allegory. I'll just leave it at that.... nt MADem Dec 2014 #171
"But he wasn't perfect--no one is." chervilant Dec 2014 #177
If people are demanding no criticism against Obama here, they aren't at all successful. MADem Dec 2014 #180
he was always a dem, the only branch in his family that was roguevalley Dec 2014 #110
I agree with what you said dflprincess Dec 2014 #150
And he didn't let that stop him from providing for the people who elected him. In fact sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #3
His own class made a FORTUNE off of WW2, that more than compensated for the taxes they paid in MADem Dec 2014 #18
They're not friends of yours? I was referring to President Obama who when asked about the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #27
He doesn't come over for lunch on Saturday. MADem Dec 2014 #28
Don't ask me those questions, I despise Reagan. Ask Obama why he admired him so much. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #36
+1 Enthusiast Dec 2014 #86
How Do You View Jimmy Carter? billhicks76 Dec 2014 #35
I think he was a guy whose heart was in the right place. MADem Dec 2014 #38
Nice. Thanks. billhicks76 Dec 2014 #44
Here this some good info 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #137
He is another Pres that is getting new make up and lipstick 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #136
That book was written in 1980 and is often quoted by conservatives to tear Carter down. MADem Dec 2014 #138
True on Zinn 4Q2u2 Dec 2014 #139
He was flawed in many ways (who isn't?) but his heart was in the right place. MADem Dec 2014 #142
Regardless of who uses the book, the stuff is either accurate or it is not. merrily Dec 2014 #168
FDR did not integrate anything because Party loyalty and "pragmatism" directed those actions. merrily Dec 2014 #132
I doubt you--or anyone here -- would be "meh" -ing if GW Bush tried to pack the court MADem Dec 2014 #153
As long as we're doing hypotheticals, I doubt everyone here would be upset if Obama did it. merrily Dec 2014 #154
He never tried it? It's in the history books! He most certainly "tried" it--otherwise, MADem Dec 2014 #158
As I said twice before, we know he threatened and we know it never happened. All else is merrily Dec 2014 #159
I'm not speculating about anything. If he didn't try it, it wouldn't have been recorded in history MADem Dec 2014 #161
He also integrated the federal workplace JonLP24 Dec 2014 #164
Thanks. I did not know that. Good to know for the next round of FDR bashing! merrily Dec 2014 #165
Who is trying to diminish him? nt pnwmom Dec 2014 #20
Sorry, but it sounds to me sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #4
The reality of FDR is he was chastised by the Far Left and many DU'ers would have called him KittyWampus Dec 2014 #8
I wonder who of all sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #11
+1 Neither do I...well maybe one person. :) RiverLover Dec 2014 #30
Oh, please.... paleotn Dec 2014 #23
link? RiverLover Dec 2014 #29
FDR welcomed the hatred of Wall Street. hifiguy Dec 2014 #67
Yep. That couldn't be any clearer, and well-documented. RiverLover Dec 2014 #71
Well, what you think you hear is a "put down" is simply fact. MADem Dec 2014 #10
FDR's social programs have saved millions of lives. Since then every greedy, Wall St crook has tried sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #37
Where is anyone in this thread declaring "FDR's social programs DID NOT SAVE any lives?" MADem Dec 2014 #42
Never consider the good as the enemy of the perfect. adieu Dec 2014 #15
Who's doing that? Not me. I am a pragmatist. I see the man as he was, warts and all. MADem Dec 2014 #22
Could you please show me where the OP is trying to get us to believe that FDR was perfect? Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #50
Please look at the OP title. MADem Dec 2014 #59
Nope, not at all. hifiguy Dec 2014 #66
I am sorry to tell you that I misjudged your intent, then. MADem Dec 2014 #81
FDR Was The ONLY Reason We Had The Congress For 40 Years... WillyT Dec 2014 #45
And the Civil Rights Act and Nixon's Southern Strategy were the reasons we lost it. MADem Dec 2014 #56
FDR was a damn sight better LiberalElite Dec 2014 #46
If you weren't Japanese or Black, or a Jew in a camp in Europe, certainly. MADem Dec 2014 #53
What use is it LiberalElite Dec 2014 #54
That's the very point! No one can know--it's an exercise in an Unprovable Thesis. nt MADem Dec 2014 #58
My grandfather was a black man born in the late 1800's who was an FDR man TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #74
Lucky him. Not sure who you are accusing of "generaliz(ing) to lie" but that sounds pretty uncivil MADem Dec 2014 #78
If you want to put the shoe on, no one can stop you from wearing it. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #113
I'm not the one insinuating DUers are liars. MADem Dec 2014 #114
Thanks for telling it like it is...or was. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #82
Who, would you say, are the ideological equivalents of Frances Perkins and Henry Wallace MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #51
Those kinds of comparisons are pointless. It's not 1933 and we're not in the midst of a Great MADem Dec 2014 #52
so I guess the answer is "nobody"? MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #62
No, Manny. The answer is the one I gave you. MADem Dec 2014 #63
I don't thik you and I have the same definition of "corporatism" Jack Rabbit Dec 2014 #90
He was a member of the club, enjoying the fruits of his family investments. MADem Dec 2014 #91
I think our disagreement is semantic Jack Rabbit Dec 2014 #112
I don't know if that is so, but it is an interesting slant to the conversation. MADem Dec 2014 #115
My mother and I agree about most political topics. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #92
I agree with your point about the rich. MADem Dec 2014 #94
Obama is such a great guy. I really, really like him as a person. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #103
Teddy and Franklin weren't black. MADem Dec 2014 #108
You may be right in some respects, but most of us who criticize Obama do not hate him. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #109
He understands that "living to fight another day" is more important than blowing one's powder all MADem Dec 2014 #116
I thoroughly agree on these points: JDPriestly Dec 2014 #117
I absolutely LOVE a long history book, so long as it's good. MADem Dec 2014 #118
I have the book on Adams but haven't started it yet. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #119
The Adams is like a gourmet meal--delicious! MADem Dec 2014 #121
+1 nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #96
Was this a corporatist? longship Dec 2014 #134
Great speech--one of his finest. MADem Dec 2014 #144
A corporatist hated by The Corporatists, who vilified him to the point than many simply referred to. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #135
Hated by SOME corporatists--the Nazi Right Wing ones, certainly. MADem Dec 2014 #143
Until there is some form of mass Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #5
... RiverLover Dec 2014 #9
Warren was nurtured on the same New Deal Policies that most of my generation benefited from whathehell Dec 2014 #72
You'd probably have called him sell-out & rejected Social Security cause it didn't cover everybody KittyWampus Dec 2014 #6
Really? FDR fully explained his plans for SS AND he had a tendency to ACT FAST on sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #39
"I doubt eg FDR would be pushing the TPP ..." Who knows but he did push for lower tariffs, the IMF, pampango Dec 2014 #48
+ 1 zillion treestar Dec 2014 #95
Let's be clear, FDR was no saint, but he was the man for the times.. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #16
BINGO. Right on the money. MADem Dec 2014 #43
This was my real point. hifiguy Dec 2014 #68
The Democratic Party became a liberal party largely through the "New Deal" policies of FDR RiverLover Dec 2014 #21
+1 merrily Dec 2014 #127
You know who down plays and disparages FDR and hates liberals? Far right Republicans TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #25
"...probably more honest just to call the whole lot Republicans." RiverLover Dec 2014 #33
FDR called socialist by "conservative democrats"~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #26
Conservatives have tried to make liberal a dirty word, but there are those of us who have refused liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #111
FDR is the greatest President America has ever had. JaneyVee Dec 2014 #31
Thank You JaneyVee!!!!!!!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #32
Plus a bajillion! hifiguy Dec 2014 #69
Well some people hate anything that is to the left of Reagan. Rex Dec 2014 #84
I was raised by not FDR Democrats but Franklin and Eleanor Democrats.... Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #40
VERY good point! nt hifiguy Dec 2014 #70
Eleanor was the real "true" Democrat, probably the most "real" Democrat mountain grammy Dec 2014 #73
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #47
K & R L0oniX Dec 2014 #49
Thanks! Recommend. nt Zorra Dec 2014 #55
Obama said something similar early in his term Doctor_J Dec 2014 #61
Maybe he was talking about Social Security jhart3333 Dec 2014 #85
... Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #65
This speech came in the twelfth year of his Presidency. Progressive dog Dec 2014 #76
Can't wait to hear what the current President will tell us in HIS 12th year....! MADem Dec 2014 #80
Before that, he was too busy saving the US while fighting the SCOTUS, Congress, and Hitler and merrily Dec 2014 #130
So now speeches substitute Progressive dog Dec 2014 #174
From my post, you got speeches substitute for results? LOL! merrily Dec 2014 #175
Obama had very small majorities, compared to FDR's Progressive dog Dec 2014 #181
Yes, FDR got the SCOTUS to do what he wanted without packing it. That was the genius of it. merrily Dec 2014 #182
Why do you think FDR had cancer if you Progressive dog Dec 2014 #183
Boy, you really know how to zero in on the most relevant issue. merrily Dec 2014 #184
You made the cancer claim, not me Progressive dog Jan 2015 #186
Um, no merrily Jan 2015 #187
So it's not a cancer claim because you could have meant something else Progressive dog Jan 2015 #188
Whatever, dude. You don't like my replies, don't keep posting to me on a thread from Dec 5, 2014. merrily Jan 2015 #189
My reading comprehension is fine, Progressive dog Jan 2015 #190
Thank you for sharing this hifiguy. A second bill of rights. lovemydog Dec 2014 #77
Sure, in the 1930's. But we can't turn back time BootinUp Dec 2014 #79
LOL! The hard way, my ass. And "we" are not winning. We're losing. Worse than merrily Dec 2014 #131
"Fuck the corporatists and their enablers." Boy you sure pissed off some 'liberals' with those words Rex Dec 2014 #83
Indeed. hifiguy Dec 2014 #99
Sad and funny. Sad that they think our intelligence is that low to buy the BS. Rex Dec 2014 #123
Funny how that happens neverforget Dec 2014 #104
Well they pretended there was a purge, then they pretended everyone here wanted purity. Rex Dec 2014 #122
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #87
It would have, if so many leftists hadn't been banned or didn't give up. As it is, it's over 100. merrily Dec 2014 #128
For me, THIS is what a REAL DEMOCRAT sounds like... ScreamingMeemie Dec 2014 #88
I was a strong Dean supporter early on. hifiguy Dec 2014 #100
Yep. I still remember the gist of Katie Couric's intro to showing the clip at about 7 am merrily Dec 2014 #129
BFEE hates that guy. Octafish Dec 2014 #89
BFEE here, BFEE there, BFEE under the bed, BFEE in my head.... YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #155
Yes. Don't you know, the people who tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 had kids? Octafish Dec 2014 #160
Hear, hear. woo me with science Dec 2014 #97
... RiverLover Dec 2014 #105
More Quotes from this real/true/great PROGRESSIVE Democrat~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #120
Love to see the dude dressed in a tuxedo for the occasion of a radio address, hahaha! beerandjesus Dec 2014 #133
What a silly thread YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #156
For those who don't know why FDR was a Real Democrat... Octafish Dec 2014 #169
The Roosevelt Institute is the Real Deal. hifiguy Dec 2014 #172
It's a mystery known but to UBS. Octafish Dec 2014 #173
"Freedom from fear." woo me with science Dec 2014 #176
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #178
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #179
Unfortunately for us... 99Forever Dec 2014 #185
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