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WhaTHellsgoingonhere

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111. I LIKE this topic a lot!!!!
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:36 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sun Nov 30, 2014, 07:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Two come to mind

I. Freedom of Assembly, I feel like I've given it up to some extent

Hear me out. I have participated in protests here in Chicago, most recently with HCAN, with SEIU, with teacher unions, against NATO, against the banksters, against corporate tax dodgers. Have posted several pictures here. The NATO demonstration was exceptional, so I'll just talk about the others.

For each of the others, I was (1) unemployed, and (2) the demonstrations, with one exception, didn't inconvenience anyone. That exception being a march right into Wells Fargo bank in downtown Chicago and filling it up to it's gills with demonstrators holding signs. That was pretty cool But aside from that, we were invisible. The police told us where to march and we stayed out of everyone's way.

So what makes me feel like I've given up my right to assemble? Employment. I'm afraid of missing work. I'm afraid of getting arrested. For the most part, I've believed the demonstrations are too regulated to be effective. I just makes me feel like we've given up too much.


II. Right to Privacy

I want to use the phone, computer, credit cards, social media, etc.. I pretty much willfully and knowingly signed my life away. I assume using DU means we've all knowingly given up our privacy whether we like it or not.

None cantbeserious Nov 2014 #1
^ That many Socal31 Nov 2014 #2
Neither am I. marym625 Nov 2014 #3
I have noticed that people can be absolute.. Socal31 Nov 2014 #10
yep. marym625 Nov 2014 #15
Agreed. n/t meaculpa2011 Nov 2014 #59
The second. 99Forever Nov 2014 #4
Agree. FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #6
The 2A is not stopping strict gun control hack89 Nov 2014 #8
ok. That one is worthy of looking at throwing away. marym625 Nov 2014 #9
It was for armed citizens to Protect the government NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #11
But wasn't it to stop the Federal Government marym625 Nov 2014 #21
It was meant to not allow the government to prohibit arms for citizens. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #30
the ability to fight the federal government? safeinOhio Nov 2014 #44
Which was written long after marym625 Nov 2014 #48
Civilized, advanced societies all over the world... 99Forever Nov 2014 #23
Very true marym625 Nov 2014 #32
I understand Mary. 99Forever Nov 2014 #36
Thank you marym625 Nov 2014 #38
It wouldn't hurt to reword the 2A. The interpretation has been so perverted already world wide wally Nov 2014 #37
Most definitely. n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #40
I agree VScott Nov 2014 #76
I know we can do better than that. That is the way it is attempted to be interpreted now... world wide wally Nov 2014 #98
A lot of people get that part wrong. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #105
The 2A allows very strict regulation right now hack89 Dec 2014 #136
Actually... Taipan Nov 2014 #107
On that subject... Taipan Nov 2014 #106
Let me know how you... 99Forever Nov 2014 #116
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #143
A little too deep for you? 99Forever Dec 2014 #144
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #148
You're the one talking... 99Forever Dec 2014 #150
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #151
missed that marym625 Dec 2014 #166
Was a troll with 9 posts. 99Forever Dec 2014 #167
Have seen a bunch of those lately too. marym625 Dec 2014 #168
Yamamoto?....good military strategist I presume? Nt pkdu Nov 2014 #126
He was smart enough to know going to war with America was a colossal mistake hack89 Dec 2014 #137
Dec 7th mean anything to you? nt pkdu Dec 2014 #141
Pearl Harbor hack89 Dec 2014 #142
Yeah, GGJohn Dec 2014 #172
and yet, there he was, guiding the Imperial Navy till 4/1943. irisblue Dec 2014 #156
And in most of those countries, people are still able to own (some form of) firearms. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #165
Shitcan the 2nd mwrguy Nov 2014 #55
Also my preference, however... 99Forever Nov 2014 #60
None - Everything in the Bill of Rights is sacrosanct. Nt hack89 Nov 2014 #5
None, thank you. former9thward Nov 2014 #7
None. And those who do want to give some up deserve none as well. nt NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #12
Of course..... Socal31 Nov 2014 #13
yep. n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #25
I can't answer this question ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #14
So you are willing to throw out the 4th Amendment? marym625 Nov 2014 #16
Again, ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #18
Why be OK with either? marym625 Nov 2014 #24
Because I do not live in an abstract world ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #31
There is a reason for the saying marym625 Nov 2014 #33
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #67
If you trust, old guy Nov 2014 #74
Sometimes marym625 Nov 2014 #79
Safe from what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #19
While ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #27
But let's stow the dramatic 'if it would stop a bombing' rhetoric and look at the fact that the FBI Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #71
That'snot dramatic rhetoric ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #75
Shamefully authoritarian and fundamentally cowardly perspectives from my point of view. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #108
Well said marym625 Nov 2014 #109
I take no offense ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #118
No, I believe typing stuff on the Internet is expressing my thoughts, as to your reality TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #123
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #124
Yes, are you not the one that is more than happy to trade away your (and everyone else's) rights TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #134
From the time ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #138
In exchange for what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #17
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #22
I'm mostly against pistol usage. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #26
Wouldn't that be a dream come true marym625 Nov 2014 #28
Lots of folks are willing to give up the 2A ileus Nov 2014 #20
Thank you. marym625 Nov 2014 #29
Civil rights and civil liberties are two different things Major Nikon Nov 2014 #34
Very true. they are different things marym625 Nov 2014 #35
All civil liberties are regulated in certain ways Major Nikon Nov 2014 #45
That freedom of movement is taken by Due Process through the 5th Amendment. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #46
Exactly Major Nikon Nov 2014 #50
I don't tend to seperate them. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #52
The way I see it is that is the separation Major Nikon Nov 2014 #63
What you consider civil rights are also limited at times. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #73
That is true, but I'm not sure your example proves it Major Nikon Dec 2014 #131
I don't really understand your construct of which is which. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #110
Those two things don't always overlap Major Nikon Nov 2014 #114
The civil liberty in your example is the right to equal protection under the law TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #122
I can't think of any civil right that isn't an example of the right to equal protection Major Nikon Nov 2014 #125
EXACTLY! This is why we fight for civil rights (access) for all. Logic dictates it! TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #127
Civil liberties are and always have been up for debate and always should be Major Nikon Dec 2014 #129
Yes, yes but what are you saying is a right and what is a liberty? TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #133
Civil liberties are rights Major Nikon Dec 2014 #135
I don't know how I missed all this marym625 Dec 2014 #128
americans have demonstrated that they will give up any right in exchange for a promise of safety. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #39
yep. marym625 Nov 2014 #41
I, for one, welcome the increased power and control of our new authoritarian fascist overlords. Zorra Nov 2014 #42
Nope. no sarcasm thingy needed marym625 Nov 2014 #43
You forgot the sarcasm thingy... Glassunion Dec 2014 #145
Whichever rights Obama thinks I should give up. (sarcasm) Vattel Nov 2014 #47
Loving the sarcastic responses marym625 Nov 2014 #49
None-Why Not Discuss fredamae Nov 2014 #51
I'm game marym625 Nov 2014 #53
Well, the PTB only fredamae Nov 2014 #72
Well said. Thank you. n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #81
willing has nothing to do with it. If the PTB want them gone librechik Nov 2014 #54
It's because we allowed it marym625 Nov 2014 #56
They operate in more or less total secrecy librechik Nov 2014 #61
I truly don't know marym625 Nov 2014 #65
I have your rights right here easychoice Nov 2014 #57
I love this piece marym625 Nov 2014 #62
how do you define civil rights? treestar Nov 2014 #58
Excellent point marym625 Nov 2014 #64
few people have the resources to launch a legal fight against Uncle Sam easychoice Nov 2014 #69
True marym625 Nov 2014 #80
No one seems to have an answer,that is a bad thing. easychoice Nov 2014 #87
Just saw a sign marym625 Nov 2014 #89
I'm not sure that's true... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #96
None and I'm serious about it. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #66
The good news is rock Nov 2014 #68
True marym625 Nov 2014 #112
I wasn't disagreeing with you by the way rock Nov 2014 #119
I didn't think you were marym625 Nov 2014 #120
None. jwirr Nov 2014 #70
Absolutely none. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #77
I personally don't need a gun olddots Nov 2014 #78
Millions also don't see a reason to vote. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #83
Never had one. never will. marym625 Nov 2014 #84
Sorry you were put through such a horrible experience. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #86
Thank you. marym625 Nov 2014 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #82
You scared me marym625 Nov 2014 #85
None. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #90
Thanks for that marym625 Nov 2014 #91
None sarisataka Nov 2014 #92
oh, wouldn't that be nice! n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #93
They all should be kept, but sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #94
But it's a lovely wish! n/t marym625 Nov 2014 #95
I'm in the "None" grouping as with the other posters above. Taipan Nov 2014 #97
No need for sorry marym625 Nov 2014 #113
these are not simple questions Doctor_J Nov 2014 #99
though unrealistic, it would be the second - otherwise, keep the rest. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #100
How would the others be kept? Taipan Nov 2014 #101
It would require other massive changes which many wouldn't accept - which is why it is unrealistic. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2014 #102
I see. Taipan Nov 2014 #104
I think I have already given up my right to party, despite the fight to obtain it. logosoco Nov 2014 #103
Me too! marym625 Nov 2014 #115
I LIKE this topic a lot!!!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2014 #111
I understand. marym625 Nov 2014 #117
:) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2014 #121
3rd Amendment. I'm willing to quarter soldiers in my house if necessary. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #130
Well you might be willing to marym625 Dec 2014 #132
The USA should repeal the 2nd amendment. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #139
hmm. marym625 Dec 2014 #140
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #146
The government already has the power to strictly regulate the ownership of guns hack89 Dec 2014 #157
You speak of rights as if we have them Glassunion Dec 2014 #147
no. I know you are right marym625 Dec 2014 #153
If I absolutely HAD to choose..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2014 #149
interesting marym625 Dec 2014 #154
Zero. muntrv Dec 2014 #152
You're not alone. marym625 Dec 2014 #155
None! burrowowl Dec 2014 #158
I should count all the voters for none marym625 Dec 2014 #161
Yes Habeas Corpus burrowowl Dec 2014 #169
I agree marym625 Dec 2014 #174
The material question is: what are you willing to organize to accomplish? struggle4progress Dec 2014 #159
Love this kind of reply marym625 Dec 2014 #160
Not one, as one cannot give up a right. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #162
Not one! None! sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #163
You should not give up your civil rights! Then they win, never ever give up! akbacchus_BC Dec 2014 #164
Why would anyone be willing to give up any civil rights that their akbacchus_BC Dec 2014 #170
got me marym625 Dec 2014 #173
None.....it's why I bitch so much n/t bobGandolf Dec 2014 #171
Keep up the bitching! marym625 Dec 2014 #175
In 25 days i will be giving up many of them. I think I will survive. CBGLuthier Dec 2014 #176
What a sad statement marym625 Dec 2014 #177
Yes. I am an American citizen. CBGLuthier Dec 2014 #178
I don't blame you marym625 Dec 2014 #179
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