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In reply to the discussion: Fourth grade boys list things they don't like about being a boy... [View all]cyberswede
(26,117 posts)171. I'm referring to the children performing the exercise
The whole point of it is to come up with things to discuss, in the hope of challenging stereotypical gender roles.
I would never expect DUers to agree on anything.
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nonsense- we did the same exercise as kids 30 + years ago. Examining outdated gender roles and
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#8
Free to be You and Me was groundbreaking back 40 years ago (or more). Same exact idea.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#52
LOL, girls have 100X the hair pressure, and smelling- is a choice for all but a few. Men CAN be Moms
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#61
LOL, nope. this is all about dismantaling the damaging ideas they have, so THEY can dismiss them.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#66
it is a strawman, because hair is not inevitable, nor is smelling, loving football or ANYTHING on
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#74
you missed all the anger @ this down there? I don't know how you could, because it is there.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#82
LOL, it is good to know someone here remembers that! You'd think no one ever discussed these things
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#142
If you think the issues of living up to "Maleness!" have gone away in the last 40 years...
MNBrewer
Nov 2014
#156
kids should examinine wrong ideas about what it means to be male in our culture. they already HAVE
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#9
TY. Command + still only increases text and not images on my Mac. It never did and didn't now.
freshwest
Nov 2014
#116
Nope, it didn't do it that way either. I'm finding more and more I can't do. I'll see if the GOP
freshwest
Nov 2014
#124
to explore gender expectations- it is great they have them questioning these silly notions-
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#6
Nonsense, we did - we did-the same exercise as young girls. Kids already have these weird feelings
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#18
Again- it is not what they do not like about THEMSELVES. It is about the IDEAS of what a boy is....
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#29
"being a boy" - everything they listed were stupid stereotypes of what they hear a "boy is"
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#36
LOL, among a peer group- it is a fine question to explore. Cannot believe you think these little
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#45
who knew a little introspection was so damned threatening- and easily misunderstood, LOL!
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#62
you seem to think I was talking about you? I was not. As much as you seem to need to find bone to
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#79
It's still an intellectually dishonest tactic, whether or not you're addressing me.
Orrex
Nov 2014
#81
bullshit, you argued that hair and other things were biologically inevitable, and I laughed at THAT
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#92
Bullshit- inherant: existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#97
I hope they have Dads who teach them they can be "Moms" and hate football, if that is....
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#37
yup, that would be why I said CAN, not must. LOL. Emasculating to love and care for a baby? Hope
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#163
When I was in 4th grade, there was some sort of national campaign against violence in cartoons
Art_from_Ark
Nov 2014
#80
I totally believe it. half my friends are teachers. at that age, they are wild cards compared to
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#34
are you suggesting somehow these kids like all the stereotypes and they lied about it?
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#54
are you saying this guy hates boys and wanted them to hate themselves too? LOL. No.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#67
you could not be more wrong about the "self loathing" , so wrong that I can't help laughing at all
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#105
Around 5th grade is when both of my daughters started seriously responding to stereotypes
bhikkhu
Nov 2014
#55
that is exactly what I have heard from educator friends. the minute kids can talk they are very
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#57
not sure why it flew over so many head here. Did people think they were just going to list a bunch
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#19
Or they want children to be imprisoned by stereotypes? Just like Honey Boo Boo's mom,
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#43
Is it ok if a boy wants to like violence, smell bad, and grow hair everywhere?
The2ndWheel
Nov 2014
#25
this is actually a more thoughtful and understanding comment than most posts here, LOL....
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#31
If you believe that crap, do not blame women. blame yourself for not finding self-acceptance...
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#56
I'm suggesting if you live for the approval of your bros or women instead of yourself you are a fool
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#65
oh I realized the programming as a child. Never been one of those who "accept it" or fear being the
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#125
I was just talking with my daughter today about why being a girl is better, being a boy is harder.
Dont call me Shirley
Nov 2014
#46
Women who are strong are called a bitch. Women who challenge male dominated fields
Luminous Animal
Nov 2014
#83
Alas, I do. The beatings, the domination, the objectifying, the sexual blaming, the shaming...
Dont call me Shirley
Nov 2014
#90
While I don't agree one gender is better than the other, I agree with what you say here:
freshwest
Nov 2014
#147
They learn it at home, but they also learn it in the outside world. Heredity plays a part too.
Dont call me Shirley
Nov 2014
#161
Hey there TeeYiYi, did you have any idea the weird reaction this would get here?
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#70
well I would not call the angry biology= destiny thoughts expressed here anything but
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#86
what is really sad is that some believe that these boys are doomed to be smelly, football watching,
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#85
this also would not be happening if some here had their own "biology is destiny" crap dispelled long
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#94
oh- they think boys are inherently smelly and hairy, and its just that discussing it is fucked up!
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#123
Supposedly all of us on DU are adults and yet I see messages being taken the wrong way all the time
Fumesucker
Nov 2014
#168
If you're really curious, I actually posted a link to the original OP about this
justiceischeap
Nov 2014
#133
I think this is a great exercise *and* these particular responses seem coached
RedCappedBandit
Nov 2014
#134
only those ignorant of what happened think it is controversial. they covered good things too as
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#145
it's not a conclusion! Weird anyone would think that.....you should read the article
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#151
by your reasoning, no one should ever openly discuss their dislikes or fears for fear someone
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#162
Obviously you did not read the full story, as kids did not "level body centric criticisms" at each
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#165
I agree that the piece in the OP does not give ANY context, but since we pretty much covered
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#167
equally heartbreaking is the entirely predictable defensive outrage reaction here.
Warren Stupidity
Nov 2014
#146