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In reply to the discussion: Fourth grade boys list things they don't like about being a boy... [View all]LostInAnomie
(14,428 posts)63. I doubt that these answers weren't solicited...
... through leading questions. Nor, do I think this list is representative of what 4th graders think about being a boy.
This guy has an agenda. It looks like he essentially push polled a group of boys into giving him the answers he wanted and then cherry picked the ones that best represented his world view/would make the best presentation.
Would you trust a list made by an MRA group if they asked girls what they disliked about being a girl?
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nonsense- we did the same exercise as kids 30 + years ago. Examining outdated gender roles and
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#8
Free to be You and Me was groundbreaking back 40 years ago (or more). Same exact idea.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#52
LOL, girls have 100X the hair pressure, and smelling- is a choice for all but a few. Men CAN be Moms
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#61
LOL, nope. this is all about dismantaling the damaging ideas they have, so THEY can dismiss them.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#66
it is a strawman, because hair is not inevitable, nor is smelling, loving football or ANYTHING on
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#74
you missed all the anger @ this down there? I don't know how you could, because it is there.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#82
LOL, it is good to know someone here remembers that! You'd think no one ever discussed these things
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#142
If you think the issues of living up to "Maleness!" have gone away in the last 40 years...
MNBrewer
Nov 2014
#156
kids should examinine wrong ideas about what it means to be male in our culture. they already HAVE
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#9
TY. Command + still only increases text and not images on my Mac. It never did and didn't now.
freshwest
Nov 2014
#116
Nope, it didn't do it that way either. I'm finding more and more I can't do. I'll see if the GOP
freshwest
Nov 2014
#124
to explore gender expectations- it is great they have them questioning these silly notions-
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#6
Nonsense, we did - we did-the same exercise as young girls. Kids already have these weird feelings
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#18
Again- it is not what they do not like about THEMSELVES. It is about the IDEAS of what a boy is....
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#29
"being a boy" - everything they listed were stupid stereotypes of what they hear a "boy is"
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#36
LOL, among a peer group- it is a fine question to explore. Cannot believe you think these little
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#45
who knew a little introspection was so damned threatening- and easily misunderstood, LOL!
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#62
you seem to think I was talking about you? I was not. As much as you seem to need to find bone to
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#79
It's still an intellectually dishonest tactic, whether or not you're addressing me.
Orrex
Nov 2014
#81
bullshit, you argued that hair and other things were biologically inevitable, and I laughed at THAT
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#92
Bullshit- inherant: existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#97
I hope they have Dads who teach them they can be "Moms" and hate football, if that is....
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#37
yup, that would be why I said CAN, not must. LOL. Emasculating to love and care for a baby? Hope
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#163
When I was in 4th grade, there was some sort of national campaign against violence in cartoons
Art_from_Ark
Nov 2014
#80
I totally believe it. half my friends are teachers. at that age, they are wild cards compared to
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#34
are you suggesting somehow these kids like all the stereotypes and they lied about it?
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#54
are you saying this guy hates boys and wanted them to hate themselves too? LOL. No.
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#67
you could not be more wrong about the "self loathing" , so wrong that I can't help laughing at all
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#105
Around 5th grade is when both of my daughters started seriously responding to stereotypes
bhikkhu
Nov 2014
#55
that is exactly what I have heard from educator friends. the minute kids can talk they are very
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#57
not sure why it flew over so many head here. Did people think they were just going to list a bunch
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#19
Or they want children to be imprisoned by stereotypes? Just like Honey Boo Boo's mom,
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#43
Is it ok if a boy wants to like violence, smell bad, and grow hair everywhere?
The2ndWheel
Nov 2014
#25
this is actually a more thoughtful and understanding comment than most posts here, LOL....
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#31
If you believe that crap, do not blame women. blame yourself for not finding self-acceptance...
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#56
I'm suggesting if you live for the approval of your bros or women instead of yourself you are a fool
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#65
oh I realized the programming as a child. Never been one of those who "accept it" or fear being the
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#125
I was just talking with my daughter today about why being a girl is better, being a boy is harder.
Dont call me Shirley
Nov 2014
#46
Women who are strong are called a bitch. Women who challenge male dominated fields
Luminous Animal
Nov 2014
#83
Alas, I do. The beatings, the domination, the objectifying, the sexual blaming, the shaming...
Dont call me Shirley
Nov 2014
#90
While I don't agree one gender is better than the other, I agree with what you say here:
freshwest
Nov 2014
#147
They learn it at home, but they also learn it in the outside world. Heredity plays a part too.
Dont call me Shirley
Nov 2014
#161
Hey there TeeYiYi, did you have any idea the weird reaction this would get here?
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#70
well I would not call the angry biology= destiny thoughts expressed here anything but
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#86
what is really sad is that some believe that these boys are doomed to be smelly, football watching,
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#85
this also would not be happening if some here had their own "biology is destiny" crap dispelled long
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#94
oh- they think boys are inherently smelly and hairy, and its just that discussing it is fucked up!
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#123
Supposedly all of us on DU are adults and yet I see messages being taken the wrong way all the time
Fumesucker
Nov 2014
#168
If you're really curious, I actually posted a link to the original OP about this
justiceischeap
Nov 2014
#133
I think this is a great exercise *and* these particular responses seem coached
RedCappedBandit
Nov 2014
#134
only those ignorant of what happened think it is controversial. they covered good things too as
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#145
it's not a conclusion! Weird anyone would think that.....you should read the article
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#151
by your reasoning, no one should ever openly discuss their dislikes or fears for fear someone
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#162
Obviously you did not read the full story, as kids did not "level body centric criticisms" at each
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#165
I agree that the piece in the OP does not give ANY context, but since we pretty much covered
bettyellen
Nov 2014
#167
equally heartbreaking is the entirely predictable defensive outrage reaction here.
Warren Stupidity
Nov 2014
#146